mp4 file optimizing?

[Elias]

Well, I am using XviD now with AAC audio. It's all been working great. I use the MP4BoxGUI to mux everything together, and then I do a pass through with Quicktime just to make sure the mp4 files work as they should. So, my problem is that the audio this time happens to be 5.1, and Quicktime (shitty as it is) doesn't like that. So my question is: are there any other ways to do this with other tools like mp4UI/MP4BoxGUI that adds BIFS and OD, ISMA compliance etc? mp4UI is very buggy, so I prefer to not use it right now. The MPEG4IP tools... well, no GUI.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Elias
... So my question is: are there any other ways to do this with other tools like mp4UI/MP4BoxGUI that adds BIFS and OD, ISMA compliance etc? mp4UI is very buggy, so I prefer to not use it right now. The MPEG4IP tools... well, no GUI. Are there any ways to do what?

If you mean tools that will help you play Mpeg4/SP/ASP video with 6Ch AAC audio in the .MP4 container, in Apples QuickTime Player... then... no!

Why is it so important for you to use Apples QuickTime Player anyway? For all any of us know it may be buggy also!


Cheers

[Elias]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Are there any ways to do what?

If you mean tools that will help you play Mpeg4/SP/ASP video with 6Ch AAC audio in the .MP4 container, in Apples QuickTime Player... then... no!

Why is it so important for you to use Apples QuickTime Player? Mostly because I can set the language to English, and it makes OD/BIFS in the mp4 file, plus it makes the mp4 file ISMA compliant and streaming friendly. I'm not using it as a player, I'm just adding the last touches to the mp4 file. You know, like optimizing it.

[JoeBG]

Try mp4muxer (http://mp4muxer.movie2digital.com/) . He is optimizing the mp4 file in the last step and you can add all streams without converting them to raw before muxing. :)

[Elias]

Nice, thanks a lot!

[Elias]

Well I've tried it out now, and it did not add any audio streams :(

[JoeBG]

Originally posted by Elias
Well I've tried it out now, and it did not add any audio streams :(

Try this (http://mrblaschke.movie2digital.de/Debug.zip) new release. We are killing bugs in the moment. So it would be helpful if you tell us everything what is going wrong, many thanks.

The new video is built (in the moment) in the Tempfolder and is named "CompleteVideo.mp4"

Hope you will have fun :)

[Elias]

Originally posted by JoeBG
Try this (http://mrblaschke.movie2digital.de/Debug.zip) new release. We are killing bugs in the moment. So it would be helpful if you tell us everything what is going wrong, many thanks.

The new video is built (in the moment) in the Tempfolder and is named "CompleteVideo.mp4"

Hope you will have fun :) All right, testing. If it's good, then I'll donate :D

[Elias]

LogWindow - Status
1] "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\Desktop\MPEG4IP\mp4creator.exe" -c "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\My Documents\dummy.aac" "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\My Documents\vdummy.mp4"
Dummy MP4 -> C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\My Documents\vdummy.mp4 generiert
skipping aac extraction (1) - no mp4 input!
skipping aac extraction (2) - no mp4 input!
2] "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\Desktop\MPEG4IP\avi2raw.exe" -v "D:\Encoding\2pass4096.avi" "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\My Documents\tmpf3.h264"
3] "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\Desktop\MPEG4IP\avi2raw.exe" -v "D:\Encoding\2pass4096.avi" "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\My Documents\tmpf5.xvid"
skipping h264 extraction - no mp4 input!
skipping mp4box aac -> mp4 migration. - no aac converted tempfile found...
4] "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\Desktop\MPEG4IP\MP4Box.exe" -add "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\My Documents\test AAC T02 3_6ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.aac" "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\My Documents\vdummy.mp4" -out "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\My Documents\tmpf4.mp4"
skipping aac -> mp4 conversion
skipping -> mp4 conversion
h264/xvid processing...
5] "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\Desktop\MPEG4IP\mp4creator.exe" -c "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\My Documents\tmpf3.h264" -rate 25 "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\My Documents\tmpf4.mp4"
6] "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\Desktop\MPEG4IP\mp4creator.exe" -c "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\My Documents\tmpf5.xvid" -rate 25 "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\My Documents\tmpf4.mp4"
Keine Untertitelspur 1 gefunden...Generiere Dummy-SRT
dummy.srt generiert.
using Dummy Subtitle File.
skipping also Sub 2 File. No Subs added.
7] "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\Desktop\MPEG4IP\MP4Box.exe" -add "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\My Documents\dummysub.srt" "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\My Documents\tmpf4.mp4" -out "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\My Documents\CompleteVideo.mp4"
8] "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\Desktop\MPEG4IP\MP4Box.exe" -optimize "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\My Documents\CompleteVideo.mp4"
Löschen der Tempfiles erfolgreich.
Fertig!

[Elias]

Still very buggy, if not worse. The complete video file became like 57 mb with no audio, and can't be opened in mp4UI. However, the tmpf4 file turned out great :) What I'd personally like is some kind of editing, and ISO MPEG-4 tags. For the editing part, like language options so I can choose English or other kind of manual text input (For example, if it's English Director's commentary, so I can write that). ISMA compliance would kick ass. Oh and in future releases, make sure to fix so that the video is always first, then the audio (after number) Like:
Track 1 MPEG-4 Video
Track 2 MPEG-4 5.1 Audio
Track 3 MPEG-4 Stereo Audio

[bond]

both mp4box and mp4creator/mp4ui make isma compliant and both create bifs/od and mp4creator/mp4ui offer an "optimize" option that moves the headers to the start of the file or so, dunno if mp4box doesnt do that automatically

if a file is spec compliant, its spec compliant...
no need to run it though quicktime or anything

[Elias]

Originally posted by bond
both mp4box and mp4creator/mp4ui make isma compliant and both create bifs/od and mp4creator/mp4ui offer an "optimize" option that moves the headers to the start of the file or so, dunno if mp4box doesnt do that automatically

if a file is spec compliant, its spec compliant...
no need to run it though quicktime or anything Probably, but I run it through Quicktime because I add streaming hints or whatever they're good for. I also choose English language for audio and video. So that's what I need Quicktime for :)

[bond]

Originally posted by Elias
Probably, but I run it through Quicktime because I add streaming hints or whatever they're good for. I also choose English language for audio and video. So that's what I need Quicktime for :) you can also hint with mp4box and mp4creator/mp4ui

about the language, i am not sure if that info isnt simply placed in the udta atom, meaning only handled by qt, as not the way to signal the language in .mp4

[Elias]

Originally posted by bond
you can also hint with mp4box and mp4creator/mp4ui

about the language, i am not sure if that info isnt simply placed in the udta atom, meaning only handled by qt, as not the way to signal the language in .mp4 That's possible, but when done, it shows up as English in VLC and Nero Showtime... so, that's a good thing, right?

This time it worked much better, but the complete video file lacked the BIFS/OD. Here's the log:

LogWindow - Status
1] "D:\Program\MPEG4IP\mp4creator.exe" -c "D:\Encoding\dummy.aac" "D:\Encoding\vdummy.mp4"
Dummy MP4 -> D:\Encoding\vdummy.mp4 generiert
skipping aac extraction (1) - no mp4 input!
skipping aac extraction (2) - no mp4 input!
2] "D:\Program\MPEG4IP\avi2raw.exe" -v "D:\Encoding\2pass4096.avi" "D:\Encoding\tmpf3.h264"
3] "D:\Program\MPEG4IP\avi2raw.exe" -v "D:\Encoding\2pass4096.avi" "D:\Encoding\tmpf5.xvid"
skipping h264 extraction - no mp4 input!
skipping mp4box aac -> mp4 migration. - no aac converted tempfile found...
4] "D:\Program\MPEG4IP\MP4Box.exe" -add "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\My Documents\test AAC T02 3_6ch 448Kbps DELAY 0ms.aac" "D:\Encoding\vdummy.mp4" -out "D:\Encoding\tmpf4.mp4"
skipping aac -> mp4 conversion
5] "D:\Program\MPEG4IP\mp4creator.exe" -c "C:\Documents and Settings\Elias\My Documents\test AAC T01 2_0ch 224Kbps DELAY 0ms.aac" "D:\Encoding\tmpf4.mp4"
h264/xvid processing...
6] "D:\Program\MPEG4IP\mp4creator.exe" -c "D:\Encoding\tmpf3.h264" -rate 25 "D:\Encoding\tmpf4.mp4"
7] "D:\Program\MPEG4IP\mp4creator.exe" -c "D:\Encoding\tmpf5.xvid" -rate 25 "D:\Encoding\tmpf4.mp4"
Keine Untertitelspur 1 gefunden...Generiere Dummy-SRT
dummy.srt generiert.
using Dummy Subtitle File.
skipping also Sub 2 File. No Subs added.
8] "D:\Program\MPEG4IP\MP4Box.exe" -add "D:\Encoding\dummysub.srt" "D:\Encoding\tmpf4.mp4" -out "D:\Encoding\CompleteVideo.mp4"
9] "D:\Program\MPEG4IP\MP4Box.exe" -optimize "D:\Encoding\CompleteVideo.mp4"
Löschen der Tempfiles erfolgreich.
Fertig!

[bond]

Originally posted by Elias
That's possible, but when done, it shows up as English in VLC and Nero Showtime... so, that's a good thing, right?indeed! didnt know that that is possible in qt, cool :)

[Elias]

Originally posted by bond
indeed! didnt know that that is possible in qt, cool :) Holy shit! I taught you something. I am now a skilled n00b :D

[Elias]

Originally posted by bond
you can also hint with mp4box and mp4creator/mp4uimp4box probably can do this, but the mp4boxgui by mezannine ain't doing it :) No OD/BIFS either :/ By the way, what are OD/BIFS good for anyway? I mean, are they necessary in any way for the mp4 file to be compliant or what?

[bond]

Originally posted by Elias
By the way, what are OD/BIFS good for anyway? I mean, are they necessary in any way for the mp4 file to be compliant or what?the two are mpeg-4 systems streams carrying a basic scene, making the file playable on a systems player
its required by the isma specification, a non systems player will not need these two streams

[Elias]

Originally posted by bond
the two are mpeg-4 systems streams carrying a basic scene, making the file playable on a systems player
its required by the isma specification, a non systems player will not need these two streams In other words: not important? Like, what players are affected by it? So far, all players I've used are capable of playing the mp4 without OD/BIFS.

[bond]

Originally posted by Elias
In other words: not important? its not needed to have a mpeg-4 compliant .mp4 file
isma compliance requires it tough and it doesnt hurt

[JoeBG]

Originally posted by bond
its not needed to have a mpeg-4 compliant .mp4 file
isma compliance requires it tough and it doesnt hurt

mp4muxer optimizes the mp4 in the last step with -optimize from mp4creator. I thought this would be enought. Is this wrong?

[bond]

Originally posted by JoeBG
mp4muxer optimizes the mp4 in the last step with -optimize from mp4creator. I thought this would be enought. Is this wrong? no, it wouldnt even be wrong if you dont use that option

[JoeBG]

Originally posted by bond
no, it wouldnt even be wrong if you dont use that option

So we don´t need -optimize? Should we delete it from mp4muxer commandline?

[bond]

Originally posted by JoeBG
Should we delete it from mp4muxer commandline?i didnt say its not useful. actually i havent done any tests whether it hurts or helps. i dont see a reason to not use it :)