CCE vs ReJig question

[nathanaa]

I am not a programer, just a simple user-of-great-programs. I have been using DVDRB now for about 2 months, and have really liked it.

So far, I've been using the ReJig transcoder instead of one of the encoder options. I am wondering what kind of difference(s) I would see if I bought the cheap (~$50) version of CCE to use instead. (I have not been able to get QuEnc to work.)

I mean, what would the differences *look* like? I've noticed some slight blockiness on text in various places of a rebuilt disc, and the darker scenes of some of my discs are a bit fuzzy or blurry.

A ReJig rebuilt usually takes less than an hour for a DVD9, episode or regular movie. Would there be a time difference?

Thanks for opinions/experience.

[Rockas]

First of all Rejig is a transcoder and CCE is an encoder.
To keep it simple lets just say that Rejig obtains the desired size "erasing" portions of a movie (or frames) that "he" thinks that are "expendable".
CCE is an encoder so what it does is simply re-encode the movie adjusting the bitrates so that you can get the size files you need (having DVD Rebuilder as context).
About the time.... well CCE will take 3, 4, 5 longer but you'll get better quality.
Is this simple or what? :)

keep it UP

[nathanaa]

So, if ReJig took about an hour, CCE might take up to five hours to do the same thing? Woof, that's a long time - but if the quality is as good as it sounds like it would be, it would be worth it for certain.

And I could always set it to do it when I go to bed,eh? :)

[wmansir]

If you want to check it out before buying the program you can download a trial version at doom9's downloads. It will place a small logo on the output, but the quality is about the same as the retail version. You will also need to setup EclCCE.

The default number of passes DVD-RB uses is 2, which is the limit of CCE Basic, so you should get a good idea of what the output will look like if you buy the cheaper Basic (even though you are using the SP trial).

[nathanaa]

I wouldn't want any logo's on the output. If I do go that route, I'll just get the CCE. After all, there's all kinds of positive info on DVDRB w/CCE so it's not like I'd be taking a risk of having *worse* quality.

What is EclCCE? Is that like setting up the ReJig for DVDRB?

[maksa]

If you want to check it out before buying the program

As Wmansir said: You have option to "try befor buy" having logo on trial copies just to compare with Rejig output.

Rockas said it is slower, but I amu using it all the time. Depending on machine & number of passes it will take about 2 to 5 hours. My machine is PIV, 3GHz, HT, 512 MB RAM and for 4 passes it takes about 4 hours for a 2 hour movie. If you use 3 pases it will be 3/4 of that. Many people consider 3 passes to be excellent quality. I'd highly recommend it.

EclCCE is the command line enabler programm to make some versions of CCE to accept console commands and for trial version to save ECL (encoder control list file - limitation of the trial version).

[Nic]

If you've got any more details on the problems with QuEnc let us know here or in the MPEG Encoder forum. (make sure you have the latest AviSynth installed, etc)

-Nic

[nathanaa]

Originally posted by maksa
As Wmansir said: You have option to "try befor buy" having logo on trial copies just to compare with Rejig output.

Rockas said it is slower, but I amu using it all the time. Depending on machine & number of passes it will take about 2 to 5 hours. My machine is PIV, 3GHz, HT, 512 MB RAM and for 4 passes it takes about 4 hours for a 2 hour movie. If you use 3 pases it will be 3/4 of that. Many people consider 3 passes to be excellent quality. I'd highly recommend it.

Well, I've got a 900mHz Intel that is equivalent to a P4 1.2GHz (it's what all the technogeeks at my laptop forum say), WinXPP, and 1GB RAM. I would likely set it for 3 passes. So, IYO it would take about 3 hours for a 2 hour movie....hmmm, that would be about 7 hours for an episode disc with about 4 hours of shows. Yep, sounds like an overnight sort of thing to me! :)

Originally posted by maksa
EclCCE is the command line enabler programm to make some versions of CCE to accept console commands and for trial version to save ECL (encoder control list file - limitation of the trial version).

See, and this means nothing to me - thank you for trying to explain though. As long as there are detailed instructions on what to do though, I can install it probably, even if I don't know what it does.

As for my problems with QuEnc, I kept getting the same error message (something about "Contact the developer", I had a thread about it before). I reinstalled several times, I followed the guides, I updated the software for everything (AviSynth, DVDRB, and that DLL file), and it would run for about 5 hours processing and then I'd get and error message and DVDRB would crash.

After trying for about a week of this (doing all that stuff to try and get it to work) I tryed ReJig at the recommendation of Lordsmurf at the Videohelp.com forums. ReJig worked the very first time and has ever since. So, that's why I used it. I just couldn't get QuEnc to run right.

Not very detailed of an explanation, I'll look for my other old thread and see if I can find my explanation, then I'll cut and past it in here.

Thanks for the help folks! Keep it coming, I'm all ears (well, eyes I suppose, heh heh).

[maksa]

See, and this means nothing to me - thank you for trying to explain though. As long as there are detailed instructions on what to do though, I can install it probably, even if I don't know what it does.

OK. Download EclCCe from Doom site and put it in CCE folder. Then open DVD-RB and go to Settings. Pick version of CCE that you have (say 2.5) and click on folder icon near that line. Browser opens, go to CCE directory and click on ECLCCE.exe. That is it. If it is still unclear, go to www.dvd-rb.com and open Guide for it. Explained W/pictures.

On the same site, you have installer for DVD-RB. It contains all the files that you need to start and does the dirty work for you - no settings. It has Trial CCE.
Hope this helps...

[wmansir]

You also have to 'setup' EclCCE. Just run EclCCE and it will ask you for your CCE executable. Just find CCESPT.exe (for example) and that's it.