Nero Digital supported Home Cinema System

[mediator]

http://germany.aldi.com/product_01/product_522.html

:D :D :D

[UPollaehne]

Reading the specs (2000 Watt P.M.P.O :D ) I see the Siemssen player "SCO 5000ND". So you get the 99.- Euro player and that leaves 80.- Euros for the receiver and speakers...

[Skuto]

Well, Aldi probably gets significant discounts for large volume, so that math probably doesn't quite work.

[UPollaehne]

Maybe yes, maybe no. We will see on monday.;)
Since I do not have any surround equipment and am interested in playing around with MPEG 4 I decided to get the stuff and accept to learn it the hard way if it is not worth the money.

[castellanos]

I asume that the player has also the Zoran Vaddis 8 chipset?

[Skuto]

Vaddis 8 or Vaddis 776, not sure yet

[thegeby]

Tom's Hardware (yes I know..) has reviewed the Tevion DVD-5000 (http://www.de.tomshardware.com/firstlook/20041218/index.html) which is identical to the eye to the Siemssen SCO 500 ND. The Review is in German which I do not speak very well but the chip is definitely a Vaddis 776 on that one.

Q: Does this imply that the firmware is similar?

[bond]

also people reported on the german dvdboard that the new Tevion DR 2004 (sold in the aldi süd shops) is able to play .mp4 files (following nerodigital standard profile), using 2 aac audio streams and 2 vobsub subtitle streams prefectly

one guy complaint that the audio volume is really low. i assume thats because nero recode doesnt use gain when transcoding dvd audio to aac (which is necessary if you want normal volume)

read more here (http://www.dvdboard.de/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80560)

[UPollaehne]

I think it's more identical to this one: Siemssen (https://www.siemssen-resale.de/shop/) since the Tevion 5000 is not capable of playing "Nero Digital" (aka. MPEG-4 Container). And it is said that this player has the Vaddis 8.

[UPollaehne]

Originally posted by bond
also people reported on the german dvdboard that the new Tevion DR 2004 Er, yes. The Tevion DR 2004 is the home cinema system we are talking about the hole time (since monday we know the name since Aldi did not tell the name in its anouncements).

[djmorris]

Originally posted by bond
also people reported on the german dvdboard that the new Tevion DR 2004 (sold in the aldi süd shops) is able to play .mp4 files (following nerodigital standard profile), using 2 aac audio streams and 2 vobsub subtitle streams prefectly

one guy complaint that the audio volume is really low. i assume thats because nero recode doesnt use gain when transcoding dvd audio to aac (which is necessary if you want normal volume)

read more here (http://www.dvdboard.de/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80560)

exactly, I wrote that (I've a different username there). I tested the nero digital capabilities with a standard profile rip, 2 Languages & 2 Subtitles. The video quality was excellent but the audio volume is really low (compared to a divx movie). If you have questions feel free to ask. As it is a present for my dad, I will be able to make other tests (other profiles, 6 channel audio) not early then in 2 days.

bye

ps. the chapter thing is also working ;)

[bond]

if you really have time it would be nice to test the following combinations:

streams encoded with different mpeg-4 encoders and placed in .mp4:
- xvid
- divx5
- 3ivx
- quicktime mpeg-4

encoding with/without the following settings in the different encoders:
- b-frames
- qpel
- gmc (i assume divx5 gmc will work, gmc of the other codecs (eg nero and xvid) wont)
- custom quant and mpeg quant matrices
- adaptive quantisation
- audio (aac audio (as used in nero) vs. mp3 or mp2 audio (which is also possible in .mp4)

different .mp4 muxer: files created with
- mp4box
- 3ivx muxer
- mp4ui/mpeg4ip's mp4creator
- ffmpeg
- nero muxer (in graphedit)

see basically there is a lot of stuff to test if you want to know how powerful your player really is. theoretically all this should work perfectly, but you never know whether there are some bugs somewhere.

maybe you want to test just the most important combinations, like divx5/xvid using more than 1 b-frames and qpel placed in .mp4 with mp4box and 3ivx (maybe also testing mp3-in-mp4)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Cool....

These Tevion/Siemssen players appear to offer a good range of audio and video outputs, which should prove very useful :)

http://img92.exs.cx/img92/3959/tevion5000rear7hn.gif

Let's hope 6Ch AAC streams can be passed via the 6Ch analogue outputs.... That would be a real "poke in the eye" for I-O DATA AVEL/LP2 player users!


Cheers

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi bond,

I've just had a thought.... It might help us all if you bought one of these players and tested it!

Have you bought yourself an Christmas prezzie yet?


Cheers

[bond]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Have you bought yourself an Christmas prezzie yet?normally i dont buy myself christmas presents :D
but well i also wouldnt buy any mpeg-4 player that doesnt support the full asp spectrum (including qpel and 3wp gmc)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
normally i dont buy myself christmas presents :D
but well i also wouldnt buy any mpeg-4 player that doesnt support the full asp spectrum (including qpel and 3wp gmc) Can't you "pop down" to Aldi, buy the player, test some encodes and then return it ;)


Cheers

[Skuto]

Originally posted by bond
normally i dont buy myself christmas presents :D
but well i also wouldnt buy any mpeg-4 player that doesnt support the full asp spectrum (including qpel and 3wp gmc)

I think you will have to wait a long while. Qpel has decent support, but 3wp GMC seems to be not very pleasant for hardware.

ND doesn't use 3wp GMC at any point, I think.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Skuto
ND doesn't use 3wp GMC at any point, I think. Actually Skuto, it's already been confirmed in many threads/posts that NeroDigital does indeed use a 3WP GMC implementation...

Although it may be odd that currently no NeroDigital certified player supports 3WP GMC, personally speaking, I'm yet to be convinced that 1WP or even 3WP GMC offers any positive benefit to an Mpeg4 encode.... So I can't see what all the fuss is about ;)


Cheers

[bond]

i think that if playes are supposed to be able to handle avc when hd-dvd arrives, 3wp gmc cant be that much of a deal :D

[djmorris]

RIght now I'm encoding a file with the nero cinema profile with 2x 5.1 low-aac. As I'm finishes I'll let you know if the player handles the audio file as 5.1 surround.

bye

[djmorris]

Originally posted by djmorris
RIght now I'm encoding a file with the nero cinema profile with 2x 5.1 low-aac. As I'm finishes I'll let you know if the player handles the audio file as 5.1 surround.

bye

Suprise surprise....there is no 5.1 output when playing back 6 channel acc sound.

The player has problems with the higher resolutions of the cinema profile. At least the movie (when burned to dvd-r, the player dosen't like +Ricohs at all) was watchable.

@bond

do you have a link to a cd with movie trailers for testing the player's functions?

Oh, before I forget it. With normal aac audio you will hear disturbing tones during the whole movie. I think they will have to release a new formware in order to fix this. Unthil then i will encode my videaos using divx or xvid. With these formats I do not have problems with the audio.

bye

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by djmorris
Suprise surprise....there is no 5.1 output when playing back 6 channel acc sound.

do you have a link to a cd with movie trailers for testing the player's functions? What type of AAC stream did you use. AAC-LC "Low Complexity" or AAC-HE "High Efficiency".

If you would like to test some more 6Ch audio streams, I have a few on my web site: -

http://www.SeeMoreDigital.net/51_Test_Encodes/51_AV_Setup_Test_Files.html


Cheers

[bond]

Originally posted by djmorris
do you have a link to a cd with movie trailers for testing the player's functions?i once created one for testing the philips players (no support for chapters, subs and aac), grab it here (http://mp4menu.sourceforge.net/download/MP4_TestCD_v1.zip)

[stax76]

one guy complaint that the audio volume is really low. i assume thats because nero recode doesnt use gain when transcoding dvd audio to aac (which is necessary if you want normal volume)


I wonder if the Nero people know about this issue, for me that's a real big problem. I hate the idea to inrease my volume by factor three because I know for sure sometimes I will forget to turn it down to normal again and will blast my ears. I like to keep my amplifier and system volume always constant and adjust the volume in the playback application.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by stax
I wonder if the Nero people know about this issue, for me that's a real big problem. I hate the idea to inrease my volume by factor three because I know for sure sometimes I will forget to turn it down to normal again and will blast my ears. I like to keep my amplifier and system volume always constant and adjust the volume in the playback application. Yes it's a known problem!

Also, when your convert a 6Ch AC3 source to 2Ch AAC, the AAC level is lower than if you converted a 2Ch AC3 source to 2Ch AAC ;)


Cheers

[Hyper Shinchan]

I want to know this. The Xoro HSD players don't say to support Home Cinema Profile, but is there anyone that can confirm this? They don't play AAC 6Ch?

[SeeMoreDigital]

I want to know this. The Xoro HSD players don't say to support Home Cinema Profile, but is there anyone that can confirm this? They don't play AAC 6Ch?Can you confirm whether you have one the XORO HSD players please. And if so... which one?


Cheers