Bad picture quality

[zeiv]

Ripped DVD (Live AID concert) with Decrypter, and than
done it with rebuilder (0.70, avisynth 2.5, CCE 2.5).
Here's ini file

[Paths]
Source=F:\ZELE\LIVE AID 1\
Working=F:\ZELE\LIVE AID 1A\
CCEBasic=C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\Cinema Craft Encoder SP\cctsp.exe
MPEG2DEC=C:\Program Files\dvdrebuilder\DGDecode.dll
CCENEW=C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\Cinema Craft Encoder SP\cctsp.exe
CCE250=C:\Program Files\EdCCE 17b\EclCCE.exe
Output=F:\ZELE\LIVE AID 1A\
[Options]
EncoderMinimized=0
CCE=0
LoadPlugin=1
AudioDub=0
idct7Opt=0
OneClick=1
NoWarn=1
Completed=5
DynamicBitrate=1
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=25
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=4
OPV=0
[Audio]
Selected=111111

After everything is done, picture quality was bad, quite blocky esspecially around the edges.
Then I tried decrypter and dvd2one and final result was better.
I know it shouldn't be so, cause as I heard rebuilder with CCE gives the best results, but there's something wrong here.
Can you help me?

[TheSeeker]

Was there any extras on it? Because as I remember it dvd2one is movie only isnt it? So maybe the extras were included in the DVD RB version thereby giving less bitrate overall for video. Also if its movie only and there is a big menu file that could make a difference. And what audio tracks are on the dvd? Is there an LPCM track? I know those are huge. You may want to try removing the LPCM and going with the DD 5.1 track if there is one.

[zeiv]

In both cases I encoded whole dvd (around 8Gb). So picture with rebuilder/CCE should be much better than with dvd2one.

[TheSeeker]

Sure, it SHOULD be better but I dont know all the details. I will say again if the menus are really big on this dvd then that could be a problem as dvd rb does NOT reencode menus. YOu would have to run the movie through dvd shrink first to compress menus. If the menus arent big at all then Im not sure what to tell you except to remove anything and everything you dont need. Extras, audio tracks, whatever to gain more bitrate for the main movie. You dont have half d1 enabled or steal space from extras or anything like that enabled in DVD RB do you? Your right though. DVD2one shouldnt even be close in quality to DVDRB CCE combo. As i think dvd2one is a transcoder is it not? I noticed from your .ini file that you are using version 1.71b of eclcce. If this is correct you may want to try the newest one out. I think its up to 1.81 or something. Not sure if that would make any difference at all though. Let me know all the settings you have enabled in dvd rb. I guess you could also try some light filtering. Maybe an undot() or undot().deen().

[jdobbs]

You may want to make sure you are doing a one-to-one comparison. If you are keeping the LPCM track (which I would assume exists) -- I can guarantee you that neither DVD-RB nor DVD2ONE will give you a decent picture. There is just too much data to fit on a DVD-5. If you remove the LPCM -- I'm sure DVD-RB would do a decent job.

I would be wildly surprised (an understatement) if DVD2ONE could ever come close to CCE encoded output under any circumstances.

[TheSeeker]

Thats precisely what I was thinking Jdobbs. How could dvd2one ever even come close to the same quality as cce assuming your keeping everything? I dont think it could.

[marpada]

It depends a lot of the menus size.
If there is a 1Gb menu and a transcoder can compress it 50%, it has 500Mb more than rebuilder to encode video.

That's why it's important DVD-RB could recode menus ;)


Originally posted by TheSeeker
Thats precisely what I was thinking Jdobbs. How could dvd2one ever even come close to the same quality as cce assuming your keeping everything? I dont think it could.

[jptheripper]

just as a side note.. i would generally be happy with a transcoded menu and a cce'd movie.. i wonder if that would be easier?

[TheSeeker]

@jptheripper

Are you talking about jdobbs making dvd rb capable of compressing menus? I would think that tweaking his code so cce could process the menu files would be a hell of a lot easier than him coding an entire transcoding engine just for the menus... not sure though... just seems like it would be way easier.

EDIT:

Originally posted by marpada
It depends a lot of the menus size.
If there is a 1Gb menu and a transcoder can compress it 50%, it has 500Mb more than rebuilder to encode video.

That's why it's important DVD-RB could recode menus ;)

I dont know about this. even if the menus are 1gb (that would be crazy but its possible) you would save around 500 mb maybe right? That would still only give like a 6 percent increase in compression ratio. I dont know if that would be enough to make the dvd2one version so much better than the CCE one. The way he talks is that the difference is like night and day. I think he just needs to cut out the LPCM audio and he should be good.

[marpada]

That's what I'm doing now, try to compress the menu with NumMenu4U or DVDShrink, but hey, that's a preprocessed DVD.

I'm having problems trying to backup U2 Best of, about 1Gb menus and audio PCM only :scared:

I guess the reason dvd-rb doesn't reencode menues yes it's because it's not easy copy the buttons/commands. Am I wrong?

Originally posted by jptheripper
just as a side note.. i would generally be happy with a transcoded menu and a cce'd movie.. i wonder if that would be easier? :scared:

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by marpada
It depends a lot of the menus size.
If there is a 1Gb menu and a transcoder can compress it 50%, it has 500Mb more than rebuilder to encode video.

That's why it's important DVD-RB could recode menus ;) The problem is that everything takes work. Menus that are that big are so rare that they are virtually non-existent... so spending a lot of time on a rarity only detracts from the important issues. Like I said before, that's in the queue of "to-dos" but it is low on the priority list.

[zeiv]

I think that problem should be somewhere in the settings, but can't find it.
I did Dream Theater DVD, which I had to split in two with any other encoder, but with rebuilder it came fine on one DVD.
I didn't change settings, tried encoding Beatles Anthology and Live Aid concert, and picture is bad. Tried same dvds with dvd2one, and "even" dvdshrink, and picture was better!!!?????!!!!!

I tried even 0.66a version (settings: converttoyuv2, audiodub, mpeg2source, dynamicly assign cells, CCE2.50, 25/20/3) and here's ini
[Options]
idct7Opt=1
AudioDub=1
CCE=0
Skin=Windows Standard
OneClick=1
Completed=5
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=25
Quality_prec=20
eclPasses=3
[Paths]
CCE250=C:\Program Files\EdCCE 17b\EclCCE.exe
MPEG2DEC=C:\Program Files\dvdrebuilder\DGDecode.dll
Source=E:\IBRICA_JUSIC\VIDEO_TS\
Working=E:\IBRICA\

Picture is very blocky, esspecially around the edges, horrible.
Any ideas?

[TheSeeker]

Just a question... did you read the above posts AT ALL? Because in them we gave several options available to you to try and improve quality. First of all try encoding the menus first in shrink (Leaving everything else at NO COMPRESSION) then running the resulting files through rebuilder. Also try cutting out any audio tracks that you dont need (especially any LPCM tracks that my be present as these take up a huge amount of space.) What Im trying to get at is sometimes the only choice you have (if you want decent video quality) is to cut out everything that you dont NEED. Or you could split it and put it onto two dvd's.

[DD51]

I have this 4 DVD collection...


The whole DVD is:
7974MB
it has 3 audio channels:
DTS 795MB
AC3 2C 267MB
AC3 5.1C 471MB
Menu is 206MB
Extra is 822MB

That's why it looks terrible!

:rolleyes:

The picture quality has NOTHING to do with DVD-RB.

Regards,