DVD-5 Copy won't play on standalone

[Slash8789]

Hi all. I searched previous posts in the forum to see if I could solve the issue I have but couldn't really find my exact issue discussed. I am trying to make a full backup of a DVD I own. The disk is a DVD-5 disk. I have used DVD Decrypter to backup about 10 of my movies and they all play great on my standalone. For some reason this one movie plays on my computer but not on my standalone. When I insert the disc into my standalone I get the following error messege: "-Disk error- playback feature may not be enabled on this disc". Also, when I start up DVD Shrink just to check it and try to open the disk I get this error messege: "Invalid DVD Navigation Structure". I ripped and burned the movie 2 times just to make sure it wasn't a bad disk but I still had the same problem. Am I dealing with some type of copy protection issue? I'd appreciate the help. Thanks.

P.S. here is some info of my setup just in case it helps.

Burner: Plextor 712A
Media: Maxell DVD+R 4x
Standalone: Magnavox which can only read DVD+R or DVD+RW according to the manual.

[jel]

hi Slash8789,
the one piece of information you left out was what mode you used in dvd decrypter: file, ifo (highly unlikely), or iso mode?
if the original is only a dvd-5 i would always (well almost) use iso 'read' mode to image the disc onto my hard drive, then iso 'write' mode to burn that image to a blank disc.
you may also want to post your dvd decrypter log file if this process is unsuccessful
cheers
j

[Slash8789]

Hi Jel,

Please forgive my newbieness when I ask the following questions. What difference would it make whether I ripped in file,ifo or iso mode? I have ripped and burned about a dozen dvds I own and they have all worked great on my standalone. But to answer you question I used file mode. Just until yesterday I was unaware that Decrypter was able to write an ISO file to my HD. I always used Imagetool to create an ISO file (im such a newbie):( You think this might help solve my issue? I was thinking maybe I might have a disk that has that new Sony ARccOS protection. Possible?

[killingspree]

here's the basic difference (in short)
ifo mode: used to extract a specific program chain (PGC) from the dvd compilation. very useful for movie only backups or dvd 2 xvid/divx conversions, but destroys the original structure of the dvd in a way that it can not be easily recreated - it also creates files on the hd that, like this, are not playable on your standalone player (missing video_ts.ifo etc)

iso mode: creates a 1:1 copy of your dvd as an iso image to your hard drive. preferable mode for DVD5 to dvd5 conversions - safest and easiest. rip and burn can be performed with dvddecrypter!

file mode: creates 1:1 copies of the selected files of the dvd to your hd. it does not alter the vob structure in any way, whatsoever, but for simple backups you have to rip/copy all the files - possible risk of things getting screwed up. mode not suited for divx rips etc in case of multi PGC vts sets.

i'd say, when backing up dvd5's always use dvddecrypter in iso mode, as there's virtually nothing - apart from burning errors - that can go wrong in this case.

to your copy protection: well i don't really think this is causing the problem. but if so, try watching the files on your hd with your favourite software dvd player and see what happens!

hth
steVe

[Slash8789]

Thank you Jel for your advice and thank you killingspree for your explanation on the different modes. I took both your advice and used decrypter in iso mode to read and write and the backup now works great. If only I would have figured this out earlier. Oh well, 3 coasters at 55 cents each is not so bad I guess :( . Thank you once again. Us newbies need you experts. :)

[DJuan.Houston]

Originally posted by killingspree
here's the basic difference (in short)
ifo mode: used to extract a specific program chain (PGC) from the dvd compilation. very useful for movie only backups or dvd 2 xvid/divx conversions, but destroys the original structure of the dvd in a way that it can not be easily recreated - it also creates files on the hd that, like this, are not playable on your standalone player (missing video_ts.ifo etc)

iso mode: creates a 1:1 copy of your dvd as an iso image to your hard drive. preferable mode for DVD5 to dvd5 conversions - safest and easiest. rip and burn can be performed with dvddecrypter!

file mode: creates 1:1 copies of the selected files of the dvd to your hd. it does not alter the vob structure in any way, whatsoever, but for simple backups you have to rip/copy all the files - possible risk of things getting screwed up. mode not suited for divx rips etc in case of multi PGC vts sets.

i'd say, when backing up dvd5's always use dvddecrypter in iso mode, as there's virtually nothing - apart from burning errors - that can go wrong in this case.

to your copy protection: well i don't really think this is causing the problem. but if so, try watching the files on your hd with your favourite software dvd player and see what happens!

hth
steVe

this is a newbie question that I may be searching with the wrong key words. When you use ISO mode and then back to a dvd are you using a dual layer dvd or a 4.7?

[The Geek]

When you use ISO mode and then back to a dvd are you using a dual layer dvd or a 4.7?

Both. If your source is a DVD-5, you use a DVD-5 blank (means 4.7 GB), if your source is a DVD-9, you use a DVD-9 blank (means 8.5 GB DVD+R DL).
So, you use the blank that matches the size of the original.

The Geek