Total Recall Special Edition PAL WMV HD DVD to XviD HD

[freaky_00]

I am trying to recode the PAL WMV HD to an XviD HD so my XBOX is able to play it (it has difficulties with WMV HD because its processor is TOO slow!!!). I tested the MEET THE PARENTS DivX HD Trailer available here (http://www.divx.com/hd/) which runs fine off the HDD.

I used FitCD to create an .avs file (and deleted the resize lines because FitCD does not know HD and always tries to resize it to DVD size) and used virtualdubmod to make an XviD out of it!!! I don't know why but the actual size of the movie is 1280x692instead of 720!!! I guess it is because it has an AR of 1:1.85. All worked fine and now I have a 3.6GB XviD BUT I can not extract the sound of the WMV HD. It consists of the german and englisch AC3 and is in WMA Professional 9 Format.

So I thought of using the AC3 which is on the main dvd. The funny thing is that the AC3 from the main dvd is too long (The main dvd has this TRISTAR intro which isn't on the WMV HD version!!! The WMV HD version directly starts with the CAROLCO symbol). Now I used virtualdubmod to count the frames and see the timecode when the WMV HD starts. It is exactly 18s and 450 frames later. After searching for AC3 tools which could help here I used the INTERLEAVE feature of virtualdubmod. Some testing and I found -19000ms to be perfect!!! BUT as I previewed my resulting 4,7GB movie I encountered another problem. The sound is PERFECTLY sync at the beginning but gets async (audio comes before picture) towards the end. After reviewing in virtualdubmod I saw that BOTH sound files now are 1:48:17.992 and the movie is 1:48:19.000. I don't know if this little difference is the cause of the audio being async but I think it is. My problem is that I can not find a tool which stretches the AC3 to a desired length. Neither have I found a tool which makes 6 mono waves out of the AC3 file (which could be easily edited in any audio tool). But to preserve AC3 I need such a tool as mentioned above.


Now there is 3 Options:

One of you could name a tool which is able to do that
Or one of you could delight me in how to extract BOTH sound tracks of the WMV HD
Or no one can help me!!!

Please if anyone of you knows how to solve my problem please post!

[Mentalmummy]

I`ll try, I assume you have a "special" xbox ;)

Easiest way is get the main movie on your hard drive. Use the free program DVD decrypter, if you want to make it very easy copy and paste this line into a command window (dos console) and it will run the program and rip only the movie and the audio along with it:

"C:\program files\dvddecrypter.exe /mode ifo /src D: /start /close /split none /dest C: /files movie"

That`ll give you one big vob file on your main hard drive (C).

Just open this up in VirtualDubMod. From the VIDEO menu choose COMPRESSION and set up your xvid encoder then click SAVEAVI from FILE menu and save.

Easy :)

You may want to resize with a virtualdubmod filter to something like 352x576 and deinterlace but the program has all these filters built in its filters section.

Dave

[Sharktooth]

It's a WMV HD DVD. It's quite different from a standard DVD...

[freaky_00]

I already have made an XviD out of the WMV HD (High Definition)!!! I just need help with the audio. I can't find a tool to extract the AC3 from the WMV and the AC3 from the normal DVD won't fit!!!

[Mentalmummy]

If Virtualdub can`t help can`t you just use the longer audio but set a delay in the video so the video starts x amount of seconds later?

You can import the ac3 file and video into the freeware app called AVI_Mux GUI.

Set the delay, then just mux the two together in it and you should be fine. I don`t know if it will delay video and audio but could be worth a try.

Dave

[works]

Originally posted by freaky_00
I already have made an XviD out of the WMV HD (High Definition)!!! I just need help with the audio. I can't find a tool to extract the AC3 from the WMV and the AC3 from the normal DVD won't fit!!!

You won't find AC3 track from the WMV HD DVD as far as I know. The audio should be in WMA Pro (multichannel) format. I'v succeeded extracting audio (just stereo) from .wmv files with dbpoweramp (http://www.dbpoweramp.com/dmc.htm). Try if it can tell the difference between the two tracks, or will it just convert the first , the german one.

Oh, and do remember to install the required codec packs for the dbpoweramp from the same page.

[Slogra]

Maybe the WMV is 24fps while the DVD is 23.976fps. That would explain the desync at the end....

If that's the case, just set the speed of your new avi to 23.976 and mux the ac3.

[freaky_00]

@Works

Sorry with AC3 I meant 5.1 Audio which is really encoded in Windows Media Pro Format. That was my fault in expressing myself, SORRY!!!

W.i.n.d.o.w.s. .M.e.d.i.a. .A.u.d.i.o. .9. .P.r.o.f.e.s.s.i.o.n.a.l...0.4.4.0. .k.b.p.s.,. .4.8. .k.H.z.,. .5...1. .c.h.a.n.n.e.l. .2.4. .b.i.t. .2.-.p.a.s.s. .V.B.R.....b.....W.i.n.d.o.w.s. .M.e.d.i.a. .V.i.d.e.o. .9.....P.r.o.f.e.s.s.i.o.n.a.l.....WMV3....G

dBpowerAMP does Recognize only one Track! I would love to have a tool which EXTRACTS the audio without converting it. Like demuxxing.

@Slogra

The main DVD is 25FPS since I am from Germany and this is a german release of the movie. FitCD assumes it to be a 25FPS. I already tried 24fps but not very intensely. I will try to get the synching to work since no one knows of a TOOL to demux both tracks!!!

Right now I am trying to make a wave 5.1 with dBpowerAMP.

[freaky_00]

dbPowerAMP didn't work. It transcoded the first track of the 2 audio tracks!!!

Does no one know of a tool able to handle simple extraction or demuxxing???

[Mentalmummy]

There may be one way to do it.

Windows can use DirectShow filters to decode video, audio and so on. This then makes any Windows app able to play or use the video or audio.

If you have a directshow filter for your dvd`s audio type then you should find that you can extract it by loading the vob into VirtualDubMod and simply demux the audio or save it as a wav.

Alternatively you may find that software like bbdemux could demux the video and audio.

Failing that what about using avisynth, writing a simple avisynth script that just imports the vobs via DirectShowSource?

It is the only things I can suggest but I`m not an expert, but most of the people here are much more qualified to answer than me and maybe they can help better :)

[Mentalmummy]

Maybe this thread http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75606&highlight=windows+and+media+and+nine+and+demux can help?

It discusses some wmv stream editing software.

[freaky_00]

The forum link was superb!!! Didn't know why I haven't found it!?! I am right now demuxxing and will tell you if the result is good!!!

[freaky_00]

Extraction/Demuxxing worked!!! Now I have those 2 Multichannel files and I need to convert them to AC3 and found an interesting thread concerning this problem here! (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71003)

[Elias]

I refuse to buy DVD editions with WMV HD on them. I think everyone else should too in order to force movie companies like Warner Brothers etc to stop using WMV HD. HD is nice, but use DivX/XviD instead of WMV for crying out loud. Well, that's just my opinion anyway.

[Mentalmummy]

I usually use normal dvd films and xvid so what are these hd ones with WMV. I assume they don`t play in normal dvd players?

Dumb question but where I am we don`t even have HD tv as such yet, coming in this year apparently so not quite sure about the DVD side of things.

[freaky_00]

I don't think there will be a lot of people buying this Total Recall copy in germany because this title is "INDIZIERT" which means its rated FSK18 (you have to be 18 to watch, buy, rent, ...) and it is not allowed to even advertise or show this article wherever people under 18 could see them!!!

@Elias

Well I don't know what you have against WMV This is a very good format but most hardware doesn't support it. If you refer to DRM you are right. We should absolutely fight against it if we can but I am pretty sure if WMV HD will be the standard some smart guys will do some magic apps that will circumvent this DRM poop.

@Mentalmummy

I assume you are not from the US (neither am I) but TV stations in the US air almost every show like CSI (everyone should know this show) in HDTV. HD stands for HIGH DEFINITION and there are 2 different sizes: 720p (p = progressive) and 1080i (i = interlaced). 720p has a size of 1280x720 and 1080i has one of 1920x1080. They use the Microsoft Windows Media Format because it is the only one right now which interacts perfectly with the Digital Rights Management. There is really nothing to say against WMV except that you have to get a license to play the wmv (I don't know why I was able to convert it in the first place because I canceled every window that opened!!!). In fact there is one DVD Player which I have read about which is able to play WMVs and there should be sound systems supporting WMA 5.1 sound. And I am pretty sure where you live there is TVs which support HDTV. Ever heard of Plasma???

[Elias]

Originally posted by freaky_00
@Elias

Well I don't know what you have against WMV This is a very good format but most hardware doesn't support it. If you refer to DRM you are right. We should absolutely fight against it if we can but I am pretty sure if WMV HD will be the standard some smart guys will do some magic apps that will circumvent this DRM poop.Dude, It's Micro$oft, do I need to say more? The DRM isn't even the issue here. Well, I don't like DRM either, but the fact that it's a Micro$oft is more than enough reason for me to NEVER use it.

[Mentalmummy]

Yes I have heard of Plasma tv`s but haven`t seen any that claim to support hdtv here, just normal 4:3 and widescreen :)

I understand that is essentially a higher resolution than dvd, but regarding the fact that it uses wmv I would have thought that they could have used Xvid quite easily.

You can rip HD using Xvid, as I read some of the people here already do, and I think it`s a shame Xvid isn`t more widely used as I much prefer the quality to other codecs I`ve seen used and I think it`s the only one with the better GMC?

I have nothing against WMV myself but the DRM technology from Microsoft is a no no for me, there`s some bad stuff it can be used to do but I`m getting off the topic here and this is the Xvid forum.

[freaky_00]

Well I just chose XviD because it is free and my XBOX' CPU isn't fast enough to watch WMV HD!!! DivX HD was perfectly playable so recoding to XviD was my intention. I would not recode if my XBOX was capable of playing WMV HD properly.

[KaiserS]

Originally posted by Mentalmummy
I understand that is essentially a higher resolution than dvd, but regarding the fact that it uses wmv I would have thought that they could have used Xvid quite easily.

They could have, but they could have easily chosen one of 100s of codecs to use. They chose WMV because of Microsoft's DRM, plain and simple.

[MaXiMuS]

Originally posted by freaky_00
I am trying to recode the PAL WMV HD to an XviD HD so my XBOX is able to play it (it has difficulties with WMV HD because its processor is TOO slow!!!). I tested the MEET THE PARENTS DivX HD Trailer available here (http://www.divx.com/hd/) which runs fine off the HDD.

I used FitCD to create an .avs file (and deleted the resize lines because FitCD does not know HD and always tries to resize it to DVD size) and used virtualdubmod to make an XviD out of it!!! I don't know why but the actual size of the movie is 1280x692instead of 720!!! I guess it is because it has an AR of 1:1.85. All worked fine and now I have a 3.6GB XviD BUT I can not extract the sound of the WMV HD. It consists of the german and englisch AC3 and is in WMA Professional 9 Format.

So I thought of using the AC3 which is on the main dvd. The funny thing is that the AC3 from the main dvd is too long (The main dvd has this TRISTAR intro which isn't on the WMV HD version!!! The WMV HD version directly starts with the CAROLCO symbol). Now I used virtualdubmod to count the frames and see the timecode when the WMV HD starts. It is exactly 18s and 450 frames later. After searching for AC3 tools which could help here I used the INTERLEAVE feature of virtualdubmod. Some testing and I found -19000ms to be perfect!!! BUT as I previewed my resulting 4,7GB movie I encountered another problem. The sound is PERFECTLY sync at the beginning but gets async (audio comes before picture) towards the end. After reviewing in virtualdubmod I saw that BOTH sound files now are 1:48:17.992 and the movie is 1:48:19.000. I don't know if this little difference is the cause of the audio being async but I think it is. My problem is that I can not find a tool which stretches the AC3 to a desired length. Neither have I found a tool which makes 6 mono waves out of the AC3 file (which could be easily edited in any audio tool). But to preserve AC3 I need such a tool as mentioned above.


Now there is 3 Options:

One of you could name a tool which is able to do that
Or one of you could delight me in how to extract BOTH sound tracks of the WMV HD
Or no one can help me!!!

Please if anyone of you knows how to solve my problem please post!

Slightly OT

i am tryin` to do same with T2 (terminator2) WMV-HD (NTSC) please post some more info about transcoding WMV-HD to XviD/DivX

thanx

[freaky_00]

First of all get FitCD to generat some kind of .avs script. Mine looke like this:

# -= AviSynth v2.5.5.0 script by FitCD v1.2.4 =-
DirectShowSource("I:\TOTAL_RECALL_XviD_HD\total_recall.wmv",fps=25)


FitCD would add some crap to it but all you need is the above. Just change the path and fps to match your WMV HD [23.976? FitCD should say that I think] (I recommend copying it to the hdd before recoding).

After that you can load the .avs either in VirtualDub or VirtualDubMod and make an XviD out of it. My first pass was like 1h20min. and the second one about 10-11h! Calculate how much the audio will take from a DVD5 and subtract it from the DVD5 Size. Now use that number and multiply it by 8 (1 Byte = 8 bits). Now simply divide this number by the seconds the movie has (FitCD will tell you in the upper part of its window). This would be the maximum bitrate for XviD.

Remember that I never started the player that automatically starts when you insert the disc. You may come across some DRM crap but I don't know why everything worked so smothely for me.

If you are done with the video you have to do the audio. Download this (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9series/encoder/default.aspx) and use the Windows Media Stream Editor. Extract the audio (if more than one you have to do them seperately!). Now get foobar2000 and read some posts here!!! (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71003)

I just have to do the audio conversion and I should be done. Now just muxx it with VirtualDubMod or AviMux and you should be done.