VobBlanker 1.6.0.6 is out

[MomoNyo]

Yup, it's working! I've tried the process out on another DVD and the subs are enabled by default! Thanks for all the help guys :)

The subtitle colours are completely wrong though, but I'm playing with the sub-picture color lookup table in pgcEdit to see if I can fix them. Just using trial-and-error to figure out which squares relate to which colours in the subtitles.

[r0lZ]

You can load your original IFO in another instance of PgcEdit and do a copy/paste of the entire color table. Both PgcEdits must be running at the same time for this to work.

[MomoNyo]

I found that trick last night (but using IfoEdit) but it didn't fix things. Might be the colours in the original IFO or might be the custom colours I tried to add with SubtitleCreator (the sub colours ended up inverted, so instead of white text with black outline, I got black text with white outline).

Even so, I find that sup subs don't look as clean cut as the subs on retail DVDs. They're always very fuzzy and rough around the edges in comparison (noticed this with Srt2Sup as well. I'm probably just doing something wrong). But I'm chuffed to be able to add them and keep the menus without having to tear the menus apart and rebuild them from scratch as shown in some other guides :)

[sweetness]

minor bug.
in the menu pop up window you added reducing PGCs to still... at the bottom. when you resize the window it is not locked. that part stays stationery and can cover the list.
mind you the cell list window is not resizable.

BTW there is no real way to know which menus people still/edited. back on page 2 i asked about doing something to show what was done in the titleset window. but then again those columns are starting to get crowed. i'm talking too much i'm going to sleep

thanks and good night(maybe morning when you read this so good morning)

[jsoto]

Originally posted by sweetness
minor bug.
in the menu pop up window you added reducing PGCs to still... at the bottom. when you resize the window it is not locked. that part stays stationery and can cover the list.
mind you the cell list window is not resizable. I see... resizing in vertical direction... I'll fix it
mind you the cell list window is not resizable.I know. Noted.
BTW there is no real way to know which menus people still/edited. back on page 2 i asked about doing something to show what was done in the titleset window. but then again those columns are starting to get crowed. i'm talking too much i'm going to sleepWhat do you mean? There is no indication in the main dialog. Are you complaining about this?
thanks and good night(maybe morning when you read this so good morning) Good morning, then. :)
jsoto

[sweetness]

good morning. i'm up.(what was that movie again, Good Morning Vietnam)
What do you mean? There is no indication in the main dialog. Are you complaining about this?
No, i only complain @work. i would never complain about the way an author makes something. Just pionting out that if a VTS is edited you can tell by the ini and final size column. but with the menu nothing. Then i was thinking, if you add a column everytime i ask then it will start to be too much.

[jsoto]

Just pionting out that if a VTS is edited you can tell by the ini and final size column. but with the menu nothing. Noted. I'll think on it.

jsoto

[DMagic1]

I've been having problems with CloneDVD2 complaining about errors in the ifo/bup after processing with VobBlanker. I blanked one warning message and one 20sec click. Strange thing is that it isn't with every movie, just some. Test movie was The Green Mile.

[Tobii]

@ jsoto

The function still menu doesn't work with me, if one would like to make it in the cell list window. ( I know, this function is experimental )
The first cell is the intro without buttons, the second Cell is the main menu with buttons.
Blank the first cell, I use the function "Still" at the second Cell now...preview window opens and chooses I-Frame Selection -> Custom... used the slider and pushed "Mark" .

VobBlanker falls away and closes, as soon I push on "Mark".
It only works, if the menu is in a VTS...is the menu in the VMG, VobBlanker falls away. :(

[Surf]

Hi DMagic, try curing it with IFOedit, GET VTS SECTORS or even mockstrip with VOB EXTRAS. Either one of them functions seem to eliminate the complaint from the transcoders.

The quirks I faced normally came from re-running VOBblanker again from discovering that I missed blanking a certain useless clip. So if I load the blanked folder with DVDshrink or Recode, either one will protest. Shrink will tell which vob or ifo is the culprit, not Recode which will only say "internal error". A quick visit to IFOedit fixes these issues.

[DMagic1]

I've done all that. IFOEdit doesn't find anything. A mock-strip doesn't help. Shrink doesn't have a problem with it. It bugs me to see that on my new projects and not on my old projects. It seems all my recent projects have that error but older projects don't. I went back to the VobBlanker version I used on some older projects that don't show that error but still get that error on a new project.

[sweetness]

@Tobii
try using this version of vobblanker.http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/temp/VobBlanker_1606b1_exe.zip
sounds like you had the same problem like Surf. read here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=90751#post619594)(Surf post is a couple(7)posts up)
see if that works?

[Tobii]

Sorry, I hadn't looked into these posts. Still go to Fielmann today and get me glasses.
With this version it works ...many thanks !!!

[sweetness]

in the i frame selection. you have custom,first,middle,last,auto and default.
default=what ever the global setting are set to. right?
thanks

[jsoto]

Originally posted by sweetness
default=what ever the global setting are set to. right?
thanks Right.

Originally posted by DMagic1
I've been having problems with CloneDVD2 complaining about errors in the ifo/bup after processing with VobBlanker. I blanked one warning message and one 20sec click. Strange thing is that it isn't with every movie, just some. Mmm. I need more info... May be ClobeDVD2 complains if VOB is not ordered? Please check if the DVDs accepted have the ADT tables ordered. I do not have more ideas..

jsoto

[jsoto]

For those of you who need a bugfix of 1.6.0.5 (mainly the crash in motion2still), use this new beta:

http://www.videohelp.com/~jsoto/temp/VobBlanker_1606b3_exe.zip

http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/temp/VobBlanker_1606b3_exe.zip

Vers 1.6.0.6beta2 (??-03-2005)
BugFix: Crash manually selecting I-Frame
BugFix: Select all pgc in titles domain did not work
BugFix: Select still-ing in Titles cell view was not disabled
BugFix: A/V delay failed if the first encoded frame is not temporal sequence number 0, that is when vobu_s_ptm is different fromk first video pts value. Thanks to mpucoder for the clarification
BugFix: Resizing Menu dialog, some objects were not moved
Added: Cells dialog is now resizeable
Updated: Help file updated.

EDIT: Links changed to beta 3
jsoto

[DMagic1]

Originally posted by jsoto
Right.

Mmm. I need more info... May be ClobeDVD2 complains if VOB is not ordered? Please check if the DVDs accepted have the ADT tables ordered. I do not have more ideas..

jsoto

What do you mean by ordered?

[jsoto]

A VOB "ordered" means the cells are physically "ordered" by their VID/CID. This can be easily detected in VTS_C_ADT or VTSM_C_ADT tables with Ifoedit
Example of an ordered VOB
1/1 1/2 1/3 1/4 2/1 2/2 2/3 3/1 4/1

Example of an unordered VOB
2/1 1/2 1/3 4/1 1/1 2/2 2/3 3/1 1/4

jsoto

[jsoto]

Hi guys,

sweetness has updated two VobBlanker guides:
Blanking with VobBlanker (http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/guides/VobBlanker/blanking/index.php)
Splitting a DVD9 with VobBlanker (http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/guides/VobBlanker/splitdvd9/index.php)

and also has written a new one:
motion2still menus with VobBlanker (http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/guides/VobBlanker/motion2still/index.php)

I've uploaded them to my sites. Thanks sweetness!

jsoto

[DMagic1]

@jsoto

Yes that appears to be it. The ones that it complains about are unordered. The ones it accepts without change are ordered.

[jsoto]

@DMagic1
May be you can try VIDChanger to change the VID/CID (it has an option to process all the VOB automatically). It is really a patch, not a definitive solution, but probably it will work.

jsoto

[DMagic1]

Is this something you will change in a future release? It's not a big deal about the temp fix. I don't usually use CloneDVD2 to transcode movies. Maybe just for a quick strip of something. I do sometimes try to process my encoded movies with different tools to see if there are problems. This is how I came across this problem. At first I thought it was something to do with RB. Then I tested my input before processing with RB.

[jsoto]

AFAIK, it is not a problem in DVD-RB.

About changing it, it is a lot of job, I have to rewrite a lot of code.
So, yes, it is in my TODO, but I'll need a long period with much free time to start it. Probably in some holidays...

jsoto

[jsoto]

http://www.videohelp.com/~jsoto/temp/VobBlanker_1606b3_exe.zip

http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/temp/VobBlanker_1606b3_exe.zip

Vers 1.6.0.6beta3 (??-03-2005)

Bugfix: Subs PTS patching in motion2still

jsoto

[FilipeAmadeuO]

Jsoto :
I have a feature request. Is it possible to include in your program the possibility to save some menus (normaly still menus) as bmp files and then (most important) import bmp file and convert it into a menu vob.
I´ve been doing it for long time, but i have to use 5/6 programs.
Is it possible ?

[jsoto]

@FilipeAmadeuO
Mmmm, good challenge, but I have no idea about how to encode (MPEG-2) a bmp. Do you know some "simple" open source SW to look into?

In any case I'm not sure ife VobBlanker is the best choice to integrate it.

May be a standalone app to create the cells, with custom buttons (graphically edited) and after that replace the cells with VobBlanker... or may be r0lZ is going to do something similar in PgcEdit...

jsoto

[dragongodz]

I have no idea about how to encode (MPEG-2) a bmp. Do you know some "simple" open source SW to look into?
DVDx - render.cpp , converts frame to bitmap in memory for display. that then just needs to be written out as a BMP.
hmm actually PGCEdit also has the preview now aswell so probably does something similar. so another programs source you could look at if you wanted to add this. :)

In any case I'm not sure ife VobBlanker is the best choice to integrate it.
yes seems a bit beyond VobBlankers purpose, more something for PGCEdit i would have thought aswell.

[jsoto]

DVDx - render.cpp , converts frame to bitmap in memory for display. that then just needs to be written out as a BMP.
hmm actually PGCEdit also has the preview now aswell so probably does something similar. so another programs source you could look at if you wanted to add this. These are decoders, say, from MPEG2 to BMP. (DVD2AVI does it, AFAIK is what pgcEdit uses). But I'm asking for encoders, like dvdshrink or Muxman, from BMP to MPEG2.
jsoto

[dragongodz]

I'm asking for encoders, like dvdshrink or Muxman, from BMP to MPEG2.
ahhh sorry.
you could look at imagereader from Avisynth for reading in the BMP.
for encoding theres avodec(FFMpeg, QuEnc etc), BBMpeg, Mpeg2Enc(MJpegTools).

[manono]

Hi-

DVDAuthorGUI has the ability to create .m2v from either .jpg or .bmp. You go Menus->Create .m2v still, up at the top of the GUI. It does it almost instantly, I've used it a lot, and it works great, so it shouldn't be too hard to figure out. Easy for me to say. :)

It has some kind of a freeware encoder built in. I think it's explained in the docs.

[dragongodz]

DVDAuthorGUI has the ability to create .m2v from either .jpg or .bmp.
forgot that one. :)

It has some kind of a freeware encoder built in. I think it's explained in the docs.
yes it uses Mpeg2Enc from MJpeg tools.

[FilipeAmadeuO]

I use scenarist, but the main problem is to put the m2v file created into the VOB using all the buttons and subtitles information( i have to demux all VOB/CELL ID and is anoying)
Can it be done ?

[jsoto]

Ah!.. do you mean to use an I-Frame taken from other VOB and keeping the buttons and subs?. Seems easier, because it is already coded and muxed. But is it really useful?

jsoto

[Surf]

Senor Jsoto,

Have you perfected this angle stripping yet?

http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/temp/del_angles.zip

I hope you do for it would eliminate a step with IFOedit's VOBextra stripping.

(what's going here in IFO/VOB Editors room? blu and 2COOL on holidays or something? I can hear cricket chirping.)

[FilipeAmadeuO]

Jdobbs:
Not realy that. I normaly use Menuedit to copy a still menu to a bmp file, change the bmp (normaly to remove audios descriptions that i don´t want to keep), create an m2v from the bmp file using scenarist and then i remux the new m2v file created into the old vob, keeping the subtitles and buttons information, using vobedit.
Is it possible to include this proceding in vobBlanker ? Is would be great to use only one program to create the bmp file and then mux it back on.

[Tobii]

jsoto,

Is there a little problem with LPCM in VobBlanker and PgcDemux?

If I look at the VTS_04_0.IFO in IfoEdit, I get the following ...

Title Set (Movie) attributes:
Video: MPEG-2 720x576 (PAL) (PAL 625/50) (16:9) (letterboxed)
Audio 1: English (Dolby AC-3) 6ch 48Kbps DRC normal (ID: 0x80)
Audio 2: Deutsch (Dolby AC-3) 6ch 48Kbps DRC normal (ID: 0x81)
Audio 3: English (Linear PCM) 2ch 48Kbps 16bps normal (ID: 0xa2)
In PgcEdit, also shows me the correct details for LPCM.
In the VobBlanker 1.6.0.6b3, under audio information...

# track id Code #Channels Type Language kbps Estimated Size Delay ( msec)

1 80 ac3 6 Normal English 448 327 MB 8
2 81 ac3 6 Normal Deutsch 448 327 MB 8
3 A2 LPCM 2 Normal English ??? Unknown ???

In PgcDemux 1.2.0.2 with "Check A/V Delay"

Audio_1: 0x80 --> 8 msecs.
Audio_2: 0x81 --> 8 msecs.
Audio_3: None
Audio_4: None
Audio_5: None
Audio_6: None
Audio_7: None
Audio_8: None

[jsoto]

@FilipeAmadeuO
Well, what I can try to do is to offer the possibility to import the I-Frame from a different VOB.
But not now, may be in the future...

@Tobii:
Ifoedit & pgcEdit look only in the IFO.
VobBlanker takes some parameters from the IFO, but others (like delay or bitrate) have to be read from the VOB.

If the track does not exist (may be it is active only in other PGC, ot it has been stripped) VobBlanker and pgcDemux will output the data you posted

So, please confirm with VobEdit if there are LPCM packs in cells belonging to the selected PGC. If yes, it probably be a bug, and I'll need more details to see where it is.

jsoto

[jsoto]

Finally, Tobii sent me a PM and his DVD has no LPCM audio in the VOB. So it is a bad authoring (or bad stripping).

But I prefer to keep the progs as they are. I've found some rare authoring where in the first cell there is no audio, but it is in the following ones. In theory, VB should detect it, but may be in some cases it could fail. For this reason, I prefer to show what IFO says and if nothing is found in the VOB by VB, VB will output some question marks "???" in the attributes which should be read from the VOB, like bitrate.

jsoto

[hf]

I was just wondering, if it would be possible to allow
trimming of video clips in the menu domain like can be
done for clips in the title domain. There are some dvds
that place just plain video in the menu domain, it most
often seems to be trailers. Occasionally I like to keep
the trailer, but I would like to remove the beginning
of the clip where it shows what the MPAA rating is and
sometimes also one or more studio logos. I can do this
when the clip is in the title domain, but am out of luck
when it is in the menu domain. I guess you would need to
restrict it to allow trimming only on non-still menu
items that have no buttons.

[jsoto]

MAy be in the future, but I can give you a workaround in the meantime...

- Extract the cell (no-buttons) to be trimmed to an empty folder
- Create IFOs with IFOEdit. You will get a DVD with the cell in titles domain.
- Use VB on this new DVD and trim the cell.
- Replace the cell in the original DVD (menu domain) with the trimmed one.

jsoto

[hf]

I've noticed when backing up dvds where the main movie
is composed of seperate VobIDS, the type flags get messed
up when I cut the studio logo info before the movie starts.
I've attached an example. The first listing shows
the original, the second after I cut about 9 seconds from
the first cell. I have to go in an manual change all the
type flags for cells 2 to N back to their originals or
the dvd stutters at each cell transition. Why does cutting
from the first cell effect all the others? Shouldn't only
the first cell be modified and all the rest left alone?


Chap. Prog. Cell Type Layer Res- Playback End VOB Cell
(PTT) Flags Break tric- Time Time ID ID
ted.
1 1 1 2 yes no 00:03:27.28 00:03:27.28 1 1
2 2 2 8 no no 00:01:38.14 00:05:06.12 1 2
3 3 3 10 no no 00:05:41.00 00:10:47.12 2 1
4 4 4 8 no no 00:02:20.00 00:13:07.12 2 2
5 5 5 10 no no 00:02:53.25 00:16:01.07 3 1
6 6 6 8 no no 00:02:29.00 00:18:30.07 3 2
7 7 7 8 no no 00:01:35.26 00:20:06.03 3 3
8 10 no no 00:01:14.05 00:21:20.08 4 1
8 8 9 8 no no 00:02:14.04 00:23:34.12 4 2

Chap. Prog. Cell Type Layer Res- Playback End VOB Cell
(PTT) Flags Break tric- Time Time ID ID
ted.
1 1 1 2 yes no 00:03:27.28 00:03:27.28 1 1
2 2 2 2 yes no 00:01:38.14 00:05:06.12 1 2
3 3 3 2 yes no 00:05:41.00 00:10:47.12 2 1
4 4 4 2 yes no 00:02:20.00 00:13:07.12 2 2
5 5 5 2 yes no 00:02:53.25 00:16:01.07 3 1
6 6 6 2 yes no 00:02:29.00 00:18:30.07 3 2
7 7 7 2 yes no 00:01:35.26 00:20:06.03 3 3
8 2 yes no 00:01:14.05 00:21:20.08 4 1
8 8 9 2 yes no 00:02:14.04 00:23:34.12 4 2

[jsoto]

Yep, you found a bug. I'll fix it.
STC discontinuity flag should be set in blanked cells and in the first trimmed one
In the meantime , mark the last sector of the last cell as the cutting end mark, instead of keep the mark defaulted as "last"

EDIT: BTW, the bug has nothing to do with the number of VobIDS

jsoto

[jsoto]

Vers 1.6.0.6 (19-03-2005)
Updated: Help file
Added: Cells dialog is now resizeable
Added: Set break GOP flag if needed when cutting titles
BugFix: IsClosedGOP method was not correct
BugFix: STC discontinuity was set in all cells when cutting titles if end mark was "last"
BugFix: Subs PTS patching in Motion2Still
BugFix: Crash manually selecting I-Frame
BugFix: Select all pgc in titles domain did not work
BugFix: Select still-ing in Titles cell view was not disable
BugFix: A/V delay failed if the first encoded frame is not temporal sequence number 0, that is when vobu_s_ptm is different from first video pts value. Thanks to mpucoder for the clarification
BugFix: Resizing Menu dialog, some objects were not moved

jsoto

[dirio49]

I tried to cut a vob and i worked i just wanted to know why or what it mean about GOP is open.
thanks

[jeanl]

according to mpucoder, a GOP is open if one of the B frames (B frames are forward/backward predictive frames) in the GOP requires a previous GOP to be decoded properly. This means you can't decode the GOP properly if the previous GOP is unavailable.
The "broken GOP" flag means that this GOP would have required the previous one for proper decoding but the previous one is known to be unavailable (for example because it was edited out). It can be used by a player to "fake" the decode (for example by repeating a frame instead of attempting to decode the B-frame).

See this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88964) thread for some discussions about that topic...

Jeanl.

[dirio49]

thank you.

[jsoto]

For the record:
VobBlanker now clasifies the GOP in:
A) Closed GOP
B) Self-contained
C) Open and not self-contained.
D) Unknown (some error cases in the code)

It warns the user (and mark the GOP as broken) in the C) case.

jsoto

[dirio49]

I cut the end of a pgc and it said that it is an open one.
i did it anyways.

[jsoto]

VobBlanker warns when setting initial mark and also when setting end mark. This is because the user can change the "Action between marks" radio button. Obviously, only the initial mark in "Keep movie" mode (and only the end mark in "Cut movie" mode) will be marked as broken GOP if needed.

There are other situations where a GOP can become broken, like replacing a cell (1), but VobBlanker does not mark the GOPs as broken in this case.

In any case we are talking about one or two frames, without the required info to be decoded. In the worst case the player outputs some garbage (two frames) or, in the best case, it silently skips (blanks) them.

(1) I've just noticed some cells in originals start in an open (non-closed and non-self-contained) GOP. In my understanding a cell should start in a closed GOP, but not really sure... can anyone confirm this point?

jsoto

[dirio49]

yes,that's happened to me. the cell was open it was the one that is the first cell. the one that shows the company of the movie.
thank
Jsoto.
P.S. Great program.