Skip auto play after a few menu loops

[SidDan]

Hi, I have tried searching on here already and found some posts but not a solution to my problem. there is probably a guide if you are kind to point me at it.

I am just trying to disable the autoplay when a movie only loops twice, kinda annoying and looking some way to do this using IFOedit

[jeanl]

If I'm understanding you correctly, you have a menu that loops, but goes into autoplay after a couple loops? It seems to me you should be able to modify this behavior with PgcEdit, although without all the info on the structure of the menu PGC I don't think we'll be able to help you.
If you open your DVD in PgcEdit, and find the PGC of the menu in question (use the preview to make it easy), right click and select PGC:Info. Then post back here.
The solution will probably simply require changing one of the cell commands or post commands in the pgc...
jeanl

[SidDan]

aha ok. so it isn't like changing a simple subtitle comand then.

Ok so I just looked at this menu title and it was a nasty way to put it. There is no loop at all, it is just a 1:31 min sequence.

I don´t really know how to change the loop settings since the whole sequence is 1:31 minutes long and the intro to the menu is 34 secs and firstly after that comes the real menu where you can use the remote rest of the time.

But pressing the menu button it does actually start at the real menu and not from the beginning of the sequence so I guess it would work setting the loop. The movie is Harry Potter 3 if you wonder...


***** pre commands:
[20 A4 00 0E 00 63 00 0A] 1 if (gprm(14) == 99 ) then { LinkPGCN PGC 10}
[20 B4 00 08 00 00 00 06] 2 if (gprm(8) !== 0 ) then { LinkPGCN PGC 6}
[00 B1 00 0A 00 00 00 06] 3 if (gprm(10) = 0 ) then { Goto line 6 }
[71 00 00 0A 00 01 00 00] 4 Set gprm(10) =(mov) 1
[20 06 00 00 00 00 04 01] 5 LinkPGN Program 1, button 1 (1024)
[20 06 00 00 00 00 04 03] 6 LinkPGN Program 3, button 1 (1024)
***** post commands:
[71 00 00 0A 00 01 00 00] 1 Set gprm(10) =(mov) 1
[20 04 00 00 00 00 00 08] 2 LinkPGCN PGC 8
***** cell commands:
[20 01 00 00 00 00 00 0D] 1 LinkTailPGC


that´s what it looks like on VTSM 1, LU 1 (en), 1

[jeanl]

no, maybe not as simple, but probably pretty straightforward. Once you learn how to do it with pgcedit, you won't be able to stop yourself! PgcEdit is a great tool for changing the way your DVD plays. You won't regret trying it.
jeanl

[SidDan]

accidentically hit submit before typing it all ... but going to bed now and thanks for the help, hope you can figure it out from that list :)

[jeanl]

I have that DVD (one of my tests for MenuShrink), I'll take a look.
jeanl

[blutach]

See that cell command? It takes you to the post commands and out to PGCN8 which gets you to the title.

I have looked at this.

What happens is there is 3 cells - as you say, an intro (34 secs), a menu (26 seconds) and then another version of the menu (29 seconds).

It is cell 3 (29 secs) which calls this cell command.

If you want it to loop back to the menu, you can change the cell command to LinkCN Cell 3 (Link cell 3 - or 2 if you like).

[20 07 00 00 00 00 00 03] 1 LinkCN Cell 3 Regards

[jeanl]

Thanks for looking into it blutach!
Jeanl

[blutach]

You know HP3 is my domain jean LOLOL

Regards

[jeanl]

boy oh boy, I know that menu structure as if I had authored it myself!
:D
jeanl

[blutach]

Very simple structure actually. Wish they were all that way.

Regards

[SidDan]

thanks for the reply Blutach. I have tried changing the cell command as you suggested but I cannot notice any difference. Still the movie will play after the menu is played to 1:31 minutes.

You were right tho, it is a very simple structure of a menu with only 3 cells and I also noticed when I go back to the menu or pressing the "title menu" in Power DVD player then it will jump to the menu at 1:01 minutes which is obviously the 3rd and last cell.

Any ideas what I might have done wrong or is there perhaps something else that needs to be changed aswell?

I simply double clicked that cell command in PGCedit and up came a new window. Went in By Type at the top menu and selected:
Link to > Cell > number (LinkCN) and then changed the last number into 2 and even tried number 3

nothing changed :/

[jeanl]

SidDan, the cell command is ignored if the cell is flagged as seamless playback. Check that the cell in question isn't flagged as seamless playback (it probably is). Then things will work fine.
jeanl
EDIT: mmm come to think of it, if there already was a cell command, I doubt that the cell would be flagged as seamless. But that's the only thing I can think of... :(

[SidDan]

ok great.. but .. hehe, how do I check if it is flagged at all ? :)
and what does it mean by "seamless playback" ?

[jeanl]

You double click on the PGC where the cell resides (the one that has the cell command). This will open a new panel with lots of info on the PGC, and the list of cells in that PGC (there should be 3 in your case, from what you say).
The cell playback flags are here:

http://img201.exs.cx/img201/1037/test3kn.png (http://www.imageshack.us)

if you double click on the buttons, you'll see the flags that affect each cell. make sure that seamless playback is off.
This means playback isn't meant to be seamless from the previous cell to this one (there can be a small pause).
jeanl

[blutach]

@siddan

Here's what you need from the actual HP3 (not M Drive jean LOLOL).

http://img195.exs.cx/img195/2723/hp314re.png (http://www.imageshack.us)

Note the cell command number in cell three - it is a 1. The other cell commands are 0s.


Now, for the main command editing screen.

http://img195.exs.cx/img195/2544/hp327vu.png (http://www.imageshack.us)

Note the cell command - this has replaced a LinkTail PGC.

I have tested this and it works.

Regards

[jeanl]

blutach: the cell is flagged as seamless joint! In my experience, that invalidates any cell command (at least with PowerDVD and my settop box). Are you sure that worked?! I'm really surprised... In any case, I think SidDan should reset the seamless joint flag... Don't you think?
jeanl

[blutach]

Man, that's the original - not a shrunk menu. It came as seamless. It leaves as seamless, as far as I am concerned. All I think siddan should do is change the cell command. Cell 2 has no cell command (nor is there VOBID change from cell 2 to cell 3) so I see no reason why cell 3 shouldn't be seamless. But I have little knowledge in this area.

Regards

[SidDan]

thanks.. great reply with an image and all :)

You were correct, it was flagged and everything. I removed the seamless playback and that did the job

[jeanl]

Well, this confirms what I've seen many times. The cell command is ignored if the cell is flagged as seamless (r0lZ pointed that out to me a while ago). Something to remember...
jeanl

[blutach]

Aaah, since it was just a link tail, I guess it is just one of those cell commands which are there "just in case". In the original, when cell 3 completes playing, without a button being selected, it would go to the post commands anyway, n'est pas?

Thanks to you and r0lZ for furthering my education!

Regards

[jeanl]

Yes! The cell command is useless, and was ignored by the player in the original!
jeanl

[SidDan]

hehe didn´t noticed you 2 had a convo over there.. but I guess jeanl was right about this flagging matter indeed

[blutach]

Sorry sid - apologies - didn't mean to hijack

Regards

[SidDan]

no worries. good to experiment and good for others to interact but now it works by removing the flags so no harm done at all :)

[SidDan]

humm, since we are well familiar with the same movie...
How do I simply jump over the language selection straight to the menu intro?

the warner bros is a 12 sec clip and then heads to the language screen. I thought a simple call to the menu title should do it but apparently not.

When looking at that language screen in pgc edit I can se lots of Jump to VMGM PGC 3 but I can´t have that option after the warner bros...

I would normally do this in IFOedit but would really like to learn the flexibility in PGCedit


suggestions?

[jeanl]

2 options:
- Use 2COOL's guide to bypass the language menu.
http://home.tiscali.be/debie.roland/pgcedit/third_party/2cool/remove_language_aspect_ratio_menus/remove_language_and_aspect_ratio_menus_intro.htm

- Use jeanl's guide (actually better, 2COOL's small app (http://home.tiscali.be/debie.roland/pgcedit/third_party/2cool/jump2pgc/Jump2Pgc%20Guide.htm) to go straight to the main menu.


Both use PgcEdit. Your pick.
jeanl

[2COOL]

Originally posted by SidDan
How do I simply jump over the language selection straight to the menu intro?

I would normally do this in IFOedit but would really like to learn the flexibility in PGCeditI hear someone just came out with a tool do that here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=89209). :D

[EDIT]@jeanl

You're lucky I paused to get me a coke!:p

[SidDan]

sorry, that was too complicated. I gave up after when one menu wasn´t selectable for me and got lost in the guide

[jeanl]

SidDan, try again. It's not that hard. Once you've done it once, you'll see that it's actually quite simple.
You can also try my guide (see signature)... Maybe it'll be more understandable ;)! But 2COOL proggie is really the way to do it (much less mouse action).
jeanl

[SidDan]

normally with other movies it is enough just to chose jump to first title or whatever but with this movie it won´t. And with these guides I am just lost, I can´t connect it to what I see on this particular movie. It might also be even a bit more complicated cus I want to keep the Warner Bros logo

[jeanl]

Originally posted by SidDan
normally with other movies it is enough just to chose jump to first title or whatever but with this movie it won´t.

That's more the exception than the rule! In most cases, something break when you do that, because some of the registers that the disc uses for playback (to remember this or that) are not set properly.
And with these guides I am just lost, I can´t connect it to what I see on this particular movie. It might also be even a bit more complicated cus I want to keep the Warner Bros logo
ahhh! It all depends on where the logo is! If it comes after the menu, then it should be preserved... Anyway, it you think it's too complicated, that's that! ;)
jeanl

[SidDan]

no that logo comes first right after the disc is inserted...

[jeanl]

well in that case it should be possible to bypass just the language menu. But anyway, 2COOL has a guide just for that, did you try it? Not the guide for jumping to the main menu, but the guide to bypass a specific langage/aspect ratio menu. It will leave your DVD playing exactly as usual, except the language menu will be skipped...
http://home.tiscali.be/debie.roland...menus_intro.htm

jeanl
EDIT: You might be able to do it in a simpler way, depending on what the language menu looks like. Why don't you post the PGC info on that PGC (the PGC with the menu you're trying to bypass)? It might be VERY simple to bypass it. 2COOL's guide may be overly complicated in your case, because it's meant to cover all bases. You might be able to get away with a much simpler solution...

[SidDan]

thanks I will post that.. but take the movie Starsky and Hutch for an example.. I just opened the first play PGC and edited the pre command where it was jumping to PGC3... I just simply replaced it to Jump to VMG title-menu instead. Now the menu starts first. Before there was a laguage menu, alot of trailers and then the menu.
All this was made with 4 clicks in IFOedit

Warner Bro logo, right after disc insertion (http://img207.exs.cx/img207/9299/hplogo7dn.jpg)

Language menu after Warner bro logo (http://img207.exs.cx/img207/6576/hplan5rj.jpg)

Would be the easiest to know where exactly it goes to after selecting a language and put that redirection on that Warner Bro PGC instead

[jeanl]

yes it would be easiest, and you might be able to, but like I said, it won't work in every case. Also, the language menu most likely sets a register (a GPRM) to remember which language to use (in the movie? in the menus?). So, if you bypass the language menu, you'll have to set this register manually (not a big deal, but I'm just explaining to you that bypassing the menu might not be enough).

BUT! You can try, with Pgcedit and its nifty trace function, this will tell you exactly where the DVD goes after the language.
Open the DVD in PgcEdit and enable the trace function (Trace menu: trace mode). This opens a new panel at the bottom. Click on ->Step, and you'll be executing the commands a real DVD player would be executing when the DVD is popped into it. Click repeatedly until you get to the menu (or click "Run"). When you get to the menu (the language menu), a panel showing the menu buttons will pop up. That's where everything happens. You can look at the command connected to the language button you'd like to use, this might tell you which register gets set, if any. You can then select the button to push and click "select and Break". Then step step step and this will take you where the DVD goes after the menu.

Like I said, you might be able to set the register and then jump to where you go after the menu, and you might not if you're not lucky...

jeanl

[SidDan]

It seems to want to jump to title 6 (JumpTT) Jump to title 6 after the language menu to the English language, which I already knew tho. Wouldn´t it just require to edit the last row on the logo PGC into jumping to the 6th title?
.... won´t work tho

[2COOL]

According to what I read, this is the navigation flow of your DVD?

Logo > Language Selection Menu > Menu Intro > Main menu

And this was your goal

How do I simply jump over the language selection straight to the menu intro?

So, you're saying that using Jump2Pgc to your Menu Intro doesn't work? What's Title 6 about?

[jeanl]

2COOL I think he's saying he's getting lost in our guides!
:(
jeanl

[2COOL]

Originally posted by jeanl
2COOL I think he's saying he's getting lost in our guides!
:( It's not that difficult. Even Surf could get it work! :p

[EDIT]Oh well, some newbies to the guide just need a little extra help. I'll gladly provide any guidance. :)

http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5784/holdhandsgif1jg.jpg

[jeanl]

my turn to be OT, is this your kid 2COOL?
Jeanl

[2COOL]

No. I was just looking for a good image representation of a baby (newbie) needing guidance.

[SidDan]

ok,, I have followed that jump2pgc program guide now to the end and I have a question on step 5 A)
On which button should I click on? there are 2, one for First Play PGC and other for Title 1.
Clicking first on First Play PGC and then paste it in the first Play PGC in PGCedit it will then paste in 2 lines. And with the other button it will then paste in 15 lines where 2 are marked red

None of those options will work. The first will play as usual and the second is faulty

But should I really paste them in the First-Play PGC? cus there is this original line where it will jump to title 2 for playing the Warner Bros logo

[2COOL]

Originally posted by SidDan
ok,, I have followed that jump2pgc program guide now to the end and I have a question on step 5 A)
On which button should I click on? there are 2, one for First Play PGC and other for Title 1.Since you are jumping to a Title, you should have those 2 "Copy to Clipboard" buttons enabled. It dodesn't matter which one you work on first. Just as long as you
select the Pre command label and do a Ctrl + Shift + V to perform a paste after. You are required to insert new commands for both First Play PGC and Title 1 here.

Clicking first on First Play PGC and then paste it in the first Play PGC in PGCedit it will then paste in 2 lines. OK
And with the other button it will then paste in 15 lines where 2 are marked redCan you select all your precommands, after pasting in, and do a right-click & Copy as Text. Paste in your next post. Tell me which commands are erroring out.

If possible, I would like to see a snapshot of your Jump2Pgc project after importing.

[SidDan]

ahh sorry,, that was the previous problem...

But after doing the steps the disc will autoplay to the Movie after insertion....

on those 2 lines I pasted in in First-play PGC it will jump to Title 1 and just begins to play the movie.
I have pasted the second clipboard (Title 1) inside title 1 pgc aswell

[2COOL]

Originally posted by SidDan
But after doing the steps the disc will autoplay to the Movie after insertion.... :)

[SidDan]

lol.. but that was not my intention.. I could easily do it otherwise.

I would like to play the original Warner Bro logo and then after that will the menu load up without the Language selection screen in the middle.

Silly it is so complicated to jump to the menu after the logo when it is so easy to jump to the menu after disc insertion

[Surf]

"It's not that difficult. Even Surf could get it work!" <<<HEY!! :D

SidDan, I have read your last post numerous time and I'm guessing that you want:

insert>>skip blah blah blah>>Warner Logo>>Menu ???

If that is your choice then you just alter 2COOL's guide a leetle teensy bit. Make Warner logo as your target...hm?

Personally I would opt for the THX clip instead, anyday! :D

Now all my kids' dvds start with a deafening THX to draw their attention and then movie.:p

[blutach]

@siddan

The easiest way I have found to do this is in PgcEdit. Find what menubutton corresponds to your language (ctrl-M brings up the menu). Assume for this example, it is 3. Multiply that by 1024 (=3072)

Now, look carefully at your post commands and button commands. Most likely, somewhere there will be a GPRM that is divided by 1024. It will say set gprm(##) = sprm (8:Highlighted button number) then be followed by a dividing of that register by 1024. Edit the line that says sprm(8) to substitute the number you calculated.


For example:

set gprm(0) = (mov) sprm (8:Highlighted button number) becomes

set gprm (0) = (mov) 3072

Then simply kill playback. Ignore PgcEdit's warnings about buttons being present. You are, after all automatically selecting a menubutton. Say yes to eliminating the cell so IfoEdit can strip it.

Works every time. I do this all the time when a movie title takes me to a menu that I don't want to be in (eg Special Features) after playing the flick.


Note: If there are no post commands and the menu buttons take you directly to another PGC, simply find the corresponding command to your menu button and copy it as the last precommand in the PGC.

Regards

[jeanl]

I concur with blutach! It should really be that simple. If you post the info on that menu PGC, we might be able to spot what needs to be changed for you.
jeanl