NUMenu4U Error When using DoItFast4U

[BackwoodsYahoo]

*********NUMenu4U Error as displayed by the program, below.**********


Procedure Name: Item
Module Name: Temp_Settings

Error Number: 5
Error Description: Invalid procedure call or argument
Error Source: ErrorHandler
Error Line: 8
Call Stack:
Item --> Temp_Settings
MsgWaitObj --> GlobalFunctions
ShellAndWait --> GlobalFunctions
StartAuthoring --> ExecuteProgram
StartNuMenu4u --> ExecuteProgram
go_Click --> MainForm
Form_Activate --> MainForm



Sonic Scenarist completes it's task ok for NUMenu4U, but then the NuMenu4U Scenarist Version RC4 BUILD 1.1 seems to just freeze. I manually have to close Scenarist & NuMenu4U Scenarist Version RC4 BUILD 1.1. Then DoItFast4U resumes. I have no other tasks running while opperating these programs. I'm following the DoItFast4U guide for DVD Backup, found here on Doom9. I've followed the directions for setting up the associated programs. Attatched below is the NUMenu4U Log.I can't include the log as it makes the message too long.

Pease Help, if there's any other info required just let me know and I'll do my best to provide it. I have already submited an error report to the author of NUMenu4U.


Thanks

[Zeul]

Obviously still some problems with Automate :(
At what point does the above error msg occur? You haven't said.

Thanks

[BackwoodsYahoo]

First I manually close Scenarist v2.7 after it has completed it's menu processing. Then I restored NUMenu4U from the system tray, and upon manually closing NUMenu4U, the error window had poped up on the screen. Then I select ok to clear the error message, NUMenu4U closes and DoItFast4U resumes it's procedure. This has happened about 3 or 4 times in a row. I've cleared my process folder, rebooted my machine several times, and restarted the procedure to try and get it to work. Now everytime I go thru the above, when I get the point where I manually close NUMenu4U, NUMenu4U just completly shuts it's self off when I try to restore it to the screen from the system tray to manually close it. As soon as it stops running, regardless as to what stage it was at in it's process, DoItFast4U resumes. The first few times I had tried using NUMenu4U and DoItFast4U together as per the Big 3 guide, DoItFast4U would just freeze and not continue after manually shutting down Scenarist v2.7 and NUMenu4U, but now I'm getting the above as described.

I'm using WinXP Pro, Intel P4 2.Ghz CPU, 400Mhz Front side Bus, 1 Gb of DDR PC3200 ram.

Hope this helps. :)

[Zeul]

try this updated automate build

http://www.numenu4u.com/Automate_Scenarist.zip

[BackwoodsYahoo]

Once Scenaid has been launched, we need to select the directory that DIF4U has demuxed all of our assets into. Following selection of this directory, ScenAid will then scan and process our files, and create our Scenarist Script File (.scp).

Ok, after installing the newest NUMENU4U Scenarist Automate, everything works great up untill I get to Scenaid. DIF4U actually finishes it's processes & completes, including obviously NUMENU4U.
I then shut down DIF4U as it's finished,I then manually start Scenaid as the guide says. Scenaid runs ok, but the problem is that when I scan my DIF4U default folder fot a valid DIF4U Demux directory I get the following error from Scenaid.

Procedure Name: ProcessAC3File
Module Name: AudioProcess

Error Number: 76
Error Description: Path not found
Error Source: ScenAid
Error Line: 19
Call Stack:
ProcessAC3File --> AudioProcess
CheckAudioSource --> AudioProcess
ProcessAudio --> ProcessAssets
ProcessDIF --> Form1
DIF_Browse_Click --> Form1

The only thing I set Different from the guide is in the Global Options -> Pre Processing of DIF4U I selected Do Not Process subtitles/closed-captioning (subs still ripped to *.sub), & made sure Auto detect subtitles/ closed-captioning (Requires restart of DOITFAST4U!) was deslected. I don't want nor care about subtitles. Other than that everything is by the guide. I've finally made it past NUMENU4U, now I need/request help in making it past Scenaid. Any one have any ideas as to what could be the problem now? When I close the error report, Scenaid shuts down/closes.

So far, so good.

I still need the help and generosity of the good folks in this forum.

Thanks and greatly appreciated.

This is a continuation of the original post entitled "The Big 3 is a big Bust for me." Continued over to this thread as requested by Jel the moderator.

BackWerdz:)

[jel]

please, please stop calling me Jel the moderator! jel is fine, or even j. your making me sound like an extra from a conan the barbarian film:
"who was that?"
"that was Jel ... the Moderator ... born into this land a noob ... now ruler of all"
:p

hmmm ... anyway, have to admit, that your having more problems that most first time users. trust me, it is not usually this troublesome.

i am sure dest will have more of an idea about this error you are receiving, and what files he needs to troubleshoot this.
however i would be interested in seeing the last few lines of the scenaid.log file, before this error occured, and the vts_*.ifo overview for the vts it is having issues with.

cheers
j

[influenza]

that was Jel ... the Moderator ... born into this land a noob ... now ruler of all

LOL

I must say Jel the moderator sounds cool, I think I'll start calling you that as well :). No Jel don't go there.....

And on a serious note: how unlucky can you get? I hardly ever encounter any problems. It's true that the automate scenarist has his kickups every now and then. But I haven't gotten to the point that I'm too lazy to press ok. (I might get so, because all those great apps do a wonderful job ;).

Well anyway D3s7 should be able to work out your problem. At least make sure to use the latest build from the www.scenaid.com website.

[BackwoodsYahoo]

however i would be interested in seeing the last few lines of the scenaid.log file, before this error occured, and the vts_*.ifo overview for the vts it is having issues with

As requested by Jel, (just Jel, not Jel the moderator). :D lol
Here's the Scenaid log fil contents. I hope this can help to figure out what's going wrong.

(21/12/2004 7:54:04 PM) ScenAid v1.0.0.0 (Final) - by D3s7
(21/12/2004 7:54:04 PM) ScenAid installed in: C:\Program Files\ScenAid
(21/12/2004 7:54:04 PM) Scenarist Version 2.7 currently active

(21/12/2004 7:54:14 PM) Starting Scan of C:\DIF4U fOLDER - 21/12/2004 7:54:14 PM
(21/12/2004 7:54:14 PM) * Scanning Demux directory C:\DIF4U fOLDER\VTS01\ for VTS01
(21/12/2004 7:54:14 PM) * Valid Demux directory (IFO and AVS Found)
(21/12/2004 7:54:14 PM) * Opening IFO And building layout
(21/12/2004 7:54:14 PM) * Scanning for AVS Files and Processing
(21/12/2004 7:54:14 PM) - Checking Video File VTS__01_P01.P.16~9_1.AVS
(21/12/2004 7:54:15 PM) * Scanning for Audio files and Processing
(21/12/2004 7:54:15 PM) - Checking Audio File VTS__01_P01-80-448K-[0ms]-ch6English.AC3
(21/12/2004 7:54:15 PM) - Adding (301ms) of silence to C:\DIF4U_fOLDER\VTS01\VTS__01_P01-80-448K-[0ms]-ch6English.AC3


BackWerdz
:) :) :)

[BackwoodsYahoo]

I found this scenaid log inside the folder entitled D_VTS_01_0. The D_VTS_01_0 folder is located in my DIF4U default folder.

(21/12/2004 7:42:06 PM) Starting Scan of C:\DIF4U fOLDER\D_VTS_01_0 - 21/12/2004 7:42:06 PM
(21/12/2004 7:42:06 PM) Could not find a valid VTS directory

This appears to be where it is having difficulty. I'm not sure where to look for the vts_*.ifo overview for the vts it is having issues with, that Jel had mention interest in seeing.

Backwerdz

:) :) :) :)

[influenza]

Ehm just to be sure, you`re scanning your demux directory, not the dif4u install dir are you+

[BackwoodsYahoo]

Ehm just to be sure, you`re scanning your demux directory, not the dif4u install dir are you+

Yes I was scanning my DIF4U install/default folder. I've also tried scanning the D_VTS_01_0 folder located inside my DIF4U install/default folder, and I've tried scanning the DEMUXED folder located inside the D_VTS_01_0 folder which is located inside the DIF4U install/default folder. When i scan the DIF4U install/default folder I get the following error:

Procedure Name: ProcessAC3File
Module Name: AudioProcess

Error Number: 76
Error Description: Path not found
Error Source: ScenAid
Error Line: 19
Call Stack:
ProcessAC3File --> AudioProcess
CheckAudioSource --> AudioProcess
ProcessAudio --> ProcessAssets
ProcessDIF --> Form1
DIF_Browse_Click --> Form1

When the error window is closed it shuts down Scenaid as well. When I scan the D_VTS_01_0 folder which is located inside the DIF4U install/default folder, same thing when scanning the DEMUXED folder located inside the D_VTS_01_0 folder which is located inside the DIF4U install/default folder I get this displayed in the log window of Scenaid:

Scenaid v1.0.0.0 (Final) -by D3s7
Scenaid installed in C:\Program Files\ScenAid
Scenarist version 2.7 currently active
Starting scan of C:\DIF4U fOLDER\D_VTS_01_0\DEMUXED - 22/12/2004
Could not find a valid VTS directory

That's as far as I've been able to get so far. I've gone back through the guide this morning to verify all my program settings are correct, and they are as per the guide. Perhaps elaborating on more specific instructions as to where to find the correct folder to scan would be a good idea for the guide. It would help to make this point a bit more clear for people new to the process.

Still wondering what to do...

BackWerdz
:)

[D3s7]

at some point in time it looks you accidently selected the wrong directory to start you scan... no biggy

as far as the ac3 file not being found, it seems to occationally pop up and I believe I have it fixed now.... I'm finishing up a new build that should have this fixed....

In the meantime, you usually can rescan the directory again and it will continue on. Problem is that delaycut doesn't release the file quick enough causing the error.. i put a slight delay + check in the routine which seems to help

[BackwoodsYahoo]

usually can rescan the directory again and it will continue on

Nope, it doesn't matter how many times I rescan the Demuxed directory located inside the D_VTS_01_0 folder which is located inside my DIF4U install/default directory. Even if I delete the entire process, do it again, and just scan the DEMUXED directory, I still have the same problem. I can not proceed beyond this point. Where and what is this valid VTS directory that ScenAid is so desperatly is looking for?

:( BackWerdz:(


Oh valid VTS directory, Pleazzzzzzzzz reveal thyn divine self so that the most honorable ScenAid might proceed with it's anointed quest!! Pleazzzzzzz

[influenza]

Could you demux to an other directory than your standard dif4u install directory. This will make things a bit less confusing. :)

[D3s7]

Originally posted by BackwoodsYahoo
[B]Nope, it doesn't matter how many times I rescan the Demuxed directory located inside the D_VTS_01_0 folder which is located inside my DIF4U install/default directory. Even if I delete the entire process, do it again, and just scan the DEMUXED directory, I still have the same problem. I can not proceed beyond this point. Where and what is this valid VTS directory that ScenAid is so desperatly is looking for?


erm.. well D_VTS_01_0 is the NuMenu directory which is NOT the correct directory..

generally you have C:\MYMOVIE\D_VTS_01_0 or the like C:\MYMOVIE IS the correct demux directory.... you will NEVER find scenaid working in the D_VTS_01_0 dir

The other thing I noticed is your directory name has a space in it.. this is a big nono w/ all the big3 apps.... some of the helper apps we use don't like directories w/ spaces in the name

[BackwoodsYahoo]

Ah, so i was scanning the correct directory to begin with then. The default DIF4U directory which contains the D_VTS_01_0 directory. I'll try the process with out spaces in the directory name and see what happens. The guide should be more explanitory on this matter so as not to have this scenario happen to any one else in the future. I hope the guide author is taking notes from this fiascal.


Backwerdz

[BackwoodsYahoo]

Ok, thanks D3s7 (sort of like R2D2-Star Wars) by replacing the spaces in my DIF4U default folder name, with under scores, solved the problem of getting past ScenAid. BatchCCEWS has now started and I will now begin the encoding process with CCE. I sure hope the author of the Big 3 guide is taking notes from this noobee fiascal, so that other noobies won't suffer as I have. I'll keep everyone posted on the progress of my first ever Big 3 DVD.


BackWerdz:)

[influenza]

The guide is quite ok and the latest dif4u doesn't allow dirs with spaces in it (replaces them with underscores).

[BackwoodsYahoo]

The guide is quite ok


If you say so..., please don't take offence, I'm simply presenting myself from a new users prospective. If you don't want to improve the Big 3 experience by learning from the difficulties of the new user, then, as the author of the guide that's your right.

Scenaid has successfully finished, as has the CCE encoding process by BatchCCEWS. I'm now on to the final Scenarist portion. Hopefully everything will go as per the guide from here. As soon as I've successfully created my first Big 3 DVD Back up, I'll post my results & any other questions here. It was a rocky start, but with the huge level of excellent support here in this forum I think I'm finally on my way to success with the Big 3. Thanks to all for your unwavering help and support.:)

Merry Christmas:)


BackWerdz:D

[influenza]

as the author of the guide that's your right. I`m only co/author :sly: .
No offense taken, but I do believe the guide is quite good. All doom9 guides (written by doom9 himself) are written form the perspective of a well informed, skilled user. I do agree that this can be hard if you`re a first time user. The forum on the other hand is a very large source of usefull information in addition to the various guides. If you read the stickies and tke the time to do searches you`ll probably do just fine.

Please do also bare in mind that all authors offer their tools for free (well they won`t mind some little donation of course). In that light it`s amazing to see how quickly user request and bug fixes are implemented. I know bigger companies that ask a lot of money and still don`t offer that service level :D :D

Well hopefully you`ll be succesful from this point and that you can enjoy some nice backups during Christmas.

[BackwoodsYahoo]

Alright!!!! I've successfully created my first DVD back up using the Big 3! The final DVD-5 size is 4.35Gb. Perfect size! Wahoooo!

I'm not quit certain if it's just a limitation of the crappy color monitor I'm using, but my Main Menu looks a bit grainy. Earlier in the original thread Influenza stated:

If it's (the menu) smaller than 200 MB you might want to consider leaving it (the menu) untouched (no reencoding). To do this set a higher treshold for reencoding menus in dif4u. This is my personal setting btw. I don't find too much trouble/too less gain to encode menus smaller than 200 MB (sorry zeul ). If you do this the menus will just be copied over.

I was just wondering if you might be able to elaborate on this a little more. I would like to learn what a good average setting might be, to try backing up my next DVD with out re-encoding the menus.

Much appreciated thanks.


BackWerdz:)

[BackwoodsYahoo]

Does that mean I wouldn't have to run NuMenu4U. I would have to deselect that option in DIF4U before starting the process?


Backwerdz

[D3s7]

The key is the bitrate you choose for NuMenu for menu quality...

I use an average bitrate of 1800 personally but I know many feel that's too low and use 2000 - 2100

Average bitrate on the original assets is usually around 3100 - 4000 (just based off the ones I've checked), sometimes higher...

going from 3100-2000 on a menu that's say 200mg originally will probably bring you to 150 or so depending on the layout of the menu...

The big savings on menus is usually when there's a dummy cell (usually menus w/ very large .vobs) - like one I have the original is 1.5gig - the numenu one is 20mg - that'because there's a 1.3gig or so dummy file (just in there, not used in the layout really)

[BackwoodsYahoo]

Are these settings you're refering to found in DIF4U -> Global Options -> Other Options -> NuMenu4U Parameters? Because the only settings I have there are: Re-encode menus greater than xx MB. I'm not able to set a bit rate for menus there, as that option is not available to me in DIF4U.


BackWerdz:(

[BackwoodsYahoo]

So if what Influenza is talking about, then the setting I described above, if I set it to 200MB instead of the default 50MB or whatever the default was, then my menus, if less than 200MB, should be just copied over with out re-encoding? Is this correct? I sort of understand what your talking about D3s7, but without the option to change my menu bit rates, I'm limited to the options I do have. Am I way off here, or am I in the ball park with my setting of 200MB for Re-encode menus greater than 200MB, in DIF4U -> Global Options -> Other Options -> NuMenu4U Parameters?

BackWerdz:)

[Zeul]

You are correct in your assumptions. You version is 1.4.0 - this is for non VIPs. The bitrate for menus is the same as the extras bitrate. If you donate then you will be upgraded to the latest build.

[influenza]

The guide is written with dif4u 1.4.7 in mind. this version is available for vips (donators), so you're correct you won't find this setting.

But like d3s7 said, most people use 2000 or so as bitrate for their menus. Also most people use 2000 for their extras (so do I, only I use half-d1 for them -> yes more homework for you :)). Because of thise the setting is not really needed for a lot of people.

and: congrats :D

[Eyes`Only]

Ok, thanks D3s7 (sort of like R2D2-Star Wars) by replacing the spaces in my DIF4U default folder name, with under scores, solved the problem of getting past ScenAid. BatchCCEWS has now started and I will now begin the encoding process with CCE. I sure hope the author of the Big 3 guide is taking notes from this noobee fiascal, so that other noobies won't suffer as I have. I'll keep everyone posted on the progress of my first ever Big 3 DVD.Isn't the latest guide written by Jel the moderator?

Version 1.4.7 of DoItFast4U! won't allow spaces in filenames. It actively converts them to underscores before it even creates the directory. Therefore the guide has no need to state this, since it's written using 1.4.7.

[jel]

Isn't the latest guide written by Jel the moderator? shhhhhh ... Eyes ... its supposed to be a secret :sly:

well actually, i only updated the 'updated' version so that all the programs were current ... although i dont know how long that will last :rolleyes:

but yes, if common consensus is that there are some confusing aspects of the guide, i will try to take a look at them later in the holidays, and send doom9 an update.

btw
congratulations BackWerdz on your first 'real' back-up :D

rock on

j

[influenza]

Isn't the latest guide written by Jel the moderator?

The guide was written by doom9, I updated it a while a go, and now it was Jel the moderator's turn. So next time it will be either you or d3s7 :P

[jel]

So next time it will be either you or d3s7 :P see flu, this is the reason why i like you so much ... you always come up with the best suggestions :D

[D3s7]

As I recall I was going to do it till SOMEONE was like a two year old having to pee wanting to do it :)

[Eyes`Only]

What makes anybody think I know how to use these crappy programs? :D

[jel]

LOL! see this is why it is so hard to write a decent guide ... no-one knows what is really going on .... and by the way Dest, the truth of the matter is ... hang on, i need to take a toilet break .... brb

[D3s7]

:)

well i'm happy w/ the job such a small bladdered person did on the guide :)

[BackwoodsYahoo]

Alright already...., the guide is fine. Thanks for your help in getting the Big 3 programs to work for me. Over time, with more experience using the Apps things can only get easier from here.

Thanks & Merry Christmas

The guide is just fine, very well done.

BackWerdz