12-14-04 on2compI gui update....see post.

[C0mPr355]

Hello all,

we are nearing completion of a possible software release of our gui On2CompI. However, as there are only a limited number of testers in the offices here we are looking for those who would like to beta test the gui themselves. Please if you would send me a private message with your email addresses that you wish to receive correspondance on this subject. I am anticipating to have the beta out for you guys within the next two weeks...and will update this thread and/or your private messages letting you know it is ready for the get go.

Thanks guys,

c0mp


*** Just posted the newest version on the site for you guys that are testing. Took some things into heart and put them into use. Still many things to go (fixes, suggestions, etc) I will also email all of you to let you know about the new version.

[slavickas]

Hi, what's output format, avi? Can You give more details about it

[Selur]

testing stuff is always nice :)

Cu Selur

[Razorblade2000]

woohooo :D
Testing :P

[C0mPr355]

As of right now the output format can be either .avi or .vp6 (meaning it is using the vp62 codec). We are still not done readying it up for you guys to mess with. Like I said within a week or so...so since my last post hopefully this week before thanksgiving vacation.

Once it is ready I will send you all private messages notifying where you can obtain your copy etc.

I will also attempt to elaborate to you all on the settings, acceptable formats, etc.

keep your eyes peeled on your inbox.

c0mp

[RadicalEd]

Will it be more advanced at all than the vfw interface? I'll bite if it will be good for quality testing as well as just the intended usability testing.

[C0mPr355]

Realesed for Testing TODAY! I will be sending you all private messages today on how to obtain your copy of it to test out.

As always I will ask you all to keep this as professional as possible with regards to comments/criticisms.

Included within the directory for you all is the on2compI beta exe and the truecast server admin exe. I have included the truecast server (which can be obtained from our site as well) for you all to test the realtime capture/compressability within on2compI specifically with different types of capture cards. As of note It is very difficult being such a small company to test every brand of capture card out there for realtime tests....so please if you have any experience with this send me information to the correct places.

As far as accepted input sources from capture card On2CompI can use either the DV interface or the Video For Windows (VFW). The card must support uncompressed video in either YV12 or I420 format.

For file based sources the above formats apply as well as RGB (which at this time is less stable than YV12 or I420).

******On2CompI cannot output WMV, Divx, etc etc. It is only able to output on2 vp6 proprietary format so keep that in mind. The input sources also cannot be a recompress from wmv, divx, etc. etc. unless of course you convert the file to a raw avi and then run it through on2compi...but by that time what would be the point.

I will attempt to address as many problems and/or log as many errors etc as I can via either email or in this thread.

Good luck all and thank you very much for this help =)

c0mp

[Selur]

here my first thoughts:

- autorefresh of the Input/Output views after one resizes the window would be better

- the input and output window should always be resized so that one sees the whole 'picture' and not just a fraction of it, if the window isn't big enough

- if one changes something in the Frame PreProcessing Options and Preview is enabled, it should automaticly refresh (it's a pain to allways press the 'Refresh'-button)

- it should be easier to access the Frame Preprocessing option, instead of the one Session button it might be better to add a button for the Source, Stream PreProcessing, Frame Preprocessing etc.

- would be cool if a 'marked' section would somhow be highlightened and if one could cut out a section (e.g. to remove commercials)

- for two pass encoding would be nice if one could select a target size instead of a target bitrate

Cu Selur

[Sharktooth]

Uhm... maybe a PM is better... :D

[Selur]

"maybe a PM is better..."
=> send my post to C0mPr355 as PM now :D

Cu Selur

[C0mPr355]

Actually even better than PM would be to send me an email directly to the email addy I put in your PM's

reason for this is I have my email open all the time, thus I can respond faster and/or read your updates on progress, thoughts, bugs, etc.

:)

c0mp

[Sharktooth]

Ok, next time i will send an email.
In the meanwhile check your PM :)

[Selur]

okay, though it would be nice if the rest could also psot their thoughts here so one knows what the rest of the testers think. :)

Cu Selur

[C0mPr355]

To those who are testing the gui please check your inbox for new information regarding the testing of our java on2comp gui software.

[bond]

nice to see that more and more commercial coding technologies developer discover doom9's high class community ;)

[Sharktooth]

EDIT: ok, i received the email... :)

[C0mPr355]

guys I am going to post a new version of the on2compI on the server again. This one should address many of the issues that you had with it recently. We are still looking into other bugs and as things get better will release newer versions for you guys to test.

[Sharktooth]

Have you thought about the things in my last email?

[the Mad Duke]

So, now that it is released, what did you testers thnk of it?

[Razorblade2000]

I'd like to have a cute little changelog :D

[Sharktooth]

Originally posted by the Mad Duke
So, now that it is released, what did you testers thnk of it?
Yep it gets released but still some suggestions i made were not taken into consideration and some submitted bugs were not fixed.
Some of them were: Batch encoding wizard, better session wizard, simplified session properties window...
In the latest version i got there were still some bugs in the preview windows (screwed images in the main GUI and in the session properties only the first frame was displayed... the rest were black frames) that were not been fixed.

[Selur]

...
- PreProcessing Preview should refresh automaticly when one cropes or moves the frame scroll bar
- the cut .. to thing should be redesigned, e.g. a way to select/delete parts like in VirtualDub
- would be nice if one moves the panels e.g. under the Input/output boxes they would be there when one opens the tool the next time

[Sharktooth]

also there should be some frameserving support (avisynth?) but that is not mandatory.

[ffmpeg]

Thanks

[Sharktooth]

???
VP6 is not mpeg4...
what do you mean?

[ffmpeg]

I knew VP6 is not MPEG4
So,I wanna know the comparation with MPEG4

At the same bit rate, which codec is better?
or,what aspect does VP6 surpass MPEG4?

Sorry for my poor English!
Thanks

[Sharktooth]

Do some search and find out yourself.
As a baseline indication, VP6 is better than MPEG4 ASP at medium and low bitrates but since some decent MPEG4 AVC (h.264) codecs just appeared (Ateme/Nero Recode 2.2) VP6 is having hard times versus mpeg4 avc but there's not so much difference between the 2.