Matrices List

[SiXXGuNNZ]

I have yet to find a master list of available matrices. So I compiled the ones I had on my pc into a list. Some may be named wrong and I know for sure there are alot more out there. Feel free to post matrices not listed and I or a mod can update the list.

edit: My matrices archive (http://tehru.org/sxgz/matrices/)

[Soulhunter]

Well, here (http://dl1.rapidshare.de/files/762319/118/Custom_Quant_Matrices.zip) is a zip with all matrices Ifound in my cqm folder... ;)


Bye

[Sharktooth]

Here's my list of matrices: http://www.aziendeassociate.com/CQMs.rar
There are some more matrices (including some betas and old revisions) and the ones SH missed :)

@SH: EQM V2 and EQM AutoGK Sharp are the same thing :P

[Soulhunter]

@ Sharktooth

Damn, thought I already deleted *all* duplicates n' outdated versions... >.<


@ SiXXGuNNZ

Wouldnt it be better to post download links instead of this "endless" list !?!

Maybe even grouping them "roughly" by usage...

- High bitrate

- Medium bitrate

- Low bitrate


Bye

[dragongodz]

I have yet to find a master list of available matrices.
so this is just a general matrix list and not "made for Xvid" list ? i would say yes since you have listed CCE and Tmpgenc matrices aswell. so wheres the QLB matrix ? :D ;)

Wouldnt it be better to post download links instead of this "endless" list !?!
you mean have a seperate txt for each matrix hosted somewhere so a person could click the link and see that matrix ? thats not a bad idea.

Maybe even grouping them "roughly" by usage...
and/or mpeg type origin (such as mpeg2(CCE etc), mpeg4(Xvid)) ?

[Soulhunter]

@ dragongodz

Actually I meant a direct download link like in my sign !!!

Btw, imo this "origin" info would be a useful addition...


Bye

[SiXXGuNNZ]

@soulhunter

I like the idea of labeling them for bitrate, for now I would like to try and get a complete list, since there are really no threads or sites with this info, I feel all will benefit from a master list so to speak.

@dragongodz

is this the QLB?

QLB

8, 16, 19, 22, 26, 27, 29, 34
16, 16, 22, 24, 27, 29, 34, 37
19, 22, 26, 27, 29, 34, 37, 39
22, 22, 26, 27, 29, 34, 38, 42
22, 26, 27, 29, 32, 36, 40, 50
26, 27, 29, 32, 36, 40, 50, 61
26, 27, 29, 35, 40, 50, 59, 73
27, 29, 35, 40, 50, 59, 73, 87

16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23
17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 25
18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 26
19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 26, 28
20, 21, 22, 23, 25, 26, 28, 29
21, 22, 23, 24, 26, 28, 29, 31
22, 23, 24, 26, 28, 29, 31, 32
23, 24, 25, 28, 29, 31, 32, 34

if so, it has been added :)

I also like your idea of a seperate text or even an xcm file, with the text files you can import them into cqme or read them with a text editor at least

I also dig the origin idea

[dragongodz]

is this the QLB?
yes, thanks. :)

with the text files you can import them into cqme or read them with a text editor
yes thats why i thought text files would be good. :D

[COREiP]

Which matrices works best for anime such as Inuyasha, Yu Yu Hakusho, DBZ ect. with bitrates from 1000-1500

[SiXXGuNNZ]

I gotta run my friend to the airport, so either late tonight or tommorrow I will go ahead and setup a directory with the matrices in text format, then I can just add new ones and or updates to the same folder.

[dragongodz]

well let me start the origins off with one.

QLB
----
. first seen in QuEnc(Mpeg 1/2 encoder)
. matrix designed by dragongodz


hows that ? :D

[SiXXGuNNZ]

Originally posted by dragongodz
well let me start the origins off with one.

QLB
----
. first seen in QuEnc(Mpeg 1/2 encoder)
. matrix designed by dragongodz


hows that ? :D archive is ready, currently 82 matrices :)

the info is still a good idea, but I can't add it to the text files for imports, it will screw that up, so I think I will maybe add an info file for each one eventually, for origin/creator/what is was intended for/etc

[dragongodz]

so I think I will maybe add an info file for each one eventually, for origin/creator/what is was intended for/etc
or even just a single text file listing all the known origins would be ok.

[Boulder]

Could anyone recommend a good intermediate between QLB (low bitrate) and 6of9 (high bitrate)? I do mainly MPEG2 but I've noticed that 6of9 looks very good at high bitrates even though it's designed for MPEG4 stuff. QLB excels at lower bitrates, and what I'm missing is something to use in between these two.

[Sharktooth]

QLB doesnt look such as a low bitrate matrix...

[Boulder]

When you compare it to 6of9, it is;)

[Didée]

@ Boulder

At times I use quickly-made mods of 6of9(HVS), like +2 to +4 in the upper-left, faded to +1 at the middle diagonal. That's for denoised input, just to adapt the matrix to achieve a lower bitrate.

For not-filtered input with noise, mods look more like +2 to +4 for the complete upper-left triangle, and the lower-right triangle raised linear to reach a value of "64" in the very last cell.
All of that for inter tables. Intra tables usually get a more constant offset.

I don't feel like posting "6of9_ultra-high", "6of9_high", "6of9_medium-high", "6of9_normal", "6of9_medium-low", "6of9_low", "6of9_very low", and "6of9_ultra-low" at all. ;)

[Boulder]

Thanks for the ideas, I'll test them the next time I need to hit that mid-range bitrate:)

[dragongodz]

QLB doesnt look such as a low bitrate matrix...
1. QLB stands for Quenc Lower Bitrate matrix.
2. it was designed for mpeg2, QuEnc specifically.
3. test it out at constant quant versus no custom matrix in QuEnc before saying it doesnt "look" like a lower bitrate matrix.

infact someone could try a constant quant encode with Xvid using h.263 and compare. that would be interesting to know aswell i guess.

[SiXXGuNNZ]

Originally posted by Didée
@ Boulder

At times I use quickly-made mods of 6of9(HVS), like +2 to +4 in the upper-left, faded to +1 at the middle diagonal. That's for denoised input, just to adapt the matrix to achieve a lower bitrate.

For not-filtered input with noise, mods look more like +2 to +4 for the complete upper-left triangle, and the lower-right triangle raised linear to reach a value of "64" in the very last cell.
All of that for inter tables. Intra tables usually get a more constant offset.

I don't feel like posting "6of9_ultra-high", "6of9_high", "6of9_medium-high", "6of9_normal", "6of9_medium-low", "6of9_low", "6of9_very low", and "6of9_ultra-low" at all. ;) if you ever change your mind I wouldn't mind adding them to the list ;)

[dragongodz]

the new official QLB matrix(1.2) is

INTRA
8 16 19 22 26 27 29 34
16 16 22 24 27 29 34 37
19 22 26 27 29 34 37 39
22 22 26 27 29 34 38 42
22 26 27 29 32 36 40 50
26 27 29 32 36 40 50 61
26 27 29 35 40 50 59 75
27 29 35 40 50 59 75 89

NON-INTRA
16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
17 18 19 20 21 22 23 25
18 19 20 21 22 23 24 26
19 20 21 22 23 24 26 28
20 21 22 23 25 26 28 29
21 22 23 24 26 28 29 31
22 23 24 26 28 29 31 34
23 24 25 28 29 31 34 38

some results compared to the old QLB(1.0) and a beta(1.1) can be found here
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91821
for those interested. :)

[SiXXGuNNZ]

Originally posted by dragongodz
the new official QLB matrix(1.2) is

INTRA
8 16 19 22 26 27 29 34
16 16 22 24 27 29 34 37
19 22 26 27 29 34 37 39
22 22 26 27 29 34 38 42
22 26 27 29 32 36 40 50
26 27 29 32 36 40 50 61
26 27 29 35 40 50 59 75
27 29 35 40 50 59 75 89

NON-INTRA
16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23
17 18 19 20 21 22 23 25
18 19 20 21 22 23 24 26
19 20 21 22 23 24 26 28
20 21 22 23 25 26 28 29
21 22 23 24 26 28 29 31
22 23 24 26 28 29 31 34
23 24 25 28 29 31 34 38

some results compared to the old QLB(1.0) and a beta(1.1) can be found here
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91821
for those interested. :) updated, thanks :)

[sigma_sigma]

Scuze me, how can I modify the matix? In my xvid1.1 configuration Edit Matrix button can't be pressed, it's grey....Thaks from Bucharest

[SiXXGuNNZ]

Originally posted by sigma_sigma
Scuze me, how can I modify the matix? In my xvid1.1 configuration Edit Matrix button can't be pressed, it's grey....Thaks from Bucharest select mpeg-custom from the drop down box

[sjchmura]

SO which of these is best (if there is a best) for HDTV content ( 720p, say 1GB/HR minimum bit rate???

[Sharktooth]

The low bitrate matrices are always recommended for HD, unless you choose an extremely high bitrate.

[Poutnik]

IMHO I would choose low/high bitrate matrix
according to intended BitsPerPixel ratio
and dominant scene type.
Static scenes, comedies, dramas, cartoons are more compresible than high detailed nature or sport with speed motion.

[rail grinder]

any suggestions on which one's to use for anime using hc 0.14 with the free version of dvd-rb?

i'm currently trying out the cce smooth (cg) matrix right now so i can make a comparison when it's all done in the morning. the next in line for me to try is the kika trickfilm high, soulhunter's v3 and y.a.c.q.m v2 if the results don't turn out that great.

[Teegedeck]

That is to be expected when you try using an MPEG-4 custom matrix to encode in MPEG-2, unfortunately.

[rail grinder]

That is to be expected when you try using an MPEG-4 custom matrix to encode in MPEG-2, unfortunately.aahhhhhhhh ... yah i was initially hesitant about asking my previous question because i wasn't entirely sure if using mpeg-4 matrices on an mpeg-2 encode was the right thing to do. nonetheless my encode looks rather decent with cce smooth (cg) :). maybe i'll try some of the other built in matrices of hc that i haven't used instead.

[PatchWorKs]

Uh, interesting 3ad... i've started to play with matrices a week ago, so i'm a bit confused by all those opportunities ! :scared:

My goal is to store 4 backups on 1 DVD (4.7/4 = 1,170 Gb), so is almost as have 2CD rip... Keep in mind that i _NEED_ 640 x * + 128Kb Vorbis/stereo, so: what matrix shall i use (for a 90 min. film) ?

Thanks in advice !