Chapter point question

[trigger638]

I currently have a very special situation. Without going into the exact layout of the title, I will just go over what I am trying to accomplish.

I have a title set in which I need exact cell times to create scenes in scenarist. I do not intend to use scenaid, instead I am going to manually reconstruct in scenarist. I do intend to use DoitFast4U and batchccews to get my assets. I have 2 questions.

1. How can I get a chapter list that includes all the cells in a format that I can use for batchccews? Please specify if the method you suggest would require the Convert Chapters to Film option on batchccews.

2. How can I get a chapter list that includes all the cells in a format that I can import into scenarist?

I admit that I am getting confused between drop frame and non-drop frame. Please keep in mind that the scene breaks must exactly match the original cell times in the title after everything is put back togather.

After reading this over, more detail is required. There are 2 pgc's, and this title is seamlessly branched. Pgc 1 contains cells 1 through 32 in order. The deleted scenes and alternate ending are cells at the end of the video stream so cells 33-37 contain a couple of deleted scenes and the alternate ending. So pgc 2 is a hacked up mess as they added the deleted scenes back into the film. For example the only place cell 33 exists is in pgc 2 between cells 18 and 19. As you can see this complicates matters.

Thanks in advance.

[jel]

hey trigger,

not exactly the answer you were looking for (maybe), but you could always use Scenaid to create you ccedata.txt file which will include accurate chapter locations, which can be loaded into BatchCCE/BatchEncode.

afaik, you can also use BatchIfoUpdate to save out a chapter list which you can then manually import into BatchXX.

sorry, cant really help you with the NTSC questions ... i live happily in ignorance in PAL land :D

rock on
j

edit: hmmm ... just read your edit - might be a good idea if you post an overview of your ifo for this vts. btw are you demuxing via pgc, vobid or cell?

[trigger638]

Yes I should have thought of posting those things. Im demuxing by vob id. Demuxing by pgc does me no good as you will see from the ifo brief below. Now as you might be thinking, why dont you just demux by cell and use the cell assets to reconstruct? Well I tried that, I got a ton of uneven number of fields errors in scenarist. I fixed them all by shortening the cell playback time one frame at a time until it accepted it. Although there were no cells that required more than a 3 frame chop, when I compiled the project my settop player was pausing after each cell. I know it was not a seamless/non-seamless problem because even the cells that were originally seamless were doing it. Don't know exactly what is going on with that other than to say that I have seen the same thing with other titles and it seems to be pretty consistent.

Unfortunatly scenaid crashes when processing the asset folder. With the complexity of this title, I am not surprised. Actually it took me a little while of looking at the material to figure out what the hell they had done (why they did it this way is beyond me).

here is some better info:

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PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1]
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1]
[Cell 02] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 03] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 04] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 05] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 06] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 07] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 08] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 09] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 10] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 11] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 12] [V/C Id: 2/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 13] [V/C Id: 2/ 2] :
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 14] [V/C Id: 2/ 3]
[Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 15] [V/C Id: 2/ 4]
[Ch 04] [Pg 04] [Cell 16] [V/C Id: 2/ 5]
[Ch 05] [Pg 05] [Cell 17] [V/C Id: 2/ 6]
[Ch 06] [Pg 06] [Cell 18] [V/C Id: 2/ 7]
[Ch 07] [Pg 07] [Cell 19] [V/C Id: 2/ 8]
[Ch 08] [Pg 08] [Cell 20] [V/C Id: 2/ 9]
[Ch 09] [Pg 09] [Cell 21] [V/C Id: 2/10]
[Ch 10] [Pg 10] [Cell 22] [V/C Id: 2/11]
[Ch 11] [Pg 11] [Cell 23] [V/C Id: 2/12]
[Ch 12] [Pg 12] [Cell 24] [V/C Id: 2/13]
[Ch 13] [Pg 13] [Cell 25] [V/C Id: 2/14]
[Ch 14] [Pg 14] [Cell 26] [V/C Id: 2/15]
[Ch 15] [Pg 15] [Cell 27] [V/C Id: 2/16]
[Ch 16] [Pg 16] [Cell 28] [V/C Id: 2/17]
[Ch 17] [Pg 17] [Cell 29] [V/C Id: 2/18]
[Ch 18] [Pg 18] [Cell 30] [V/C Id: 2/19]
[Ch 19] [Pg 19] [Cell 31] [V/C Id: 2/20]
[Ch 20] [Pg 20] [Cell 32] [V/C Id: 2/21]
[Ch 21] [Pg 21] [Cell 33] [V/C Id: 2/22]
[Ch 22] [Pg 22] [Cell 34] [V/C Id: 2/23]
[Cell 35] [V/C Id: 2/24]
[Ch 23] [Pg 23] [Cell 36] [V/C Id: 2/25]
[Ch 24] [Pg 24] [Cell 37] [V/C Id: 2/26]
[Ch 25] [Pg 25] [Cell 38] [V/C Id: 2/27]
[Ch 26] [Pg 26] [Cell 39] [V/C Id: 2/28] Layer Br.:
[Cell 40] [V/C Id: 2/29]
[Ch 27] [Pg 27] [Cell 41] [V/C Id: 2/30]
[Ch 28] [Pg 28] [Cell 42] [V/C Id: 2/31]
[Cell 43] [V/C Id: 2/32]

PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2]
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1]
[Cell 02] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 03] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 04] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 05] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 06] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 07] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 08] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 09] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 10] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 11] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 12] [V/C Id: 2/ 1] Layer Br.:
[Cell 13] [V/C Id: 2/ 2]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 14] [V/C Id: 2/ 3]
[Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 15] [V/C Id: 2/ 4]
[Ch 04] [Pg 04] [Cell 16] [V/C Id: 2/ 5]
[Ch 05] [Pg 05] [Cell 17] [V/C Id: 2/ 6]
[Ch 06] [Pg 06] [Cell 18] [V/C Id: 2/ 7]
[Ch 07] [Pg 07] [Cell 19] [V/C Id: 2/ 8]
[Ch 08] [Pg 08] [Cell 20] [V/C Id: 2/ 9]
[Ch 09] [Pg 09] [Cell 21] [V/C Id: 2/10]
[Ch 10] [Pg 10] [Cell 22] [V/C Id: 2/11]
[Ch 11] [Pg 11] [Cell 23] [V/C Id: 2/12]
[Ch 12] [Pg 12] [Cell 24] [V/C Id: 2/13]
[Ch 13] [Pg 13] [Cell 25] [V/C Id: 2/14]
[Ch 14] [Pg 14] [Cell 26] [V/C Id: 2/15]
[Ch 15] [Pg 15] [Cell 27] [V/C Id: 2/16]
[Ch 16] [Pg 16] [Cell 28] [V/C Id: 2/17]
[Ch 17] [Pg 17] [Cell 29] [V/C Id: 2/18]
[Cell 30] [V/C Id: 2/33] Layer Br.:
[Ch 18] [Pg 18] [Cell 31] [V/C Id: 2/19] Layer Br.:
[Ch 19] [Pg 19] [Cell 32] [V/C Id: 2/20]
[Ch 20] [Pg 20] [Cell 33] [V/C Id: 2/21]
[Ch 21] [Pg 21] [Cell 34] [V/C Id: 2/22]
[Ch 22] [Pg 22] [Cell 35] [V/C Id: 2/23]
[Cell 36] [V/C Id: 2/34] Layer Br.:
[Ch 23] [Pg 23] [Cell 37] [V/C Id: 2/25] Layer Br.:
[Ch 24] [Pg 24] [Cell 38] [V/C Id: 2/26] :
[Ch 25] [Pg 25] [Cell 39] [V/C Id: 2/27] :
[Ch 26] [Pg 26] [Cell 40] [V/C Id: 2/28] Layer Br.:
[Cell 41] [V/C Id: 2/35] Layer Br.:
[Ch 27] [Pg 27] [Cell 42] [V/C Id: 2/36]
[Ch 28] [Pg 28] [Cell 43] [V/C Id: 2/37]
[Cell 44] [V/C Id: 2/32] Layer Br.:


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Vobid 1 is of no real interest, its basically a repeted blank. I just use a dummy in place of 1/1 in the same layout as the original. Pgc 1 pretty normal no big surprises. Pgc 2 is like nothing I have ever seen before. Out of sequence cells that do not exsist anywhere except the out of sequence location. Meaning that the time info is not really available in realationship to the video stream. Cell 24 for example is not present in pgc 2 only in 1, it has been replaced by cell 34.

I think this can be done. The thought I had was use the cell time info from pgc 1 for the first 32 cells. Then I would have to manually calculate the cell times for cells 33-37 using the data in pgc 2 for reference and add them to the chapter files. After I had correct chapter files for both the cce process and scenarist, it would fly. Of course I would still be dealing with non-seamless playback pause limitation in scenarist when playing pgc 2, but I can live with that.

As you can see by the layout, exact scene times is a must due to the fact that the deleted scenes and alternate endings are basically video clips after the end of the credits for the theatrical version.

I have major confusion when it comes to drop and non-drop frame and how that effects scene times. Because cce requires a 23.976 frames per second input and scenaid requires a 29.970 frames per second input with the drop frame file type set, it seems to me that the scene times for the import into batchccews would have different times than the scene times required for scenarist. But again I dont understand it.

Any clearification or information on how to accoplish this task would be greatly appriciated, if for nothing else but to understand it. Of course I am open to an alternitive approch if you know of one.

Thanks in advance.

[Zeul]

all times in the ifo are based off 30fps(ie it inc drop) or 25fps. The time displayed is the ACTUAL time of the cell. So to get the precise location of the scenes, obtain the frame count of each cell / 30 and that is the time in seconds. Some arithmatic for conversion to mins is then needed. eg you have 1000 frames @ 30fps (NTSC) = 33.3333..s
, and the fractional is 30 * .3333333 = 10, so time = 00:00:33:10. That is the figure you would put into scenarist.