Best one-click program after DVD Shrink? [Archive]

jwo62

15th February 2005, 21:07

Originally posted by glassvial
DVD Shrink can't backup some of the discs I have (the green bar goes over into the red no matter what I do...) so I was just curious if anyone had an opinion of what the next best thing is to use, clonedvd2, dvd2one, etc? Thanks.

That is exactly what happens for me with dvd shrink.

from my expierience the very best one click program is DVD95Copy. you can easily remove title sets,full disk or movie only,it rips,process's and burns. you can also download a free trial. It also handles the arccos protected discs with ease. support is gret,when an update is needed,it is prompt! dvd95copy was the first all in one program to handle the arccos protection. they also have their own dedicated forum.

http://www.dvd95copy.com/

I am also a big fan of dvd2one,if you like to do movie only and want it fast,this is the program for you. it does most movies,full disc or movie only, in about 15 min. and the quality is as good as dvd shrink or dvd95copy. it also has the best join feature available. what it doesnt let you do is remove title sets in full disc mode,and it doesnt rip or burn. but dvdd is free and you probably have a burning program already anyway. support is also great with dvd2ones dedicated forum.

http://www.dvd2one.com/

the only program i advise against is IC. support stinks!

owning both dvd95copy and dvd2one (as well as IC),I rarely use dvdshrink. its a great freeware program,but dvd95copy is much more reliable and easy to use.

Jim

glassvial

15th February 2005, 21:23

Thanks for the replies. I'll try shrinking twice first.

Looks like good old shrink is all but dead (?) no updates in over 6 months, a message in the forum that after shrink 3.1 there would be no further development (yet 3.2 was released??) the fact that shrink is becoming obsolete *real* quick in its ability to handle (or lack thereof) an increasing amount of discs, and so on. Time to start moving on to a program that's keeping up with the times when I need quickie backups done and don't have 14 hours to blow using DVD-RB.

I'll give DVD95Copy a look after testing this "shrink twice" experiment.

Oh and the disc I did with CloneDVD2 that Shrink wouldn't handle came out pretty poorly, so I'll steer clear of that one.

fewtch

15th February 2005, 21:39

Originally posted by glassvial
Thanks for the replies. I'll try shrinking twice first.

Looks like good old shrink is all but dead (?) no updates in over 6 months, a message in the forum that after shrink 3.1 there would be no further development (yet 3.2 was released??)
I wouldn't automatically assume this... it's *really* common for program updates to be suspended for awhile toward the end of summer (people get busy with other stuff) and resume again the following spring or summer. Not sure tho, but hope you're wrong about DVDShrink.

nwg

15th February 2005, 21:40

DVD Shrink is far from dead. It just needs a little help for a few DVD's with added protection. Use DVD43/DVD Decrypter with Shrink and you will rip any DVD including those with ARcoSS.

Shrink 3.2 came out to fix some bugs that 3.1 had.

glassvial

15th February 2005, 21:49

Originally posted by nwg
DVD Shrink is far from dead. It just needs a little help for a few DVD's with added protection. Use DVD43/DVD Decrypter with Shrink and you will rip any DVD including those with ARcoSS.

Shrink 3.2 came out to fix some bugs that 3.1 had.
And added AEC :) But I think it's safe to say sooner or later it'll be time to retire good old shrink.

nwg

15th February 2005, 21:52

Originally posted by glassvial
And added AEC :) But I think it's safe to say sooner or later it'll be time to retire good old shrink.

Plus the ISO image function. I will never get rid of shrink just because it can't handle a few DVD's on its own.

I still use v1.03/v3.0 occasionally.

blutach

16th February 2005, 03:38

DVDShrink (the person) has recently stated that it is his intention to fix the bugs in the prog but there won't be a new version. (I suppose this is what Nero Recode is all about)

He will continue to rely on DVD Decrypter to rip ARccOS and other new stuff.

I doubt it is dying. Used in conjunction with PgcEdit and VobBlanker, DVD Shrink still does a mighty fine job - IMHO.

Regards

rpboy

16th February 2005, 03:48

Originally posted by glassvial
DVD Shrink can't backup some of the discs I have (the green bar goes over into the red no matter what I do...) so I was just curious if anyone had an opinion of what the next best thing is to use, clonedvd2, dvd2one, etc? Thanks.
That might be a good candidate to split to two disks then. I've found that if DVD Shrink doesn't think it can go any lower and its still too big for a single DVDR disc, then the quality is going to be pretty bad trying to get it to fit.

I'd rather just split to two discs and have much better quality. If I wanted a VCD, I'd get one. ;)

fewtch

16th February 2005, 04:04

Originally posted by blutach
[color=blue]DVDShrink (the person) has recently stated that it is his intention to fix the bugs in the prog but there won't be a new version. (I suppose this is what Nero Recode is all about)
Latest version I have of Nero Recode is 2.1.1.20. Aside from AVC support, is the latest version much of an improvement (in terms of DVD reauthoring) -- or better said, is it an improvement on DVDShrink? If so, I'll buy it.

blutach

16th February 2005, 05:05

I wouldn't buy it. It does have a nifty "merge titles" feature, but that's about it.

DVD Shrink still does the job as far as I am concerned.

Regards

glassvial

16th February 2005, 05:39

Originally posted by rpboy
That might be a good candidate to split to two disks then. I've found that if DVD Shrink doesn't think it can go any lower and its still too big for a single DVDR disc, then the quality is going to be pretty bad trying to get it to fit.

I'd rather just split to two discs and have much better quality. If I wanted a VCD, I'd get one. ;)
I can appreciate your thoughts on that, however I can't justify using multiple discs for the material I'm backing up :)

MSlv

16th February 2005, 18:58

Does DVD95Copy offer manual compression of menus and extras to provide more space for the movie, like DVD Shrink? Or does it allow you to choose which audio and subs you want to keep or not?

glassvial

16th February 2005, 22:54

Well running shrink twice appears to be working, first run took over 5 hours (yikes, my backups usually only take 2 hours or less) the second run is going right now. I'll post back with how it turns out.

nwg

16th February 2005, 22:58

It will always take longer when using AEC quality setting. Max Smooth is the slowest.

glassvial

16th February 2005, 22:59

I'm saying my backups are usually under 2 hours even with AEC, I usually use the default sharp, seems decent to me.

jwo62

17th February 2005, 15:56

Originally posted by MSlv
Does DVD95Copy offer manual compression of menus and extras to provide more space for the movie, like DVD Shrink? Or does it allow you to choose which audio and subs you want to keep or not?

YES to all.:D
free trial
http://www.dvd95copy.com/dl/Dvd95Copy_Demo_v212.exe

jwo62

17th February 2005, 15:59

Originally posted by blutach
I wouldn't buy it.

Regards

Hi Blutach,

is there any program you would buy?

glassvial

18th February 2005, 22:49

Well the "run shrink twice" idea was good, but it's still not working for this disc I'm messing with. I've now run shrink on it 3 times and it's still over the red line :mad: I doubt running it a 4th time is going to get it down into the green, so I'm giving up on shrink as far as this disc is concerned and now I'm back to my original posted question. I'm trying DVD2One now, maybe I'll try DVD95Copy after that.

glassvial

19th February 2005, 03:19

The backup done with DVD2One looks horrible, just as bad as clonedvd2 was, if not worse.

fewtch

19th February 2005, 03:28

If it's just too big to shrink with decent quality, and you're unwilling to split to 2 DVD's, there's no solution. Maybe buy a writable dual-layer DVD, if your burner can support them.

jwo62

19th February 2005, 05:18

Originally posted by glassvial
The backup done with DVD2One looks horrible, just as bad as clonedvd2 was, if not worse.

just out of curiosity,what title did you backup? just exactly how long is it,two aspect ratios? what kind of tv are you watching your backups on?

The only time I get a bad copy with dvd2one is when its a title with two aspect ratios. also,I only use the variable mode,its a night and day difference from constant mode. I dont have any use for constant mode,dont know why they have it.

one of the reasons I prefer dvd95copy is the way it handles titles with two aspect ratios,it lets you remove the title set you dont want and still keep the menu and/or whatever else you want,which greatly improves the backup quality. Also dvd95copy lets you manually set the compression for every title,menu and extras.

One advantage to dvd2one is that,with the latest update,the program accepts arccos protected files that were ripped with dvddecryptor,dvd95copy needs to use its built in ripper(which is slower than DVDD) to process these files and I hear that clone dvd needs anydvd to do arccos discs. I havnt tried arccos files with shrink yet,but I think you need to use other programs (like vobblank?)to do arccos discs. havnt heard anything about nero recode and arccos.

I agree with you about not wanting to backup to two discs,I would just rather not backup in that case,and dual layer media is too expensive.

the absloute best dvd backup program is CCE,but thats to much money for me.

From reading others posts,it seems that not everyone using dvdshrink has the problem with the green bar being in the red all the time,I dont know why I and a few others do.

Jim

dragongodz

19th February 2005, 05:50

just out of curiosity,what title did you backup? just exactly how long is it,two aspect ratios?
i second that question and add ,does it have a PCM audio track or are you keeping a lot of audio tracks etc ?

you can also try DVD-Rebuilder of course but really it depends on what this dvd contains and what you are keeping as to whether its worth trying to go 1 dvd or having to go to 2 dvds.

jwo62

20th February 2005, 03:59

Originally posted by dragongodz
i second that question and add ,does it have a PCM audio track or are you keeping a lot of audio tracks etc ?

you can also try DVD-Rebuilder of course but really it depends on what this dvd contains and what you are keeping as to whether its worth trying to go 1 dvd or having to go to 2 dvds.

and doesnt dvd rebuilder use CCE? I havnt had the patience to try this new program YET,but if it uses cce,the quality should be great.

nwg

20th February 2005, 04:02

Originally posted by jwo62
and doesnt dvd rebuilder use CCE? I havnt had the patience to try this new program YET,but if it uses cce,the quality should be great.

It can also use Procoder as well a freeware encoder called Quenc.

glassvial

20th February 2005, 07:30

Ok I'll try to answer all the questions in one post here.

The attempted backup is bargain bin material called "War Classics" volumes 1 and 2 with 4 movies on each disc. There's only 1 audio track for the whole lot so there's nothing to remove. I do have a dual-layer capable drive but the discs are indeed still too expensive at this time. I've used DVD-RB and CCE to backup a similar bargain bin disc set (some "great american western" thing, 4 B&W movies per disc, 2 discs) and it too came out horribly.

I think now that dvd-5 media is getting cheaper I may just split the discs up, 4 discs for 8 movies instead of attempting to cram 8 movies onto 2 discs. Nothing else seems to be giving any decent quality and I'm sure this old stuff wasn't the best quality to begin with.

dragongodz

20th February 2005, 08:24

with 4 movies on each disc.
holy sheep sh*t. no wonder you are having problems getting it compressed down further and any compression looks bad. you realise that they would already be a very low bitrate to start with ? if they average 90 minutes per movie that would mean 6 hours per dvd. so sorry but you are dreaming if you expect to maintain any sort of quality trying to get them to a single dvd5. the only hope you would have is to rip and re-encode at half D1 dimension(effectivly halving the bitrate required for re-encoding) or split to 2 dvd5.

I'm sure this old stuff wasn't the best quality to begin with.
and your surprised ? old movies compressed to very low bitrate, of course they would not be the best quality.

you should have said what the material was to start with and saved us wondering what was wrong.

glassvial

21st February 2005, 05:48

Well hey, in my defense these aren't my discs, my friend is the one who hits the bargain bins not me ;) He turned this task over to me because DVD Shrink wasn't doing the job.

I know the stuff was pretty low bitrate to begin with and I guess I was hoping to get it down to 1 disc each with keeping it at "watchable" quality (they didn't look that great in the first place) but that's obviously not going to happen. I've never tried a half D1 encode, but I have a feeling the results would probably be just as bad.

PS. The other reason I asked about another alternative to Srhink is because Shrink goes into the red on other discs too, not just this bargain bin stuff. An example of this I just discovered is Moulin Rouge disc 2, and I'm sure there's others.

dragongodz

21st February 2005, 12:46

Well hey, in my defense
sorry, defense disallowed. you have been on this forum long enough to know better. :D

I've never tried a half D1 encode, but I have a feeling the results would probably be just as bad.
since half D1 is half the resolution and you are wanting to effectivly halve the bitrate you should, in theory, be able to get close to the quality of the dvd9. it would look far better than any transcoding or re-encoding at full dimensions.

An example of this I just discovered is Moulin Rouge disc 2, and I'm sure there's others.
and i am guessing dvd 2 is a heap of extras with no audio removal possible etc ? see how long(total time) all the extra add up to and you will probably see its again a lot more than just an average movies length.
in these cases re-encoding or splitting is your only real options.

glassvial

21st February 2005, 15:06

Originally posted by dragongodz
sorry, defense disallowed. you have been on this forum long enough to know better. :D
Well hey I tried :cool:

since half D1 is half the resolution and you are wanting to effectivly halve the bitrate you should, in theory, be able to get close to the quality of the dvd9. it would look far better than any transcoding or re-encoding at full dimensions.
I may give it a shot anyway just to see what happens. Again it is bargain bin material after all ;)

and i am guessing dvd 2 is a heap of extras with no audio removal possible etc ? see how long(total time) all the extra add up to and you will probably see its again a lot more than just an average movies length.
in these cases re-encoding or splitting is your only real options.
Yes it is the "extras" disc for that movie. I also just found the same true for LOTR Appendicies disc 6, which obviously is also an extras disc. I believe in both cases though it wasn't *that* far over and I could probably do a double shrink on those to get them done.

glassvial

22nd February 2005, 07:41

Originally posted by dragongodz
since half D1 is half the resolution and you are wanting to effectivly halve the bitrate you should, in theory, be able to get close to the quality of the dvd9. it would look far better than any transcoding or re-encoding at full dimensions.
Well I tried this suggestion tonight and it produced still-unwatchable material. No surprise, I figured as much. Thanks anyway I'm just going to split these things up. Shame to waste discs but what can you do.

papillon

22nd February 2005, 23:59

I will definitely side with jwo62 in saying that Dvd95copy is the easiest and most problem free dvd backup software.
If you want the movie only, movie with menu's, split it, or a 1:1copy along with burning the disc with just a few clicks. Dvd95copy is worth it.

dragongodz

23rd February 2005, 00:07

Well I tried this suggestion tonight and it produced still-unwatchable material. No surprise, I figured as much.
well it should have been the best you could have got trying to get them all on one. the old saying holds true though, crap in = crap out. :D

Shame to waste discs but what can you do.
in this case not much else but split them as you say.

fewtch

23rd February 2005, 01:08

Originally posted by papillon
I will definitely side with jwo62 in saying that Dvd95copy is the easiest and most problem free dvd backup software.
If you want the movie only, movie with menu's, split it, or a 1:1copy along with burning the disc with just a few clicks. Dvd95copy is worth it.
They should change the name. I know why they named it as-is but "Dvd95copy" makes me think of Win95, or that it came out in 1995 :D.

jwo62

23rd February 2005, 19:58

I would still like to know the exact name of the dvd's that you are trying to backup. I am really curious about this,I want to see with my own eyes what you are seeing:)

glassvial

23rd February 2005, 21:05

War Classics Vol. 1 and 2 (2 DVD's in 1 box). Same thing (bargain box crap) as "The Great American Western" volume 5 and 6. Here's a couple links for the War Classics:

War Classics Vol 1 (http://video.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?ean=96009162597&userid=qL2okqzA4I&sourceid=00357145666181931107&bfdate=02%2D23%2D2005+15%3A02%3A36&frm=0&itm=8)
War Classics Vol 2 (http://video.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?userid=qL2okqzA4I&sourceid=00357145666181931107&bfdate=02%2D23%2D2005+15%3A02%3A36&EAN=96009162290&pwb=1)

I couldn't find any sites online that sell them both in 1 box, and I also just found out there's a volume 3 and 4 as well :D

SidDan

25th February 2005, 18:00

I also did enjoy alot DVD95Copy but since it cannot keep more than 1 PGC in a titleset I just had to jump to DVD Shrink. That is with IFOedit and with scenarist I have tried over a week and couldn´t get anywhere. I really don´t look forward of bulding the structure, I just want it the same as it was.

I have not had one single problem with DVD shrink so far, just use the deep analysis first and the copy will be near as original. I sure can´t tell the difference on a home movie projector