Setting default Subtitle to ON having break commands

[SidDan]

Heya..

I usually set my dvd backed up movies to my native subtitle to Default ON bu have never came across any movie before which have break commands. So I read 2Cool´s guide again to see how it was when there are break commands so I tried it out.

But there he explains I should put a new pre command before the break command which I can´t, the new pre command ends up last anyways, even when I right click at the break command and inserts a new pre command... it just comes up last.

So how do I go from there when my new pre command won´t be ahead of the 2 break commands


thanks

[jeanl]

Are you talking about PgcEdit?
In that case, you can do AddBefore in the Edit menu to add a command before another one. Or right click on the break command and chose "Add BEFORE".
Jeanl

[SidDan]

so this can´t be done in IFOedit then?

[jeanl]

I haven't looked at 2cool's guide, but I'm sure you can do that with PgcEdit. YOu'll find that it's probably much easier (if it simply entails adding/changing/moving commands)...
Jeanl

[SidDan]

alright, guess I have to get that prog also. 2Cool made an HTM guide wich regards about this PGCedit prog so I´ll just follow that one. It is in one of the sticky threads above

[SidDan]

omg that was a complicated guide after I took a closer look at it. I just wanted to enter a new pre command ahead of the Breaks and I typed in a number but it wouldn´t store the HEX values,, just a NOP. I didn´t understand much what else I needed to do cus it was a bunch....

so I simply saved the both NOP files which were before the Break commands and I entered my new value in IFOedit,,,, works like a charm and no extra fuzzle. I just need this PGCedit to enter a new NOP line ahead of the breakers

[jeanl]

Originally posted by SidDan
omg that was a complicated guide after I took a closer look at it. I just wanted to enter a new pre command ahead of the Breaks and I typed in a number but it wouldn´t store the HEX values,, just a NOP. I didn´t understand much what else I needed to do cus it was a bunch....

so I simply saved the both NOP files which were before the Break commands and I entered my new value in IFOedit,,,, works like a charm and no extra fuzzle. I just need this PGCedit to enter a new NOP line ahead of the breakers
man, are you doing it the hard way or what?! You enter your nop in PgcEdit, then you double-click on it and you can change the command to whatever command you need there... You can select the command by type, alphabetically etc etc...
No need to type in a hex command code (eeek!). I does not get much simpler than that! Of course, if you want to go do that in IFOEdit, that's just fine!
Jeanl

[2COOL]

Originally posted by SidDan
omg that was a complicated guide after I took a closer look at it.My PgcEdit guide's algorithm is different from my IfoEdit one but what's so complicated about it? I'm always open to feedbacks.

[SidDan]

ok hehe sorry. About that closer look wasn´t so very close afterall and it was late. I just tried to manually enter the HEX values and then pressed "ok" and it still was nop.
But never mind that, just have to select Alphabetically - SetSTN first so I now how to configure it now.

But I have a few wondering tho... gonna be away this weekend so no rush

When there are break commands, you describe they all need to be edited "Go To" to the newly added pre command at the bottom. But on the other IFOedit guide you describe to just have a new pre command before any Break command.
Are there any differences, and if so do I also need to edit the break commands "go to" even if there is the new pre command right before it?
I just used PGCedit to help with the ifoedit guide, to set the new 2 pre commands ahead of the 2 Breakers, and it works. Perhaps it works either way...

And I don´t quite understand with the non-solid breaks, alltho I have never came across them yet, but do they also need to be edited? just says to notice them

what is the difference with force "sub pic" and "set to" c0? I have always used c0 with my previous movies with no breaks
...

and a small notice, On nr 13 we shall select Constant Values, on default GPRMs is selected. On the contrary for me, Constant Values is always selected by default for me, maybe there ha s been an update or is it just for me, hehe.

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Overall a good guide and well described and I take back the complicated critique :) At first there was too much at once cus all I wanted to do at first was to have a pre command before the 2 Breakers but ifoedit didn´t alow me that

[2COOL]

Originally posted by SidDan
When there are break commands, you describe they all need to be edited "Go To" to the newly added pre command at the bottom. But on the other IFOedit guide you describe to just have a new pre command before any Break command.That's why I said my algorithm between the two guides were different. The end functionality is the same.

Are there any differences, and if so do I also need to edit the break commands "go to" even if there is the new pre command right before it?You are using my guides together. Please use one or the other but not both.

And I don´t quite understand with the non-solid breaks, alltho I have never came across them yet, but do they also need to be edited? just says to notice themA solid Break is a command that just says "Break". Anything other commands with the word "Break" in them are non-solid breaks. I provided examples in Step 15. I did say to take notice of them but you still have to edit them.

what is the difference with force "sub pic" and "set to" c0? I have always used c0 with my previous movies with no breaks
Forced display - A feature of DVD-Video allowing subpictures to be always displayed even if the player’s subpicture display mode is turned off. Designed for showing subtitles in a scene where the language is different from the native language of the film. You can't turn them off with the remote buttons

Non_Forced (Set to) means the On/Off feature on the DVD player remote control can be used to turn subtitles On or Off

and a small notice, On nr 13 we shall select Constant Values, on default GPRMs is selected. On the contrary for me, Constant Values is always selected by default for me, maybe there ha s been an update or is it just for me, hehe. I didn't notice but always ensure you are using constant values though.

Overall a good guide and well described and I take back the complicated critique :) At first there was too much at once cus all I wanted to do at first was to have a pre command before the 2 Breakers but ifoedit didn´t alow me that I get that response all the time with people just look at the content as a whole for a first impression. Again, the guides were created for anal-retentive users. I tried to leave little grey areas. ;)

[2COOL]

Oh, I just remembered this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=567987#post567987).

[SidDan]

alright, thanks for the answers.

but... if you or someone else have the time to explain what is the exact purpose of these breakers. Are they most common on "advanced movies" only or is there a somewhat used in a better menu system or something...

[jeanl]

SidDan,
The "break" command is just one of the commands available for "programming" DVDS. What is does is simple:
In a pre-command area of a PGC (which is really a very simple "basic-like" program), if the program encounters a break command, no other pre-command is executed and video display starts (of the video material in the PGC). This is why if you add a command and you want it to be executed before the video starts, it must appear before any break command.

I'm not too sure what happens if the break command is in the post-command area. According to dvd-replica, the execution of the post-commands ends and I guess you go to the next PGC.

You can read about it here:
http://www.dvd-replica.com/DVD/break.php

Jeanl

[2COOL]

@SidDan

If you are a programmer, the break command is similar to a Exit command.