Remove "www" from doom9's site

[MaxT]

<rant>
Mmkay, this got me pissed several times and I kinda ignored it, but now it's nearly 5am so I just have to come out with this :p

Everytime I want to visit main Doom9's site I just type "d" in the URL bar, my browser completes URL, I press enter... And what do I get?

"There is no website configured at this address." (http://doom9.org)
DUH! DUH DUH!!!

Who needs that www anyway? It's depricated ages ago :rolleyes:, as well as http part... Give your users more "usability" and it's "healthy" for the search engine bots as well.

www. is deprecated (http://no-www.org/)
http is deprecated (http://no-http.org/)

Or at least redirect your users from that dead domain to www one... :/
</rant>

Phew... :D Now I can go to sleep :p

[Doom9]

Get a zoneedit account and you'll understand...

I don't know if it's a Zonedit restriction only (but I absolutely need them for the round robin and failsave switchover - those features are absolutely crucial to me and zoneedit has never let me down in the years I've used them so I am very unlikely to change anything in that department), but 2nd level urls(like "doom9.org") need to be A records. 3rd level urls like "www.doom9.org" can be A records, or CNames. Now since two of my mirrors use dynamic IPs, A records are out of the question. So I have 5 A records and 2 CNames for all the site mirrors. Then I make round robin and failsave switchover via 7 CNames.

Since "doom9.org" needs to be an A record and cannot be a redirect (else I'd redirect it to www.doom9.org), things are as they are. The servers are generally not configured to handle "doom9.org" either, because that url does not permit me to use all the servers in the round robin.

And btw, at least Firefox will automatically propose www.doom9.org if I start typing doom9 in the address bar (it takes that url from the history).. so you don't even have to type www. And then of course there are bookmarks ;)

[MaxT]

bleh... :/ And I do actually use FF... Problem is, once you've typed http://doom9.org, FF remembers it (as site exist and it does actually works), so when typing "d" first result that I get is http://doom9.org and not http://www.doom9.org. Ah well...

[KpeX]

Originally posted by MaxT
bleh... :/ And I do actually use FF... Problem is, once you've typed http://doom9.org, FF remembers it (as site exist and it does actually works), so when typing "d" first result that I get is http://doom9.org and not http://www.doom9.org. Ah well... So delete it from your history. Or hit the down arrow until you get to the www.doom9.org address. Both solutions take ~2 seconds.

[niamh]

What about the toolbar bookmark folder? even easier :)
I'd go crackers if I hadn't doom up there, for the same reasons as MaxT actually...I think the toolbar folder is the best cosmetic feature of FF, but most people I've talked to don't seem to use it.

[MaxT]

I don't use it as it takes space (yes, I do care about it, and no, I got screen big enough).

Originally posted by KpeX
So delete it from your history. Or hit the down arrow until you get to the www.doom9.org address. Both solutions take ~2 seconds.

Uh dude, I was talking about deprecated elements, usability and userfriendlyness... And you're explaining me the way I have to do it (the way I already use because of no alternatives, duh).

[smiller667]

Delete the name cache of FF, then ... and start using doom9.net :). It redirects to www.doom9.org, afaik ...

Steve

[MaxT]

doom9.net could be used as a temp. solution ;) thnx for the tip.

[KpeX]

Originally posted by MaxT
Uh dude, I was talking about deprecated elements, usability and userfriendlyness... And you're explaining me the way I have to do it (the way I already use because of no alternatives, duh). I'm aware of that. My point was that something that takes ~2 seconds to fix is not a serious impact on user friendliness.


And I'm pretty sure http and www are not deprecated. I read the sites you linked to and I think they confuse deprecation with redundance. The http prefix may not be necessary in a browser environment but its use is certainly valid.

[MaxT]

Whole point of this thread was why not use doom9.org when it's not used anyway (that green page "There is no website configured at this address."). Doom9 have already explained the reason and that's a pretty good explanation why it's not used.

As for those ~2 seconds. Time is not a matter, but deprecated elements, usability and userfriendliness are (for me at least as *I*'ve started this thread, ok? If it's not for you, then I'm glad for you).

About deprecated elements. <font> <applet> <center> <u> <strike> etc html tags are deprecated too. But they are still widely used on the Internet and supported by browsers (old and modern as well). That doesn't justifies their use tho'.

[fewtch]

Originally posted by MaxT
About deprecated elements. <font> <applet> <center> <u> <strike> etc html tags are deprecated too. But they are still widely used on the Internet and supported by browsers (old and modern as well). That doesn't justifies their use tho'.
IMO what justifies use is "supply and demand." If web designers are wanting to use the tags you mentioned, and browser companies wanting to support them, then it's perfectly justified. As web designers lose interest, things gradually fall out of favor... thus the web evolves, and on nobody's timetable.

Same as with human language, do you hear anyone talking in "standard" English (as standardized by some authority or some textbook)?

[MaxT]

Originally posted by fewtch
IMO what justifies use is "supply and demand." If web designers are wanting to use the tags you mentioned, and browser companies wanting to support them, then it's perfectly justified.
As you see, sir, web designers (here I'll talk for myself) HATES to use deprecated tags but are FORCED to do so cause some g*y browser (no names sigh) sitting on the 90% of the marked haven't been updated for the last 3 years. New modern browsers like FF/Mozilla would drop support of old deprecated tags if not that lame browser called (can't resist it) IE that can't even support CSS2 properly. Every time I make a site I blame IE as much as I can because my code have to have so-called hacks and I have to make it compatible with IE (EVEN if I have to write buggy code exploting some errors in IE's engine). All because of MS's monopol on browser marked. So every time I'm working on a site, I spent more time to make it compatible with buggy IE instead of actually working on the design/content etc...

[Shinigami-Sama]

lol
yeah know I can't reinstall IE so I'm shafted with errors all the time for stupid progs still wnting
and I'm forced to wait for it to m$ to update the stupid thing so I can have it again
anyways
the best thing to do about this
bookmark hte damed site :p
I raely use my addy bar anymore
I find it next to usless

[Cyberman]

Originally posted by MaxT
About deprecated elements. <font> <applet> <center> <u> <strike> etc html tags are deprecated too.

But for these there is a standard, saying that they´re deprecated. Is there someone defining a standard saying that www is deprecated as well?
Besides, I think it looks better with the www .

As for http - how can that be deprecated, when it´s the only thing identifying the used protocol? That´s like saying that "content-type" is useless because everyones using HTML and UTF-8.

BTW, these sites hardly work in IE. They should be at least usable, but half the text is unreadable.