Test Report: Siemssen(Nero)SCO5000ND

[telemachus]

Hello all.

I bought one and tested it today.

The fist thing I did was to test it using the CD which Bond kindly created and here are the results of that:

in the folders Bond called:

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AUDIO:

multichannel file plays well:
aac-lc-5.1_vbr-nero_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4


all these MPEG4 files play well:
aac-he_vbr-nero_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4
aac-he_vbr-nero_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4
aac-he_vbr-nero_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4
aac-lc_cbr-qt_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4
aac-lc_cbr-qt_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4
aac-lc_cbr-qt_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4


video played but no audio on all these:
mp2_2lame_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4
mp2_2lame_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4
mp3-cbr_lame_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4
mp3-cbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4
mp3-cbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4
mp3-vbr_lame_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4
mp3-vbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4
mp3-vbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4

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SPECIAL:

PICTURES:
none of these played, but a "normal CD" with jpg pictures works fine
jpg_mp4box.mp4
png_mp4box.mp4

PRIVATE:
these two showed up as "cannot play this file"
theora_mp4box.mp4
vorbis_mp4box.mp4
alac_itunes.m4a (did not show up in menu)

SUBTITLES:
timedtext_mp4box.mp4 NO SUB SHOWN
vobsub_sp-3ivx_3ivx.mp4 NO SUB SHOWN
vobsub_sp-3ivx_mp4ui.mp4 WORKED FINE
"normal" subtitles .sub and .srt work VERY well - the player adds a semi-transparent grey rectangle under the text which is placed at the bottom of the image - NICE!

SYSTEMS
kangaroo.mp4 - "cannot play this file"

XCD
sp_3ivx_mp4box.mp4.dat - image was black, then asif it had played, it returned to the menu.


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VIDEO:

IN ROOT OF VIDEO FOLDER:
asp-adapt_nero_mp4box.mp4 - plays fine
asp-custom_xvid_mp4box.mp4 - "cannot play this file"
asp-gmc-1wp_divx_mp4box.mp4 - plays fine
asp-gmc-3wp_xvid_mp4box.mp4 - image freeze on first frame
asp-mpeg_xvid_mp4box.mp4 - plays fine
asp-qpel_divx_mp4box.mp4 - plays fine
sp_3ivx_mp4box.mp4 - plays fine


ANAMORPHIC:
both play fine
sp-par-ntsc_xvid_mp4box.mp4
sp-par-ntsc_xvid_mp4ui.mp4


AVC:
player freezes and has to be cold restarted
avc-base_nero.mp4

B-FRAMES:
all files play fine
asp-1b-pb_divx_3ivx.mp4
asp-1b-pb_divx_mp4box.mp4
asp-1b-pb_divx_mp4ui.mp4
asp-3b_xvid_3ivx.mp4
asp-3b_xvid_mp4box.mp4
asp-3b_xvid_mp4ui.mp4

CHAPTERS:
both files play fine and can navigate < >
chapters_sp-3ivx_3ivx.mp4
chapters_sp-3ivx_nero-64bitmdat.mp4

MPEG1-2:
none of these files played, usually resulting in a freeze and a need to cold restart.
mpeg1-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4box.mp4
mpeg1-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4ui.mp4
mpeg2-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4box.mp4
mpeg2-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4ui.mp4

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Now for some comments of my own:

MP3 - the player seems to play every MP3 file I have tried, VBR and CBR. The navigation cannot be done while playing, a pity. The LCD does not show folder number, so it is impossible to navigate without the TV on. It shows TAG info one bit at a time, not all at once which I would prefer. It does not show JPG images in the MP3 folder, which the Yamada can do, nice for getting the FEEL of an album!

DVD seems fine with Pal and NTSC (region 1) disks I have, despite saying it is set for region 2 (europe) and 0 (worldwide) only. Dont think it shows as much info as I am used to on my old Pioneer, time left, bit rate etc... but i tried about 10 disks and no problems at all. Not sure if the copy protection is working either - since it seems zone free!

The tray is very flimsy and the CD only comes out about 75%, and there are no indents to lift the CD out, so you have to poke it out from underneath the tray - very stupid design!

It plays almost every disk I have, except a few. Most baffling are ones where it plays the audio on one part of the movie and not on the second. From what I can see in GSpot, the codecs are identical. I have had video but no audio with disks containing:

0x0055(MP3) ID'd as MPEG-1 Layer 3
127 kb/s (63/ch, stereo) VB
48000 Hz

and

ac3 (0x2000) Dolby Laboratories, Inc
448 kb/s (6 ch) CBR
48000 Hz

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I dont know what these results mean, if it is better than average, great, ok... but it does seem to play more disks than my brother's Yamada. What do you pro's think?

Later,
Mark.

[bond]

thanks a lot for these results! :)

to sum the .mp4 support up:

regarding mpeg-4 asp features (it doesnt matter what encoder you use, be it divx, xvid, 3ivx, nero...)
the player supports:
- qpel
- gmc 1wp (as used in divx5)
- mpeg quantisation
- h263 quantisation
- adaptive quantisation
the player doesnt support:
- gmc 3wp (as used in xvid and nerodigital)
- custom quantisation (sample uses hvs_best matrix)

regarding audio, the player supports
- only aac audio in .mp4
- multichannel aac audio streams!!!

regarding other .mp4 features:
it doesnt support:
- pictures in .mp4, altough it supports playback of jpg not in .mp4
- mp2 audio in .mp4, altough it supports playback of mp2 in .mpg
- mp3 audio in .mp4, altough it supports playback of mp3 not in .mp4
- mpeg-1 video in .mp4, altough it supports playback of mpeg-1 in .mpg
- mpeg-2 video in .mp4, altough it supports playback of mpeg-2 in .mpg
- mpeg-4 avc in .mp4
- mpeg-4 timed text
- mpeg-4 systems

regarding different .mp4 muxers:
- all tested, mp4box, 3ivx, mp4ui, nero, worked fine (of course as they all should produce the same mpeg-4 compliant output)
- the player also seems to support packed bitstream in .mp4, as produced by mp4ui on the b-frame divx sample

other things:
- it doesnt support the .m4a extension as used by apple's itunes
- it doesnt support XCD
- it supports vobsub subtitles (as used by nero)
- it supports chapters (also if set via nero's dshow muxer in graphedit!)

[bond]

Originally posted by telemachus
ANAMORPHIC:
both play fine
sp-par-ntsc_xvid_mp4box.mp4
sp-par-ntsc_xvid_mp4ui.mp4yep, they play fine, but the important question here is whether they play with the right aspect ratio?

the video has this size: |---|
but during playback it should be resized to this: |------|

is that the case?

[Lord_KiRon]

Very interesting tests covers almost everithing in .mp4 area .
Where I can get such "Bond CD" btw ?

[bond]

Originally posted by Lord_KiRon
Where I can get such "Bond CD" btw ?have a look here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=594994#post594994) :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

This is all very encouraging news!

So chapter seeking, vobsub subtitles and (hopefully) 6Ch AAC audio appears to work.... great :D

Request:
Hi bond, can you either put a link to your "MP4 Test CD v2" in this thread. Or merge this thread into Razorblade2000's original thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86408&perpage=20&pagenumber=1) about this (and hopefully other) NeroDigital compatible players?


Cheers

[bond]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Hi bond, can you either put a link to your "MP4 Test CD v2" in this thread.i already linked to it above :)

Or merge this thread into Razorblade2000's original thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86408&perpage=20&pagenumber=1) about this (and hopefully other) NeroDigital compatible players?i prefer each player getting discussed seperated (or at least regarding their chipset) when it comes to .mp4 support, as different .mp4 players will surely have different issues

[SeeMoreDigital]

You guys are a lot faster at typing than me ;)


Cheers

[telemachus]

hello Bond and others,

I will give it an Anamorphic test when I get home... the only problem I forsee is that my TV automatically switches from 4x3 to 16x9, and it will probably look correct on my TV. I will manually set my TV to 4x3 and see if there is a difference between anamorphic and the regular files. That should work, yes?

i also want to test my brother's Yamada 6600 with your disk later on, just to be sure I did not make a mistake!

till later
mark.

[Lord_KiRon]

Actually link is a bit wrong (on 2 bond posts earlier) but that the same thread so I found the CD link : http://mp4menu.sourceforge.net/download/MP4_TestCD_v2.rar

[bond]

Originally posted by Lord_KiRon
Actually link is a bit wrong (on 2 bond posts earlier)the link is correct for me

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
the link is correct for me Works fine for me also!

Your "MP4 Test CD v2" runs in at 12.8MB. How much MB space does SourceForge let you have. Could you add some more test files?


Cheers

[bond]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Could you add some more test files?nope ;)
i am searching for an alternative server already, thats why i dont want multiple links to the current download location

[telemachus]

Hello Bond

I did another test of anamorphic and as i said it plays full screen on my widescreen TV like any other file, but when I force 4x3 on my TV, the image is horizontally squashed into a 4x3 size, ie there is black on either side of the image on the screen. It is the same with non amamorphic images.

I took the disk to my brother's house to test his Yamada. The yamada could not even SEE ANY of the files! I guess it does not recognize the file extention you gave the files. I tried renaming them to .avi, but when I did that, none of the files would play on his yamada or my siemssen. Why is that, I wonder? Is there something I can do to your files to make them work on his Yamada (which is a pretty tolerant player, so it should be able to play many of your files).

Bond, on a scale of 1-10, where would you place the results I posted as compared to the other players out there?

Ta,

Mark.

[bond]

Originally posted by telemachus
I did another test of anamorphic and as i said it plays full screen on my widescreen TV like any other file, but when I force 4x3 on my TV, the image is horizontally squashed into a 4x3 size, ie there is black on either side of the image on the screen. It is the same with non amamorphic images.dunno what this means
the picture should be resized to 16:9 during playback automatically by the player, just like dvds also get resized to 16:9 during playback by the player (not the tv)

I took the disk to my brother's house to test his Yamada. The yamada could not even SEE ANY of the files! I guess it does not recognize the file extention you gave the files.indeed, the yamada doesnt support .mp4 files

I tried renaming them to .avi, but when I did that, none of the files would play on his yamada or my siemssen. Why is that, I wonder?would you assume that a .mov file would play when renamed to .avi? i hope not
.avi and .mp4 are totally different formats, it makes no sense renaming the extension, as renaming the extension will not create a real .avi out of a .mp4 file (its like when you rename a .txt file to .mp3 and think you can now play it in a mp3 player ;) )

Is there something I can do to your files to make them work on his Yamadano chance, unless the yamada manufacturer releases a firmware update to support .mp4

Bond, on a scale of 1-10, where would you place the results I posted as compared to the other players out there?well it handled what i expected + more (multichannel aac, packed bitstream in .mp4), on the downside there is a lack for mp3/mp2 audio in mp4 and custom matrices should also work

i would give it a 7 or 8

[SeeMoreDigital]

Indeed... more testing needs to be done!

Maybe I should get hold of one of these players to test myself?


Cheers

[bond]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
more testing needs to be done!well my samples are complete (i think :D ), i dont know what else could be tested

[Lord_KiRon]

I heard that MP4 can contain menus too , Is it true ? Does your CD contains files with menus ?
(I have damn KiSS DP-558 and they promised Nero Digital support in next firmware so I hope to test it :) )

[bond]

Originally posted by Lord_KiRon
I heard that MP4 can contain menus too , Is it true ? Does your CD contains files with menus ?menus are enabled with mpeg-4 systems
as a menu would bloat the package (because at least there is the need for the menu video, menu audio, movie video, 2 movie audios...) and i was too lazy to create one, its not included
for completeness there is another mpeg-4 systems sample included, but actually there is no need to test it, as no player supports mpeg-4 systems (it would be a big thing if it does, surely with special announcements, aso...)

I have damn KiSS DP-558 and they promised Nero Digital support in next firmware so I hope to test itit doesnt till now? are you sure? on kiss' hp its promoted already as the nerodigital player...

[Lord_KiRon]

Originally posted by bond
it doesnt till now? are you sure? on kiss' hp its promoted already as the nerodigital player... [/B]

Absolutely sure :(

KiSS very strange company , on the eadge of "vapoware" they anounsed a lot of things but they add/release them much later if it all :(
Few examples :

- With DP-558 they already promote Nero Digital support and "programing" it by sending SMSs - nothing near , they promise it in next firmware but not for sure , may be the one after it.
The player came out with manual saying it has subtitle support and FTP but FTP was added 2 months later , subtitles ... well waiting for next firmware :(
Also .ac3 (both audio files and in AVI) support was added in last firmware or the one before it , not on release ...

- With DP-500 , 2 years ago if not more they promised Winamp playlists support (written in manual) but until today they did not released it :(

Also when they "deliver" any new feature this usualy means very basic functionality , unfinished GUI and a lot of bugs :(

On the other hand they usualy DO deliver after sometime (usualy a lot of time :( ) and I have quete a lot of fun "beta-testing" for them (no it's not my job I just view any KiSS user as beta tester :) ) but what is anoys me a bit usualy devastating expirience for "wife" style :) kind of user .

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
well my samples are complete (i think :D ), i dont know what else could be tested How about encodes with multiple audio AAC-LC tracks (some 2Ch and some 6Ch) and multiple subtitle languages?


Cheers

[telemachus]

Bond,

Why create a test disk using mp4 isnt supported in so many players?

I thought that divx / xvid / avi / mp4 are just "containers" - so why not use a container that is more universal if what you are testing is compatibility with the various codecs and settings?

7-8 out of 10... hmmm, for £100 maybe I could have found a more compatible player. Which players could do what the Siemssen does as well as play mp3 in an mp4 container? I have another 10 days if I want to return it.

Thanks,
Mark.

[Lord_KiRon]

Originally posted by telemachus
Bond,

Why create a test disk using mp4 isnt supported in so many players?



Very simple , because it's MP4 test disk for MP4 players :) , for DivX/XviD there are others but this one for MP4.

[telemachus]

aah,

do you have a link to test divx / xvid and mpeg4 files with an avi extention?

thanks
mark.

[bond]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
How about encodes with multiple audio AAC-LC tracks (some 2Ch and some 6Ch) and multiple subtitle languages?good idea :)
now i just need a sample with two subtitle tracks and two audio tracks :D

Originally posted by telemachus
I thought that divx / xvid / avi / mp4 are just "containers" divx and xvid are not containers, but video compression formats (both following the mpeg-4 standard)

Which players could do what the Siemssen does as well as play mp3 in an mp4 container?none

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
good idea :)
now i just need a sample with two subtitle tracks and two audio tracks :D In that case, here's one (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/ND+6ChAAC+2ChAAC+2NoSubs.zip), that includes multiple chapter seeking too!


Cheers

[bond]

thanks a lot :)

btw was the sample i used in the testcd (harrison ford, etc...) created by you in the first place?
if yes, would it be possible for you to use exactly this sample again for the two audio, two languages sample (using simple profile video (there is a quicktime option in recode for this), to ensure that every player can handle the video)?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
btw was the sample i used in the testcd (harrison ford, etc...) created by you in the first place? No... it was not me!

But I think the 6Ch AAC audio stream you used in one of your sample encodes was mine ;)


Cheers

[bond]

can you plz redo your above encode with the following changes:

plz create two samples:
1) one with two (different language) audio streams and no subtitles!
2) one with two (different language) subtitles and one audio stream!

when encoding both (!) samples make sure to follow the following:
- only use stereo lc-aac audio (not he-aac and multichannel!)
- use vbr audio with 64kbps as target (as i said make sure to no use he-aac!) for keeping the filesize low
- use simple profile mpeg-4 video! (make sure to use the quicktime compatibility tab in recode2, very important!!), so not avc and none of the asp features like qpel, aso (but these will be all automatically disabled when you tick the qt option)
- cut the borders and do correct resizing to 640x...!! no anamorphic resize and no setting of the aspect ratio in recode!
- make the sample very short! 250 frames/10 seconds of talk are clearly enough for testing and keeps the testcd size low
- use a low video bitrate, like 300kbps! thats more than enough for testing

last but not least: dont open the file in mp4ui!
mp4ui changes the original filestructure automatically when opening (!) and might fuck up things...

thanks a lot :)

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
But I think the 6Ch AAC audio stream you used in one of your sample encodes was mine ;)hm actually i encoded every sample myself for being able to be absolutely sure what encoding settings are used (also the 5.1 one, as i have the original ac3 too)
the only exception was the nero encoded sample

[SeeMoreDigital]

Do you require chapter points too?


Cheers

[bond]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Do you require chapter points too?not really, but afaik you cant disable them anyways in recode?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Will these (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/NeroDigital_Test_Encodes_01.zip) be okay?


Cheers

[bond]

thanks a lot :)

may i ask how you created both?

both dont use the 64bit mdat atom, therefore i assume you opened the files in mp4ui, right?
also one file has 1 chapter, but the other one hasnt, i wonder why :confused:

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
thanks a lot :)

may i ask how you created both?

both dont use the 64bit mdat atom, therefore i assume you opened the files in mp4ui, right?
also one file has 1 chapter, but the other one hasnt, i wonder why :confused: They were both created using Recode2 (v2.2.6.1), using the standard tools offered including "Start/End" frame selection.

And sorry, I thought I had uploaded the versions that had not been opened in mp4UI (I was checking the bit-rate).... So please try these (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/NeroDigital_Test_Encodes_02.zip) encodes instead.

I'm glad you noticed that one of them was encoded without chapters, because it is possible to delete all references to chapter points within Recode2 :)


Cheers

[bond]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
[B]They were both created using Recode2 (v2.2.6.1), using the standard tools offered including "Start/End" frame selection."standard tools"? did you tick the quicktime option?

And sorry, I thought I had uploaded the versions that had not been opened in mp4UI (I was checking the bit-rate).... So please try these (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/NeroDigital_Test_Encodes_02.zip) encodes instead.hm, they also show the 32bit atom size, not 64bit as nero normally produces ?

I'm glad you noticed that one of them was encoded without chapters, because it is possible to delete all references to chapter points within Recode2now the chapter is gone? its possible to delete chapters on already existing files in recode?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
"standard tools"? did you tick the quicktime option? Yep!Originally posted by bond hm, they also show the 32bit atom size, not 64bit as nero normally produces ?Neither encode went anywhere near mp4UI or any other tool. So I can't help answer this one!Originally posted by bond
now the chapter is gone? its possible to delete chapters on already existing files in recode? Normally an Mpeg2/DVD source with one or more chapters shows up in Recode2 like this: -

http://img59.exs.cx/img59/4303/recode2chapters9nl.gif

So it's possible to highlight any existing chapters that show up and delete them, like this: -

http://img59.exs.cx/img59/9910/recode2chapters22qq.gif


Cheers

[bond]

nice :)

[telemachus]

hello all,

I have had the SCO5000 for a week now, and have more to report.

I tested it with a lot of the divx and xvid avi files I have copied to CDR and DVD-R. The vast majority played well, a lot better than the Kiss500 I had for a week, but not as good as my brother's lowly Yamada 6600, which could play a few files that I could not, and the Yamdada is a lot more tolerant of the disk it is playing off. I had problems playing back off DVD-R disks which I had burnt at 4x speed, and when I redid them at 2x it played fine. The yamada played the 4x disks fine.

The yamada could also FF with subtitles, but the Siemssen's subs were much more attractive and did not need a firmware up to see subs, and could do .sub and .srt, unklike yamada.

Again, compared to the yamada, siemssen deals with mp3 in a better way, the yamada shows no tag info, only short file name, but on the other hand, the yamada can show cover art in the same folder and also navigate outside the root folder while playing, neither of which the siemssen can do.

On certain files I have noticed the sync drifting out, and pressing Stop then Play sometimes helps.

The pdf files i have read show the siemssen has a Vaddis 8 chip, which is not true. It is a Vaddis 776. I wrote several emails last night to Nero, Zoron and Siemssen, and got a response back Nero already offering my money back If I want it since I said I was buying it partly because of this new Vaddis 8 chip (with 3 warp points and all...??)

The issues I mentioned to them were

1/ when you have a SCART connecter plugged in the back of the player, the RCA stereo audio outputs do not work! They should!!!

2/ Cannot play DVD-RW disks at all (not on the TDK ones I have)

3/ MP3 display on LCD front should display folder number as well as track number

4/ MP3 playback should be able to show the cover art jpg file inside the same folder as the music while the music is playing

5/ MP3 display should not only show one item of information at a time, it would be better if pressing the DISPLAY button gave you an image of the cover as well as all ID3-TAG information.

6/ Cannot play avi files with 3 Warp points

7/ Volume is quite low, even at full level, and should be set to output a bit higher.

8/ Cannot play MP3 and MP2 files which are in a MP4 container.

Now I could add to that the fact that MP4 audio multi channel does not work properly, the surround channels are not working, though and MP4 with two languages and two subtitle tracks can be toggled on the fly using the remote - nice for a director's comment track.

My question is whether to return it. It costs double what the Yamada costs. Of course it can play Mp4, but I dont have a single MP4 file other than the ones on Bond's CD, and am unlikely to be having them anytime soon. By the time they become popular, there will be second and third generation mp4 players to choose from... so wouldnt a cheap Yamada be more sensible now, especially considering it plays more of my AVI files than the Siemssen? (pity about the lousy MP3 display!)

Mark.

[bond]

does the yamada support qpel? i think qpel support is very important as it enhances quality a lot and there are surely more files out there using qpel than gmc (hardly anyone uses gmc)

[telemachus]

hmmm, I have another (600mb!) AVI test cd i have just downloaded which i will take to my brother's place this evening... it does have qpel and gmc tests on it.

thanks for the input bond,
mark

[Lord_KiRon]

Yes , Yamada supports QPel , however I believe that QPel have nothing to do with visual quality (actually if I remember correctly if you enable QPel with same encode setting the quality got worse) it indeed helps compresability , so in theory you can enable QPel and increase bitrate to get same filesize.

Anyway I think the importance of QPel support on hardware players is more from "playability" side , if you get QPel encode and your player can't play it ... :(

Btw: telemachus , where did you read/get information about Vaddis 8 ? On zoran site the last one they talk about is Vaddis 6 :(

[telemachus]

Originally posted by Lord_KiRon
Yes , Yamada supports QPel , ... indeed helps compresability , so in theory you can enable QPel and increase bitrate to get same filesize.

Btw: telemachus , where did you read/get information about Vaddis 8 ? On zoran site the last one they talk about is Vaddis 6 :(

Hello lordkiron

if qpel increases bitrate, then you WILL have better quality for the same file size, surely?

you can read about the vaddis 8 in siemssen at https://www.siemssen-resale.de/shop/out/oxbaseshop/html/1/images/Presse_AudioVision_0105_DVDsiemss.pdf

which they have acknowledged as a mistake.

as you say, Yamada does support Qpel, but not GMC very well. The test disk I used showed that the Siemssen could play divx and xvid at 6000kbs where the Yamada stuttered quite a bit. Both players struggled a lot with GMC and both play Qpel.

If Yamada could do ID3 tags I think i would return the Siemssen and wait for a more stable system, maybe based on vaddis 8! At this point, i think i will just hold onto it and hope that some better firmware comes along to solve the many issues.

Later,
Mark.

[bond]

Originally posted by Lord_KiRon
I believe that QPel have nothing to do with visual quality it does...

[SeeMoreDigital]

What's this player like at playing Mpeg4 encodes stored on media cards?

Also... can anybody confirm whether or not this player can play/navigate Mpeg2/DVD files stored on a media card. ie: DVD files that include: -
VIDEO_TS.BUP
VIDEO_TS.IFO
VTS_01_0.BUP
VTS_01_0.BUP
VTS_01_1.VOBAnd.... has anybody tried using one of the card readers to connect the player to a network?

That should keep some of you busy!


Cheers

[telemachus]

hmmm
dont ask me, ive got no sd cards for the siemssen...
mark

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by telemachus
dont ask me, ive got no sd cards for the siemssen...
mark Have you got no memory cards at all?

Anyway with regard to playing .MP4 files with multiple AAC-LC "audio only" tracks... Here's an 8.31MB example containing 3No 2Ch (stereo) tracks (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/3_track_AAC.zip)!


Cheers

[telemachus]

hi again,

no, i dont have any sd cards, still MUCH prefer the quality of analogue photography, and my MP3 portable player is a CD based one.

i will try that file, though it must be said, i had a long conversation with Siemssen support this morning, and they seem to think there must be something wrong with my drive. They suggest sending it in for "repairs" but I fear it will be a waste of time and money sending it from the UK to Germany, only to find they cannot "fix" anything on my list.

They also said, depressingly, that they are not planning a firmware upgrade, and that the player is known to be a bit fussy about which disks are used. He did say they are the service dept and not the manufacturing dept, so they are not sure that there are definitely no plans in the future for a firmware upgrade, only there is nothing he is aware of.

I will send my machine off, and now my wife has recycled my original packaging, so I cannot return it anyway. It is a much classier machine than a Yamada, I love the way it shows what audio and video codec you are using on the screen when you are playing a file and press "info". I like that it is future compatible with mp4, but its a first generation machine, there are bound to be caveats.

i will report back on the audio file you linked to later
ciao,
mark.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by telemachus
... i had a long conversation with Siemssen support this morning, and they seem to think there must be something wrong with my drive. They suggest sending it in for "repairs" but I fear it will be a waste of time and money sending it from the UK to Germany, only to find they cannot "fix" anything on my list. What sort of problems are you experiencing?

If it's your DVD-ROM drive, you might be able to swap it over with one from/for a PC ;)


Cheers

[telemachus]

thanks, but no,
what i meant by "drive" was "player".

they think there is something wrong with the player, but really the things i listed (earlier in the thread there is a list of some of the issues) are probably just the way the siemssen is, and not my specific player... i will look at my postage to germany as a very expensive bug report!

later
mark.

[telemachus]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Have you got no memory cards at all?

Anyway with regard to playing .MP4 files with multiple AAC-LC "audio only" tracks... Here's an 8.31MB example containing 3No 2Ch (stereo) tracks (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/3_track_AAC.zip)!


Cheers

hello seemoredigital,

i tried your 3_track_AAC.zip file and it plays some sara mclaughlin type on audio 1, sheryl crow or something on 2 but i burnt it on a cdrw disk and it only sometimes plays A2 and A3... most often the speakers reproduce loud digital bursts of noise. A1 is always clear... but i can toggle between em, and i would guess it will work on a cd-r disk, im just not gonna burn one just for that now.

later
mark