mp4UI compliant mp4 files?

[Elias]

I've encoded avi files with DivX/XviD video and no audio. When I import the avi into mp4UI and export it to the mp4 container, it doesn't work in Quicktime and MPC. But it works great in VLC. Am I doing something wrong?

[Elias]

Ops, sorry for posting in the wrong forum. Forgot to change to the container forum.

[bond]

quicktime only supports mpeg-4 simple profile streams (this means no b-frames, no qpel, no gmc, no mpeg/custom quants and of course no avc...)
also it doesnt support mp3/mp2 audio in .mp4, but only aac

about media player classic: what splitter/parser do you use? 3ivx, nero, moonlight...
what doesnt work exactly, what error message do you get?

[Elias]

Originally posted by bond
quicktime only supports mpeg-4 simple profile streams (this means no b-frames, no qpel, no gmc, no mpeg/custom quants and of course no avc...)
also it doesnt support mp3/mp2 audio in .mp4, but only aac

about media player classic: what splitter/parser do you use? 3ivx, nero, moonlight...
what doesnt work exactly, what error message do you get? I know that about Quicktime, and I din't use b-frames/gmc/qpel/mpeg or anything else that isn't allowed. I use the nero splitter and the latest ffdshow build to decode the MPEG-4 files. I don't use mp3 audio or anything else except for aac. But when testing, I haven't added audio. In quicktime, all that happens is that the file opens, and after that not much more happens, I can't play it because the entire player isn't showing, just the movie info window. After that, I have to shut down QT through task manager. In VLC it works great. In Platform4Player, it works, but no picture is showing, just black. I just tried it with MPC and it worked great too this time. I then tried it with the QuickTime renderer, and it just didn't play. The player did not freeze or anything, just didn't play, even though it said Playing in the statusfield.

[bond]

can you upload a short sample of the file in .avi plz :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

It sounds as though you are seeing QuickTime players, "white screen of death" ;)

This is a known issue when muxing Mpeg4/SP and AAC-LC streams with mp4UI, I'm afraid.

Bond can't replicate the problem because he has 3ivx installed :)


Cheers

[bond]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
This is a known issue when muxing Mpeg4/SP and AAC-LC streams with mp4UI, I'm afraid.hm whats causing this? o_O

Bond can't replicate the problem because he has 3ivx installed :)its not hard to uninstall 3ivx ;)

[Elias]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
It sounds as though you are seeing QuickTime players, "white screen of death" ;)

This is a known issue when muxing Mpeg4/SP and AAC-LC streams with mp4UI, I'm afraid.

Bond can't replicate the problem because he has 3ivx installed :)


Cheers No, that's not the issue here. It just isn't showing anything at all. I'll upload the file now.

[Elias]

Here it is, 2.79 mb at your disposal ;)

[Elias]

Originally posted by Elias
Here it is, 2.79 mb at your disposal ;) That's weird, I really uploaded the file. Did I do anything wrong? Oh, maximum 2 mb. Hang on.

[Elias]

bond, do you have Gmail? I can send it to you through Gmail. It ain't working here.

[SeeMoreDigital]

So Elias,

Are you saying you don't even get this far with QuickTime player: -

http://img183.exs.cx/img183/9985/qtwsod5ij.gif


Cheers

[Elias]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
So Elias,

Are you saying you don't even get this far with QuickTime player: -

http://img183.exs.cx/img183/9985/qtwsod5ij.gif


Cheers That's right.

[Elias]

Here's the avi.

[Elias]

Originally posted by Elias
Here's the avi. Darn, still not working :@

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Elias
Here's the avi. Well there's your problem... It's an .AVI

QuickTime player does not support Mpeg4 video in the .AVI container. Only in .MOV and .MP4 containers!


Cheers

[Elias]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Well there's your problem... It's an .AVI

QuickTime player does not support Mpeg4 video in the .AVI container. Only in .MOV and .MP4 containers!


Cheers NO! bond wanted me to upload the avi before importing it to mp4UI. I'm trying to upload the avi and mp4 here, both in zip files, but they're apparently too large or something.

[Elias]

Last try.

[Elias]

Seriously, am I doing anything wrong whhen uploading? Can I mail you the files bond?

[SeeMoreDigital]

You can email me your .AVI file too if you want....

Just send it (zipped or un-zipped) to SeeMoreDigital@msn.com


Cheers

[bond]

elias plz dont write a new post everytime, you can edit your last one!

too big attachments are not allowed, thats why your file doesnt work. can you upload it somewhere (i dont have gmail)?

[Elias]

Originally posted by bond
elias plz dont write a new post everytime, you can edit your last one!

too big attachments are not allowed, thats why your file doesnt work. can you upload it somewhere (i dont have gmail)? Sorry, I'm still a newbie on the forum. Anyway, you don't need gmail, I've encoded smaller sized versions now. What mail do you want me to send 'em to?

[Sharktooth]

Bond if you need a gmail i can "invite" you...

[Elias]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
Bond if you need a gmail i can "invite" you... Same here :)

[Sharktooth]

i have only 1 invite left...
btw, PM me a valid email and i will send the invite there.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Okay Elias,

I've tested both your files. Both the "video only" Mpeg4 .AVI and the Mpeg4 .MP4, files play fine using Nero's ShowTime player.

However, I can confirm that your Mpeg4 .MP4 file is "completely" b0rked in QuickTime :eek:

Happily, I was able to use mp4UI to create a working Mpeg4 .MP4 file but, as mentioned previously... it too is "slightly" b0rked.

http://img191.exs.cx/img191/7933/snap11cq.gif

But... "slightly" is better than "completely" :D

I do hope Markus (mp4UI's creator) will fix this annoying issue!


Cheers

[bond]

edit: hm now tried it myself with a SP file and it also doesnt work (crash in quicktime.qts file) :(
no difference if 3ivx installed or not

same with elias' files

[SeeMoreDigital]

For all those who want to look at Elias's samples for themselves, here (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/Elias_Files.zip) they are!
Originally posted by bond
edit: hm now tried it myself with a SP file and it also doesnt work (crash in quicktime.qts file) :( EDIT: :eek:


Cheers

[bond]

nice video, elias :D

as mp4ui is based on mpeg4ips mp4creator i tried muxing with latest mp4creator:
1) when muxing from .avi to .mp4 directly in mp4creator the files work fine in qt
2) when extracting the video to raw with avi2raw and than importing it with mp4creator, the resulting file plays fine in qt too

so mp4ui needs to be updated to latest mpeg4ip sources :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
nice video, elias :D

as mp4ui is based on mpeg4ips mp4creator i tried muxing with latest mp4creator:
1) when muxing from .avi to .mp4 directly in mp4creator the files work fine in qt
2) when extracting the video to raw with avi2raw and than importing it with mp4creator, the resulting file plays fine in qt too

so mp4ui needs to be updated to latest mpeg4ip sources :) Jeez... and I've only been telling people about this problem for nearly a year :eek:

This is why I had to use 3ivx and GraphEdit to generate all my Mpeg4/AAC .MP4 streaming encodes....

But I've since found that although Windows PC's like Mpeg4/AAC .MP4 muxes generated using 3ivx/GraphEdit, MAC's don't!

Like I said before... I hope Markus can fix it :)


Cheers

[Elias]

Originally posted by bond
nice video, elias :D

as mp4ui is based on mpeg4ips mp4creator i tried muxing with latest mp4creator:
1) when muxing from .avi to .mp4 directly in mp4creator the files work fine in qt
2) when extracting the video to raw with avi2raw and than importing it with mp4creator, the resulting file plays fine in qt too

so mp4ui needs to be updated to latest mpeg4ip sources :) Hehe, yeah Capcom rules when it comes to 2D Beat 'em up. I guess so, because mp4UI is a great tool and really a nice alternative to Nero Digital. So it's a shame to see this problem, really. I hope that he updates it. By the way, I used Simple L0 profile in XviD; no b-frames or anything like that, so theoretically, it should work just fine with mp4UI.

Just for the record, this isn't an XviD bug, I get the same issue with DivX4/5/3ivX/latest ffdshow/any compliant MPEG-4 codec.

[yaz]

afaik, the very last release of mp4ui includes mp4ip.1.1.x. now we have mp4ip.1.2.5. imho, it's a significant difference. use the latest mp4ip, it will do. at least it worx fine for me (w/your samples too :-))
the bests
y

[Elias]

Originally posted by yaz
afaik, the very last release of mp4ui includes mp4ip.1.1.x. now we have mp4ip.1.2.5. imho, it's a significant difference. use the latest mp4ip, it will do. at least it worx fine for me (w/your samples too :-))
the bests
y Where can I get a fully working binary of mp4IP? I can't find anything except the source code :(

[celtic_druid]

http://www.aziendeassociate.it/cd.asp?dir=/mpeg4iptools

[Elias]

Originally posted by celtic_druid
http://www.aziendeassociate.it/cd.asp?dir=/mpeg4iptools Once again, I've checked those, they're commandlines or whatever you want to call them, and I don't have a clue whatsoever how to use 'em :(

[Yong]

1. Go to RUN, type cmd.
2. drag the mp4creator60.exe(if you are using mpeg4iptools) to the command prompt window.
3. then press enter, it sholud print out an information about the switch and help info.:)
Goodluck
Bye;)

[bond]

the attachments have now been validated, it seems it took some time till they showed up in the mod panel