First attempt with 0.76 resulted in undersized movie

[lamster]

I tried doing Mulan 2 with 0.76 (QuEnc 0.59 beta 2), and wound up with 3 gb in VIDEO_TS. Had "Half-D1 and Half Space for Extras" checked.
Rebuilder.INI:
[Paths]
CCE250=c:\bin\EclCCE.exe
Source=E:\DVD_VIDEOS\mulan2\VIDEO_TS\
Working=E:\DVD_VIDEOS\mulan2\
QuEnc=c:\bin\QUENC.EXE
MPEG2DEC=C:\bin\DGDecode.dll
Output=E:\DVD_VIDEOS\mulan2\Rebuilt\
CCENEW=C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\CCE SP Trial Version\cctspt.exe
[Options]
BackColor=16761024
CCE=0
QTrellis=1
Mode=2
OneClick=1
HalfExtras=1
ReduceOpt=0
LogFile=1
QuEncHQ=1
QuEncScene=1
QKVCDOpt=1
AdditionalOutput=1
Completed=36
; ILVU_Extract=1
Skin=Windows Standard
RemoveDTS=1
HalfD1=00000000
Convert_16_9=00000000
DisableInterlace=00000000
min_bitrate=1000
[Setup]
Language11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=25
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=2
[Audio]
Selected=101111111


Original VIDEO_TS directory:
02/07/2005 11:54p 22,528 VIDEO_TS.BUP
02/07/2005 11:54p 22,528 VIDEO_TS.IFO
02/07/2005 11:54p 6,475,776 VIDEO_TS.VOB
02/07/2005 11:54p 71,680 VTS_01_0.BUP
02/07/2005 11:54p 71,680 VTS_01_0.IFO
02/07/2005 11:55p 131,602,432 VTS_01_0.VOB
02/08/2005 12:03a 1,073,442,816 VTS_01_1.VOB
02/08/2005 12:11a 1,073,545,216 VTS_01_2.VOB
02/08/2005 12:19a 1,073,457,152 VTS_01_3.VOB
02/08/2005 12:23a 625,354,752 VTS_01_4.VOB
02/08/2005 12:23a 14,336 VTS_02_0.BUP
02/08/2005 12:23a 14,336 VTS_02_0.IFO
02/08/2005 12:24a 12,511,232 VTS_02_1.VOB
02/08/2005 12:24a 24,576 VTS_03_0.BUP
02/08/2005 12:24a 24,576 VTS_03_0.IFO
02/08/2005 12:26a 349,188,096 VTS_03_1.VOB
02/08/2005 12:26a 14,336 VTS_04_0.BUP
02/08/2005 12:26a 14,336 VTS_04_0.IFO
02/08/2005 12:27a 136,026,112 VTS_04_1.VOB
02/08/2005 12:27a 28,672 VTS_05_0.BUP
02/08/2005 12:27a 28,672 VTS_05_0.IFO
02/08/2005 12:31a 471,621,632 VTS_05_1.VOB
02/08/2005 12:31a 32,768 VTS_06_0.BUP
02/08/2005 12:31a 32,768 VTS_06_0.IFO
02/08/2005 12:38a 956,794,880 VTS_06_1.VOB
02/08/2005 12:38a 22,528 VTS_07_0.BUP
02/08/2005 12:38a 22,528 VTS_07_0.IFO
02/08/2005 12:40a 304,418,816 VTS_07_1.VOB
02/08/2005 12:40a 14,336 VTS_08_0.BUP
02/08/2005 12:40a 14,336 VTS_08_0.IFO
02/08/2005 12:41a 106,502,144 VTS_08_1.VOB
02/08/2005 12:41a 14,336 VTS_09_0.BUP
02/08/2005 12:41a 14,336 VTS_09_0.IFO
02/08/2005 12:41a 12,224,512 VTS_09_1.VOB
34 File(s) 6,333,685,760 bytes


Rebuilt VIDEO_TS directory:
02/13/2005 09:33p 22,528 VIDEO_TS.BUP
02/13/2005 09:33p 22,528 VIDEO_TS.IFO
02/13/2005 11:51a 6,475,776 VIDEO_TS.VOB
02/13/2005 09:33p 75,776 VTS_01_0.BUP
02/13/2005 09:33p 75,776 VTS_01_0.IFO
02/13/2005 11:51a 131,602,432 VTS_01_0.VOB
02/13/2005 12:06p 1,073,739,776 VTS_01_1.VOB
02/13/2005 12:07p 1,073,739,776 VTS_01_2.VOB
02/13/2005 12:07p 213,432,320 VTS_01_3.VOB
02/13/2005 09:33p 14,336 VTS_02_0.BUP
02/13/2005 09:33p 14,336 VTS_02_0.IFO
02/13/2005 11:51a 12,511,232 VTS_02_1.VOB
02/13/2005 09:33p 24,576 VTS_03_0.BUP
02/13/2005 09:33p 24,576 VTS_03_0.IFO
02/13/2005 12:09p 127,072,256 VTS_03_1.VOB
02/13/2005 09:33p 14,336 VTS_04_0.BUP
02/13/2005 09:33p 14,336 VTS_04_0.IFO
02/13/2005 12:09p 52,117,504 VTS_04_1.VOB
02/13/2005 09:33p 28,672 VTS_05_0.BUP
02/13/2005 09:33p 28,672 VTS_05_0.IFO
02/13/2005 12:11p 161,693,696 VTS_05_1.VOB
02/13/2005 09:33p 30,720 VTS_06_0.BUP
02/13/2005 09:33p 30,720 VTS_06_0.IFO
02/13/2005 12:13p 154,247,168 VTS_06_1.VOB
02/13/2005 09:33p 24,576 VTS_07_0.BUP
02/13/2005 09:33p 24,576 VTS_07_0.IFO
02/13/2005 12:14p 112,842,752 VTS_07_1.VOB
02/13/2005 09:33p 14,336 VTS_08_0.BUP
02/13/2005 09:33p 14,336 VTS_08_0.IFO
02/13/2005 12:14p 43,739,136 VTS_08_1.VOB
02/13/2005 09:33p 14,336 VTS_09_0.BUP
02/13/2005 09:33p 14,336 VTS_09_0.IFO
02/13/2005 11:51a 12,224,512 VTS_09_1.VOB
33 File(s) 3,175,966,720 bytes


Beginning of Rebuilder.log (let me know if you need the rest):
[01:55:23] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- "Half-D1/Half Space for Extras" mode is enabled.
- VTS_01: 1,877,832 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 113,256 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 170,502 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 15,927 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 66,419 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 5,187 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 230,284 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 21,232 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 467,185 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 46,376 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_07: 148,642 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 11,652 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_08: 52,003 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 4,013 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 71.0%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,283Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,638,012KB
- Movie improvement from extra reduction = 36.0%
- HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates: 8,642/1,000/3,283 Kbs
[02:06:00] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 11 minutes.

[Axlemar]

You probably going to be asked this eventually, but what version of the decoder are you using? If you have to try and have the lastest, it seems you can use 1.2.0 RC1 at your own risk. Other than that use the recommended one.

BTW, what is the quality difference between the old and new decoder? If newer ones are being developed, what kind of improvements do they have? I don't really see any discussions on it so I though I would ask here.

[pg55555]

I'm not sure RB is currently supporting QuEnc 0.59 beta 2. Try with QuEnc 0.57

[jdobbs]

You set the extras to half/half, removed audio tracks, and the main movie was less than 4GB to begin with. You had a 71% encode that was improved by 36% due to the half/half. It's probably small because it resized 100% and was still smaller than a DVD-5. DVD-RB won't resize above 100% of the original bitrate.

Just guessing.

[jptheripper]

lol.. nice

just a thought, here is a great reason why it would be nice to be able to "uncheck" a title to not reencode, so you could just half d1 the extras and leave the main movie intact.

-just a thought

[lamster]

Originally posted by jdobbs
You set the extras to half/half, removed audio tracks, and the main movie was less than 4GB to begin with. You had a 71% encode that was improved by 36% due to the half/half. It's probably small because it resized 100% and was still smaller than a DVD-5. DVD-RB won't resize above 100% of the original bitrate.

Just guessing.
VTS_01* totalled 3,977,545,728 bytes before-hand; it totalled 2,492,665,856 afterwards. The only stream that would have been stripped out is the French audio, which (according to Shrink) is 219 meg. It seems to me that there's over a gig squeezed out of the movie unnecessarily.

[jdobbs]

Post the [Status] section of the REBUILDER.INF. Please also note that you are using a beta, unsupported version of QuEnc.

[lamster]

Second movie I tried was Star Wars VI - Return of the Jedi, and that was also undersized (although not as badly).

Same rebuilder.ini as above (other than the paths).

Directory listing of original VIDEO_TS
02/09/2005 12:24a 22,528 VIDEO_TS.BUP
02/09/2005 12:24a 22,528 VIDEO_TS.IFO
02/09/2005 12:24a 1,761,280 VIDEO_TS.VOB
02/09/2005 12:24a 18,432 VTS_01_0.BUP
02/09/2005 12:24a 18,432 VTS_01_0.IFO
02/09/2005 12:24a 458,752 VTS_01_0.VOB
02/09/2005 12:24a 20,480 VTS_01_1.VOB
02/09/2005 12:24a 14,336 VTS_02_0.BUP
02/09/2005 12:24a 14,336 VTS_02_0.IFO
02/09/2005 12:24a 7,931,904 VTS_02_1.VOB
02/09/2005 12:24a 14,336 VTS_03_0.BUP
02/09/2005 12:24a 14,336 VTS_03_0.IFO
02/09/2005 12:24a 19,959,808 VTS_03_1.VOB
02/09/2005 12:24a 139,264 VTS_04_0.BUP
02/09/2005 12:24a 139,264 VTS_04_0.IFO
02/09/2005 12:28a 707,446,784 VTS_04_0.VOB
02/09/2005 12:35a 1,073,709,056 VTS_04_1.VOB
02/09/2005 12:41a 1,073,709,056 VTS_04_2.VOB
02/09/2005 12:48a 1,073,709,056 VTS_04_3.VOB
02/09/2005 12:54a 1,073,709,056 VTS_04_4.VOB
02/09/2005 01:01a 1,073,709,056 VTS_04_5.VOB
02/09/2005 01:07a 1,073,709,056 VTS_04_6.VOB
02/09/2005 01:14a 1,073,709,056 VTS_04_7.VOB
02/09/2005 01:15a 135,852,032 VTS_04_8.VOB
02/09/2005 01:15a 20,480 VTS_05_0.BUP
02/09/2005 01:15a 20,480 VTS_05_0.IFO
02/09/2005 01:15a 212,992 VTS_05_0.VOB
02/09/2005 01:16a 22,134,784 VTS_05_1.VOB
02/09/2005 01:16a 14,336 VTS_06_0.BUP
02/09/2005 01:16a 14,336 VTS_06_0.IFO
02/09/2005 01:16a 2,621,440 VTS_06_1.VOB
31 File(s) 8,414,851,072 bytes


Directory listing of rebuilt VIDEO_TS
02/14/2005 09:50a 22,528 VIDEO_TS.BUP
02/14/2005 09:50a 22,528 VIDEO_TS.IFO
02/14/2005 03:21a 1,761,280 VIDEO_TS.VOB
02/14/2005 09:50a 18,432 VTS_01_0.BUP
02/14/2005 09:50a 18,432 VTS_01_0.IFO
02/14/2005 03:21a 458,752 VTS_01_0.VOB
02/14/2005 03:21a 20,480 VTS_01_1.VOB
02/14/2005 09:50a 14,336 VTS_02_0.BUP
02/14/2005 09:50a 14,336 VTS_02_0.IFO
02/14/2005 03:21a 7,931,904 VTS_02_1.VOB
02/14/2005 09:50a 14,336 VTS_03_0.BUP
02/14/2005 09:50a 14,336 VTS_03_0.IFO
02/14/2005 03:21a 19,959,808 VTS_03_1.VOB
02/14/2005 09:50a 147,456 VTS_04_0.BUP
02/14/2005 09:50a 147,456 VTS_04_0.IFO
02/14/2005 03:21a 707,446,784 VTS_04_0.VOB
02/14/2005 03:33a 1,073,739,776 VTS_04_1.VOB
02/14/2005 03:47a 1,073,739,776 VTS_04_2.VOB
02/14/2005 03:49a 1,073,739,776 VTS_04_3.VOB
02/14/2005 03:49a 262,014,976 VTS_04_4.VOB
02/14/2005 09:50a 20,480 VTS_05_0.BUP
02/14/2005 09:50a 20,480 VTS_05_0.IFO
02/14/2005 03:21a 212,992 VTS_05_0.VOB
02/14/2005 03:21a 22,134,784 VTS_05_1.VOB
02/14/2005 09:50a 14,336 VTS_06_0.BUP
02/14/2005 09:50a 14,336 VTS_06_0.IFO
02/14/2005 03:21a 2,621,440 VTS_06_1.VOB
27 File(s) 4,246,286,336 bytes


First part of Rebuilder.log
c:\bin\Rebuilder.exe
Created at: 2005/02/13 0:05:00
Product Name: DVD Rebuilder
Product Version: 0.76
c:\bin\QuEnc.exe
Created at: 2005/01/18 23:22:50
Product Name: QuEnc
Product Version: 1, 0, 0, 1
c:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll
Created at: 2004/04/24 8:03:24
Product Name: MPEG2Dec3
Product Version: 1, 0, 1, 0
C:\WINNT\system32\avisynth.dll
Created at: 2004/01/26 3:28:11
Product Name: Avisynth 2.5
Product Version: 2, 5, 4, 0
c:\bin\DGDecode.dll
Created at: 2004/06/07 11:55:28

Transcoding...
-----------------
[16:50:39] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- "Half-D1/Half Space for Extras" mode is enabled.
- VTS_04: 3,736,238 sectors.
-- ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING is present.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 199,796 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 40.9%
- Overall Bitrate : 2,422Kbs
- Space for Video : 2,463,266KB
- Movie improvement from extra reduction = .0%
- HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates: 3,310/1,000/2,422 Kbs
[17:04:06] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 14 minutes.

There's no DTS; the only audio to be stripped would be French (193 MB). There are 3 angles, but only 2 sets of cells where multiple angles are used. These are 1:34.04 and 0:28.0 seconds, respectively.

[lamster]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Post the [Status] section of the REBUILDER.INF.
Argh - I just deleted the Mulan2 D2VAVS directory, to make room for another try. (I might have it on the DVD I cut; I'll check tonight.)

The one from the Return of the Jedi is:

[Status]
mode=2
Original_Size=4108814
Excluded_Audio_Sub_Size=94833
VTS_04_SIZE=3009214
Progress=2
CCEType=0
Encode_Progress=84

Please also note that you are using a beta, unsupported version of QuEnc.
Well, I had only upgraded to 0.59b2 because the newer Rebuilders weren't supporting QuEnc 0.54. Now that 0.76 does, I'm retrying with QuEnc 0.54.

[jdobbs]

The recommended version was v0.57 -- but 0.54 is ok.

[lamster]

Incidentally - do the results of Phase 1 depend on which version of QuEnc is being used? If not, might I suggest you check the version at the start of phase 2? And if it does, you might want to compare at the start of phase 2 with what you saw at the start of phase 1, in order to prevent reports of strange phenomena by us poor dumb users.

(I had started the new build, then remembered I needed to revert to the older QuEnc and did that while phase 1 was processing. When it got to phase 2, I got the QuEnc pop-up complaining about mpeg2mux. I tried quitting and restarting in 3-click mode, but got the same thing. Had to do the first phase over again in order to get Rebuilder to not pass that parameter to QuEnc.)

[jdobbs]

The problem is that there is no way I can check the version from software. All versions except v0.54 report the same.

[lamster]

Originally posted by jdobbs
The problem is that there is no way I can check the version from software. All versions except v0.54 report the same.
But (as of 0.76,) you do check for 0.54, and avoid specifying the -mpeg2mux when that version is being used. However, it appears that this check is done during phase 1, whereas QuEnc is invoked during phase 2. So if 0.54 is present in one of the 2 phases and a different version is present in the other, you'll be making the wrong decision regarding the -mpeg2mux parameter.

Note: If you want to say that changing versions of QuEnc in between phases is a dumb thing to do, and you're not going to address this, I'm fine with that. I'm just pointing out the issue.

[jdobbs]

However, it appears that this check is done during phase 1, whereas QuEnc is invoked during phase 2. Don't know where you got this idea. The check is done immediately before the encoding in phase 2...

[lamster]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Don't know where you got this idea.
See what I wrote above. ("I had started"...)

[lamster]

Originally posted by jdobbs
The recommended version was v0.57 -- but 0.54 is ok.
Results from QuEnc 0.57 alpha (a rebuild using 0.54 is still processing):

Directory listing of resulting VIDEO_TS directory:
02/14/2005 08:05 PM 22,528 VIDEO_TS.BUP
02/14/2005 08:05 PM 22,528 VIDEO_TS.IFO
02/14/2005 07:47 PM 6,475,776 VIDEO_TS.VOB
02/14/2005 08:05 PM 75,776 VTS_01_0.BUP
02/14/2005 08:05 PM 75,776 VTS_01_0.IFO
02/14/2005 07:47 PM 131,602,432 VTS_01_0.VOB
02/14/2005 07:59 PM 1,073,739,776 VTS_01_1.VOB
02/14/2005 08:01 PM 1,073,739,776 VTS_01_2.VOB
02/14/2005 08:01 PM 285,489,152 VTS_01_3.VOB
02/14/2005 07:46 PM 14,336 VTS_02_0.BUP
02/14/2005 07:46 PM 14,336 VTS_02_0.IFO
02/14/2005 07:47 PM 12,511,232 VTS_02_1.VOB
02/14/2005 08:05 PM 24,576 VTS_03_0.BUP
02/14/2005 08:05 PM 24,576 VTS_03_0.IFO
02/14/2005 08:02 PM 128,661,504 VTS_03_1.VOB
02/14/2005 08:05 PM 14,336 VTS_04_0.BUP
02/14/2005 08:05 PM 14,336 VTS_04_0.IFO
02/14/2005 08:02 PM 52,195,328 VTS_04_1.VOB
02/14/2005 08:05 PM 28,672 VTS_05_0.BUP
02/14/2005 08:05 PM 28,672 VTS_05_0.IFO
02/14/2005 08:03 PM 175,273,984 VTS_05_1.VOB
02/14/2005 08:05 PM 32,768 VTS_06_0.BUP
02/14/2005 08:05 PM 32,768 VTS_06_0.IFO
02/14/2005 08:04 PM 155,736,064 VTS_06_1.VOB
02/14/2005 08:05 PM 24,576 VTS_07_0.BUP
02/14/2005 08:05 PM 24,576 VTS_07_0.IFO
02/14/2005 08:05 PM 116,080,640 VTS_07_1.VOB
02/14/2005 08:05 PM 14,336 VTS_08_0.BUP
02/14/2005 08:05 PM 14,336 VTS_08_0.IFO
02/14/2005 08:05 PM 43,859,968 VTS_08_1.VOB
02/14/2005 07:46 PM 14,336 VTS_09_0.BUP
02/14/2005 07:46 PM 14,336 VTS_09_0.IFO
02/14/2005 07:47 PM 12,224,512 VTS_09_1.VOB
33 File(s) 3,268,122,624 bytes


Rebuilder.inf
[Status]
mode=2
Original_Size=3092620
Excluded_Audio_Sub_Size=112458
VTS_01_SIZE=1490724
VTS_03_SIZE=158475
VTS_04_SIZE=63930
VTS_05_SIZE=220118
VTS_06_SIZE=444800
VTS_07_SIZE=136816
VTS_08_SIZE=47905
Progress=2
CCEType=2
Encode_Progress=130


Rebuilder.ini
[Paths]
Source=C:\TEMP\DVD_VIDEOS\Mulan2\VIDEO_TS\
Working=C:\TEMP\DVD_VIDEOS\Mulan2\
Output=C:\TEMP\DVD_VIDEOS\Mulan2\REBUILT\
MPEG2DEC=C:\bin\DGDecode.dll
QuEnc=C:\bin\QuEnc.exe
REJIG=C:\bin\ReJig.exe
[Options]
AdditionalOutput=1
OneClick=1
Mode=2
HalfExtras=1
QTrellis=1
QKVCDOpt=1
QuEncHQ=1
QuEncScene=1
LogFile=1
Completed=40
RemoveDTS=1
EncoderMinimized=1
Skin=Windows Standard
HalfD1=00000000
Convert_16_9=00000000
DisableInterlace=00000000
min_bitrate=1000
[Audio]
Selected=101111111
[Setup]
Language11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111


Rebuilder.log
c:\bin\Rebuilder.exe
Created at: 2005/02/13 0:05:00
Product Name: DVD Rebuilder
Product Version: 0.76
c:\bin\QuEnc.exe
Created at: 2005/01/01 19:14:14
Product Name: QuEnc
Product Version: 1, 0, 0, 1
c:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll
Created at: 2004/04/24 8:03:24
Product Name: MPEG2Dec3
Product Version: 1, 0, 1, 0
C:\WINDOWS\system32\avisynth.dll
Created at: 2004/09/01 9:49:56
Product Name: Avisynth 2.5
Product Version: 2, 5, 5, 0
c:\bin\DGDecode.dll
Created at: 2004/06/07 11:55:28

Transcoding...
-----------------
[15:13:46] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- "Half-D1/Half Space for Extras" mode is enabled.
- VTS_01: 1,877,832 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 113,256 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 170,502 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 15,927 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 66,419 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 5,187 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 230,284 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 21,232 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 467,185 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 46,376 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_07: 148,642 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 11,652 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_08: 52,003 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 4,013 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 71.0%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,283Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,638,012KB
- Movie improvement from extra reduction = 36.0%
- HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates: 8,642/1,000/3,283 Kbs
[15:19:06] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 6 minutes.

It's still undersized by about a gig and a half.

[jdobbs]

Don't do that movie. ;)

[lamster]

Originally posted by lamster
it appears that this check is done during phase 1, whereas QuEnc is invoked during phase 2.
I tried reproducing this, and I couldn't.

(The first time, when I saw the problem, I had unpacked 0.54 over 0.59b2 during Phase 1 in one-click mode; the second time, I ran Phase 1 in 3-click mode, quit, and overlaid 0.54 over 0.57, then started up QuEnc again, and started phase 2 with no problem. If I can come up with a reproducible scenario, I'll let you know. Right now, I'm just confused.)

[lamster]

Originally posted by jdobbs
The recommended version was v0.57 -- but 0.54 is ok.
QuEnc 0.57 gave the same undersized results (see above), but 0.54 worked out just about right (see the following).
Directory listing of rebuilt VIDEO_TS
02/15/2005 11:05a 22,528 VIDEO_TS.BUP
02/15/2005 11:05a 22,528 VIDEO_TS.IFO
02/15/2005 10:35a 6,475,776 VIDEO_TS.VOB
02/15/2005 11:05a 75,776 VTS_01_0.BUP
02/15/2005 11:05a 75,776 VTS_01_0.IFO
02/15/2005 10:35a 131,602,432 VTS_01_0.VOB
02/15/2005 10:56a 1,073,739,776 VTS_01_1.VOB
02/15/2005 10:57a 1,073,739,776 VTS_01_2.VOB
02/15/2005 10:58a 1,073,739,776 VTS_01_3.VOB
02/15/2005 10:58a 330,631,168 VTS_01_4.VOB
02/15/2005 10:35a 14,336 VTS_02_0.BUP
02/15/2005 10:35a 14,336 VTS_02_0.IFO
02/15/2005 10:35a 12,511,232 VTS_02_1.VOB
02/15/2005 11:05a 24,576 VTS_03_0.BUP
02/15/2005 11:05a 24,576 VTS_03_0.IFO
02/15/2005 10:59a 139,386,880 VTS_03_1.VOB
02/15/2005 11:05a 14,336 VTS_04_0.BUP
02/15/2005 11:05a 14,336 VTS_04_0.IFO
02/15/2005 11:00a 52,367,360 VTS_04_1.VOB
02/15/2005 11:05a 28,672 VTS_05_0.BUP
02/15/2005 11:05a 28,672 VTS_05_0.IFO
02/15/2005 11:01a 183,988,224 VTS_05_1.VOB
02/15/2005 11:05a 32,768 VTS_06_0.BUP
02/15/2005 11:05a 32,768 VTS_06_0.IFO
02/15/2005 11:04a 247,431,168 VTS_06_1.VOB
02/15/2005 11:05a 24,576 VTS_07_0.BUP
02/15/2005 11:05a 24,576 VTS_07_0.IFO
02/15/2005 11:05a 123,785,216 VTS_07_1.VOB
02/15/2005 11:05a 14,336 VTS_08_0.BUP
02/15/2005 11:05a 14,336 VTS_08_0.IFO
02/15/2005 11:05a 43,841,536 VTS_08_1.VOB
02/15/2005 10:35a 14,336 VTS_09_0.BUP
02/15/2005 10:35a 14,336 VTS_09_0.IFO
02/15/2005 10:35a 12,224,512 VTS_09_1.VOB
34 File(s) 4,505,997,312 bytes


Rebuilder.ini
[Paths]
CCE250=c:\bin\EclCCE.exe
Source=E:\DVD_VIDEOS\Mulan2\VIDEO_TS\
Working=E:\DVD_VIDEOS\Mulan2\
QuEnc=c:\bin\QUENC.EXE
MPEG2DEC=C:\bin\DGDecode.dll
Output=E:\DVD_VIDEOS\Mulan2\Rebuilt\
CCENEW=C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\CCE SP Trial Version\cctspt.exe
[Options]
BackColor=16761024
CCE=0
QTrellis=1
Mode=2
OneClick=0
HalfExtras=1
ReduceOpt=0
LogFile=1
QuEncHQ=1
QuEncScene=1
QKVCDOpt=1
AdditionalOutput=1
Completed=38
; ILVU_Extract=1
Skin=Windows Standard
RemoveDTS=1
HalfD1=00000000
Convert_16_9=00000000
DisableInterlace=00000000
min_bitrate=1000
[Setup]
Language11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=25
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=2
[Audio]
Selected=101111111


Rebuilder.inf
[Status]
mode=2
Original_Size=3092620
Excluded_Audio_Sub_Size=112458
VTS_01_SIZE=1490724
VTS_03_SIZE=158475
VTS_04_SIZE=63930
VTS_05_SIZE=220118
VTS_06_SIZE=444800
VTS_07_SIZE=136816
VTS_08_SIZE=47905
Progress=2
CCEType=0
Encode_Progress=130


Rebuilder.log
c:\bin\Rebuilder.exe
Created at: 2005/02/13 0:05:00
Product Name: DVD Rebuilder
Product Version: 0.76
c:\bin\QuEnc.exe
Created at: 2004/08/30 11:27:44
Product Name: QuEnc
Product Version: 0, 0, 5, 4
c:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll
Created at: 2004/04/24 8:03:24
Product Name: MPEG2Dec3
Product Version: 1, 0, 1, 0
C:\WINNT\system32\avisynth.dll
Created at: 2004/01/26 3:28:11
Product Name: Avisynth 2.5
Product Version: 2, 5, 4, 0
c:\bin\DGDecode.dll
Created at: 2004/06/07 11:55:28

Transcoding...
-----------------
[12:33:24] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- "Half-D1/Half Space for Extras" mode is enabled.
- VTS_01: 1,877,832 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 113,256 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 170,502 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 15,927 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 66,419 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 5,187 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 230,284 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 21,232 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 467,185 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 46,376 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_07: 148,642 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 11,652 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_08: 52,003 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 4,013 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 71.0%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,283Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,638,012KB
- Movie improvement from extra reduction = 36.0%
- HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates: 8,642/1,000/3,283 Kbs
[12:44:12] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 11 minutes.

Summary: Using QuEnc 0.57 and 0.59b2, I got undersized results; QuEnc 0.54 seems fine. I don't know if the problem is with QuEnc or Rebuilder, but I'll be sticking with 0.54 for now.

@jdobbs - let me know if there's anything else you'd like me to provide before I blow away the test directories.

[lamster]

Originally posted by jdobbs in 0.77 release notes
Also added -vbr to the command line as no doing so may have contributed to reported sizing problems.
Sorry to report that it didn't help with the above, at least for QuEnc 0.59b2.

[lamster]

Didn't help with QuEnc 0.57a either; still undersized.

On the bright side, I was able to drop the min_bitrate setting from the Rebuilder.ini file, and didn't have QuEnc crash, so that fix is working for me.

[dragongodz]

sorry to drag this older thread back up but anyone experiencing undersizing with QuEnc versions after 0.54 should try 0.59 beta 4. some of the settings have been changed back to older values etc. so now 2 pass should be sizing better.

if you have any problems, or even posative results then please report them here
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=92930