mkvtoolnix 1.0 is out :)

[LeMoi]

With the last version, when i mux, the window disappears from the taskbar, i just can call it by alt+tab :o, but the progress bar is nice, ;)

[Mosu]

Originally posted by LeMoi
With the last version, when i mux, the window disappears from the taskbar, i just can call it by alt+tab :o, but the progress bar is nice, ;)

Thana, LeMoi: next try: http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/pre//mkvtoolnix-1.0-build20041128-1.rar It iconizes the main window before muxing (instead of "hiding" it) which keeps it in the taskbar here.

[LeMoi]

I guess the link must be this one :
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/pre/mkvtoolnix-1.0-build20041128-1.rar

thanks, i'l try and tell you ;)

[Mosu]

Originally posted by LeMoi
I guess the link must be this one :
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/pre/mkvtoolnix-1.0-build20041128-1.rar

thanks, i'l try and tell you ;)

Ups :) Of course. The usualy cut & paste problem :)

[LeMoi]

Hum, if i click on mux, the window minimizes itself and 'disappear' without i tell it to, but it's in the taskbar

[Mosu]

Originally posted by LeMoi
Hum, if i click on mux, the window minimizes itself and 'disappear' without i tell it to, but it's in the taskbar

Yes, that's intentional. Only the muxing window should be visible. I don't have time to implement a better fix at the moment because that would involve making the muxing dialogs non-modal and disabling all other controls...

[LeMoi]

I mean that the muxing window automatically minimizes, if i click on Star muxing, the desktop (or other applications opened before) appears ^^

[hippoth]

Hey Mosu,

at first a big THANKS for your great job! ;)

One question I have: In the releases before subtitles were shown by default. With your 1.0 release subtitles aren´t shown by default...thats not bad but sometimes when I have foreced subtiles it would be nice that I can set a flag (or something like this) to the subtitle that this is shown by default.
So, is it possible to make a checkbox that I can choose between showing ot not showing subtitles by default?

[Mosu]

Originally posted by hippoth
Hey Mosu,

at first a big THANKS for your great job! ;)

One question I have: In the releases before subtitles were shown by default. With your 1.0 release subtitles aren´t shown by default...thats not bad but sometimes when I have foreced subtiles it would be nice that I can set a flag (or something like this) to the subtitle that this is shown by default.
So, is it possible to make a checkbox that I can choose between showing ot not showing subtitles by default?

This has nothing to do with mkvmerge but with the playback application. Fact is that until recently TCMP interpreted the "default track" flag in the wrong way. "default track" does NOT force the player to display subtitles! It just gives a hint which track to select IF the user has turned on subtitle display.

We've only recently added a "forced display" flag. mkvmerge does not support that yet. And I as a user don't like being forced to watch subtitles. But as forced display stuff is used on DVDs as well we've included such a flag.

To make this clear: The question whether or not to show any subtitles at all should be an option in the playback application, not one of the container (safe for some special cases).

[gfh]

Sorry fom english.

I have a strange bug when I'm linking a video(xvid), audio(dts) with 0.5sec delay and subtitle(srt) with mmg.exe. When source files and output mkv in same catalog, then output is normal. When source and output in the different catalogs, then parameter delay is not working.

mkvtoolnix-1.0-build20041128-1.rar

[Cyberman]

Originally posted by Mosu
I'm not saying that mmg is total crap (who would say something like that about his own baby?), but it's pretty overloaded with functionality.
I wouldn´t say that - the required functions are quite clear, and the others are of no importance unless you need them - in which case you have to start looking into the manual anyway.

It doesn't have an online help
That´s a problem indeed. An online help would be a great addition, as it will make it easier for the occassional user.

Originally posted by Mosu
I don't think (and most of our Matroska team members agree) that this will not happen. Hardware players have very limited resources regarding memory and CPU power. Matroska on the other hand supports too many different codecs. A hardware vendor would have to support such a wide range of codecs, too, in order to be able to say "we support Matroska". Matroska's EBML basis is not the problem here -- the problem is that for some codecs like RealVideo there simply are no efficient and small decoders available.

Even if not all codecs are supported, some generic support of the container would be great.

DivX is supported by many HW player - but usually only in AVI. So you´re forced to create "hacked" files to play them on your DVD player.
Matroska is a good container that can use DivX natively - so it´d be the best trade-off, as you can use it on the PC and still could use it on HW players.

--

Do I need to say that MKVToolnix is great? ;-)

[Mosu]

Originally posted by Cyberman
I wouldn´t say that - the required functions are quite clear, and the others are of no importance unless you need them - in which case you have to start looking into the manual anyway.

Hmm. Yes. What I mean is that the most commonly used options could be grouped way better than they are now. mmg's tabs DO follow a logic, and knowing mkvmerge you'll figure out why I put the stuff where it is. But a really easy to use GUI could e.g. look like this:

1. First dialog asks you to add a couple of files. It lets you inspect the files (meaning it tells you how many tracks there are, the codecs used, duration of the file etc).
2. Then it lets you set only the most often used features which probably are track order, track language, file title, and maybe chapters.
3. Next step is to set the output file.
4. Now you have a final dialog which offers to save the settings, add it as a new job to the job queue, edit advanced features (all missing features except those in step 2) or finally start muxing.

But then again... I'm really no GUI usability guru. Maybe something else would be even better. As it is I won't implement something like that -- also because most of you feel quite comfortable with the current GUI.

This brings me to the next point:

That´s a problem indeed. An online help would be a great addition, as it will make it easier for the occassional user.

Yeah, I've thought about it, too. I will probably have to implement an online help. For that I could really use the help of someone who's good at writing easy-to-understand documentation. You know how well I do at that (just look at mmg's guide) ;)

I think I'll ask for help once I'm starting to work on that (definitely not this year anymore).

About hardware support:
Even if not all codecs are supported, some generic support of the container would be great.

Sure :) The most often asked question on the Matroska MLs is how to convert a file to something a DVD player can play. But for this feature to be really useful a player would probably have to support RealVideo and Vorbis, because those two are used very often, especially by Anime release groups. And RealVideo seems to be very low priority for HW vendors :(

Do I need to say that MKVToolnix is great? ;-)

Nope, but I love hearing it every single time :D

[Cyberman]

Originally posted by Mosu
1. First dialog asks you to add a couple of files. It lets you inspect the files (meaning it tells you how many tracks there are, the codecs used, duration of the file etc).
2. Then it lets you set only the most often used features which probably are track order, track language, file title, and maybe chapters.
3. Next step is to set the output file.

You do that and I guarantee I start using Quicktime. (Yeah, no big loss, I know.)
There is nothing worse than a know-it-all GUI that pretends to know what you want to do. Windows is the embodiment of that - hindering every second step.

The GUIs fine as it is, I say. Opening it, I can simply drag and drop files into it - no need to click around and search the file through the dialogue even though it´s right before me(in an open window).

Sure :) The most often asked question on the Matroska MLs is how to convert a file to something a DVD player can play. But for this feature to be really useful a player would probably have to support RealVideo and Vorbis, because those two are used very often, especially by Anime release groups. And RealVideo seems to be very low priority for HW vendors :(

Well, I see it this way:

Need to reencode to watch MKV on DVD Player: near 100%
Need to reencode with generic MKV support: about 80%
(Just a guess)

Even with AVI and Divx one can´t play all files - because even DivX support is restricted.

[filewalker]

1. First dialog asks you to add a couple of files. It lets you inspect the files (meaning it tells you how many tracks there are, the codecs used, duration of the file etc). 2. Then it lets you set only the most often used features which probably are track order, track language, file title, and maybe chapters. 3. Next step is to set the output file. 4. Now you have a final dialog which offers to save the settings, add it as a new job to the job queue, edit advanced features (all missing features except those in step 2) or finally start muxing.

I agree with Cyberman.

I also don't like such semi auotmatic GUIs.
I really like your current GUI as it is.
You can look around and can study all features which are possible.

Cu

[Mosu]

Okok, I get your point :) And best of all that's totally fine with me. No work for me, and you're happy as it is.

[Mosu]

Originally posted by gfh
Sorry fom english.

I have a strange bug when I'm linking a video(xvid), audio(dts) with 0.5sec delay and subtitle(srt) with mmg.exe. When source files and output mkv in same catalog, then output is normal. When source and output in the different catalogs, then parameter delay is not working.

mkvtoolnix-1.0-build20041128-1.rar

Do you mean "directory" instead of "catalog"? So when you mux

c:\videos\input.avi + c:\videos\input.wav --> c:\videos\output.mkv

then delay is working, but if you mux

c:\videos\input.avi + c:\videos\input.wav --> c:\somewhere\else\output.mkv

then delay is not working?

[gfh]

Originally posted by Mosu
Do you mean "directory" instead of "catalog"? So when you mux

c:\videos\input.avi + c:\videos\input.wav --> c:\videos\output.mkv

then delay is working, but if you mux

c:\videos\input.avi + c:\videos\input.wav --> c:\somewhere\else\output.mkv

then delay is not working?

Yes :)

[Mosu]

Ok, I'll see if I can reproduce it.

[gfh]

Originally posted by Mosu
Ok, I'll see if I can reproduce it.

I attempted mux another files and this work fine. But with file, that I mux before, it's repeated. Obviously it is a broken file(s) or aggregate of conditions: video XviD 2,2Gb (2200kb/s), audio DTS 630Mb(778kb/s) and subtitle in SRT format.

[Cyberman]

Originally posted by Mosu
Okok, I get your point :) And best of all that's totally fine with me. No work for me, and you're happy as it is.

Fine.

But, there IS something you could do. Something quite important for the survival of the GUI.

Give it an icon. The default windows "non-windows program" icon is ugly. Perhaps a variation of the Matroska Logo with a wrench to symbolize MatroskaTools.

[LeMoi]

Only one file may have an icon, the other ones are command tools : the mmg executable :D

[Mosu]

Originally posted by Cyberman
Fine.

But, there IS something you could do. Something quite important for the survival of the GUI.

Give it an icon. The default windows "non-windows program" icon is ugly. Perhaps a variation of the Matroska Logo with a wrench to symbolize MatroskaTools.

I know I know. I tried to get the application icon working back when I started with mmg but didn't succeed. Probably due to my limited GUI programming knowledge.

(Hey, that's actually a good excuse - me not having enough GUI programming knowledge. "mmg doesn't allow me to do xyz" - "That's because I can't program GUIs." or "mkvmerge crashes with a segfault :(" - "That's because I don't know much about GUI programming." or "My girlfriend just left me!" - "That's because I... Now wait a minute!")

I'll give it another try. I'll start with just the usual Matroska icon because I'm REALLY lost when it gets down to drawing nice little graphics (my artistic capabilities lie in music not in paintint/drawing). Maybe one of you mkvtoolnix users could create a nice mmg icon? :) I'd be happy to use it.

[LeMoi]

Just open a 'Matroska Icon contest' on customizing forums, you'll see the results :D

[outlyer]

@Mosu:
You can assign an icon to a top level window and IIRC (it's been ages since I touched wxWhatever) an icon can be loaded from an xpm even on windows.

[jkwarras]

Hi Mosu,

I have a request/suggestion, but I don't know if it can be done, but there you go ;)

Something I'll like to see implemented in mkvtoolnix is a mp3gain trackgain feature. I mean, consider a typical divx/mp3 where the mp3 audio file is too low or too high (broken sound). What I do it's pass it throw mp3gain and remux it to a mkv with mkvtoolnix. If it's was implemented inside mkvtoolnix it'll be great :)

For others audio formats (aac, ogg, etc...) I don't know anything similar to mp3gain apart replaygain, but this isn't supported by any video player that I know.

Thanks.

[Mosu]

Originally posted by outlyer
@Mosu:
You can assign an icon to a top level window and IIRC (it's been ages since I touched wxWhatever) an icon can be loaded from an xpm even on windows.

Yes, that is what I was struggling with. The wxWidgets docs say that wxWidgets can deal with XPM just fine on Windows, but for me it simply does not work. The same .xpm file loads fine on Linux but not on Windows (neither wxWidgets 2.4.2 nor 2.5.3 work...). So I converted the XPM to a native Windows .ico, loaded that and this seems to work: http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/pre//mkvtoolnix-1.0-build20041209-12.rar

[Mosu]

Originally posted by jkwarras
Something I'll like to see implemented in mkvtoolnix is a mp3gain trackgain feature. I mean, consider a typical divx/mp3 where the mp3 audio file is too low or too high (broken sound). What I do it's pass it throw mp3gain and remux it to a mkv with mkvtoolnix. If it's was implemented inside mkvtoolnix it'll be great :)

Sorry, but the answer is no. I don't know much about mp3gain in general but calculating the peak volume probably requires decoding the MP3 data, and mkvmerge does not and will not contain any codecs. Same for Vorbis (there is vorbisgain which probably does what mp3gain does). For AAC it's even worse: normally even decoders need a license for which I would have to pay...

[jkwarras]

Originally posted by Mosu
Sorry, but the answer is no. I don't know much about mp3gain in general but calculating the peak volume probably requires decoding the MP3 data, and mkvmerge does not and will not contain any codecs.

Honestly I don't know anything about the way mp3gain (https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=49979) works internaly (decoding, etc... which seems logical anyway). It's based in replaygain (http://replaygain.org/) as it's wavgain and vorbisgain (http://www.sjeng.org/vorbisgain.html).

AFAIK, the best replaygain tool I've ever seen is foobar replaygain which support almost any format, but the downside is that the fb2k implementation writes the info as metadata and not actually as id3v2 tags as mp3gain does, so it's not supported anywhere but in foobar. The way that mp3gain does is storing the info in a id3v2 tag, that's supported by any audioplayer I know (i.e. media player classic). Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

But if implementing this means that you have to include codec support, blabla and licencing issues or simply doing stuff you didn't intend to, then I understand completely ;)

Thanks.

[thana]

Originally posted by jkwarras
AFAIK, the best replaygain tool I've ever seen is foobar replaygain which support almost any format, but the downside is that the fb2k implementation writes the info as metadata and not actually as id3v2 tags as mp3gain does, so it's not supported anywhere but in foobar. The way that mp3gain does is storing the info in a id3v2 tag, that's supported by any audioplayer I know (i.e. media player classic). Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

that's not exactly correct. replaygain and mp3gain are two fundamentally different ways of applying the gain, only the algorithm for calculating the correct volume should be the same.

replaygain adds the calculated values in a proprietary tag to the mp3, but otherwise doesn't change anything. players with replaygain support read this tag and apply it on the fly on playback. and there are some other players besides foobar which can do this, there is even a winamp plugin with replaygain support.

mp3gain applies the calculated values directly to the mp3 in a lossless process, and because of this every mp3-decoder automatically uses the new volume, even without idv1/idv2 or any other tag.
mp3gain additionally stores the original values in an ape-tag in the mp3, so that you can (lossless) reverse the gaining at a later time if you want to, but this is not necessary for correct playback.

in either way you have to decode the mp3 beforehand for finding the peak and average volume, so it's no option for mkvtoolnix it seems.

[jkwarras]

Originally posted by thana
that's not exactly correct. replaygain and mp3gain are two fundamentally different ways of applying the gain, only the algorithm for calculating the correct volume should be the same.

Thanks for the info thana, it's always cool to learn something everyday :)

in either way you have to decode the mp3 beforehand for finding the peak and average volume, so it's no option for mkvtoolnix it seems.

:( Well, I'll live with that :D

[r0cket]

I don't even need any icons. But Mosu, please make an mmg's window position saving or make it always appear at 0,0.

[Mosu]

Originally posted by r0cket
I don't even need any icons. But Mosu, please make an mmg's window position saving or make it always appear at 0,0.

Does this build help you? http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/pre//mkvtoolnix-1.0-build20041210-1.rar

[iradic]

hi
did you ever try mkvtoolnix at 800x600 res?

some improvements would be nice...

thanks, bye

[r0cket]

Originally posted by Mosu
Does this build help you?
Yep. Thanks :)

[niamh]

A belated BIG thank you for mkvtoolnix 1.0, after 2 months of offline hell ;) I haven't been able to try it yet, but I can't wait to.

This is the "manual" icon me and a friend have been using for ages, and doesn't it look cool? :D:D (but nice to be rid of the generic white square, at long last :))

http://img121.exs.cx/img121/4724/image10wp.jpg

[outlyer]

Originally posted by niamh
This is the "manual" icon me and a friend have been using for ages, and doesn't it look cool? LOL. Quite cool, I guess Mosu will like it :)

[jkwarras]

Hi Mosu,

Any chances of getting .mht attachments auto-recognized as text/html mime/type?

Thanks in advance.

[pixolex]

Originally posted by niamh
A belated BIG thank you for mkvtoolnix 1.0, after 2 months of offline hell ;) I haven't been able to try it yet, but I can't wait to.

This is the "manual" icon me and a friend have been using for ages, and doesn't it look cool? :D:D (but nice to be rid of the generic white square, at long last :))

http://img121.exs.cx/img121/4724/image10wp.jpg

I VOTE for that Icon :D

[mikeX]

first off congratulations Mosu, mkvtoolnix is a great and useful (at least for me ;)) tool.

i've noticed a little problem, which is more of a nuissance than a real bug (sorry if it's been mentioned before but it's hard to search for it). It only happens on linux and it has to do with mmg (no particular version):

while muxing a file, the 'ok' button of the file is greyed out. If you click it as soon as it becomes available, mmg segfaults.

"as soon as it becomes available" means inbetween the time where 'Status & progress' says "Muxing in progress" and 'Ok' is available and 'Status & progress' says "mkvmerge finished with a return code of 0. Everything went fine.". Sure it's a very short amount of time, but it was long enough for me to notice ;P.

i can't reproduce it on windows ("mkvmerge finished ..." and 'Ok' becoming available seem instantaneous there).

the resulting file seems ok [mkvmerge is unaffected]

i have libwxgtk-2.4.2.6, mkvtoolnix versions are from your debian builds.

just thought i'd let you know, it's not a real/serious problem anyway...

hope you keep up the good work ; )

[Mosu]

Originally posted by iradic
hi
did you ever try mkvtoolnix at 800x600 res?

Yes.

some improvements would be nice...

Won't happen. mmg is usable in 800x600 if you move the lower end out of the screen. Everthing up to and including the output file name text box should be visible.

Sorry, but users with 800x600 are not important enough for me to completely rework the GUI. Also I cannot simply reduce the space between controls because on Linux the GTK based wxWidgets tend to create VERY large controls, and they barely fit into the GUI at the moment.

[Mosu]

Originally posted by niamh
This is the "manual" icon me and a friend have been using for ages, and doesn't it look cool? :D:D (but nice to be rid of the generic white square, at long last :))

http://img121.exs.cx/img121/4724/image10wp.jpg

Now where do I know THIS icon from? :D Definitely one of my favourites. How did you guess? :)

But I should probably stick to a more "official" and "Matroska-ish" logo.

[Mosu]

Originally posted by jkwarras
Hi Mosu,

Any chances of getting .mht attachments auto-recognized as text/html mime/type?

Thanks in advance.

Sure, easy enough, will be in 1.0.2.

[Mosu]

Originally posted by mikeX
while muxing a file, the 'ok' button of the file is greyed out. If you click it as soon as it becomes available, mmg segfaults.

Yes, I've noticed that as well. Time to do something about it...

[Mosu]

Hey,

maybe you've noticed it already: I've released v1.0.1 yesterday evening. It's really only a bug fix release with a couple of minor annoyances (nothing major). The usual links:

...to the homepage:
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/
...the source code:
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/sources/mkvtoolnix-1.0.1.tar.bz2
...the Windows binaries:
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/mkvtoolnix-1.0.1.rar

Binaries for SuSE and Fedora Core are available from the homepage.

Here's the ChangeLog since 1.0:
---------------------------------------------
2004-12-13 Moritz Bunkus <moritz@bunkus.org>
* Released v1.0.1.

2004-12-11 Moritz Bunkus <moritz@bunkus.org>
* mmg: Fixed some layout issues with wxWidgets 2.5.3 and newer.

2004-12-10 Moritz Bunkus <moritz@bunkus.org>
* mmg: new feature: The window position is saved and restored when mmg is started the next time.

2004-12-09 Moritz Bunkus <moritz@bunkus.org>
* mmg: bug fix: Fixed a crash/memory corruption showing weird characters in the input boxes. This happened when the user removed a file from mmg while mmg was updating the command line.
* mmg: bug fix: mmg now has an icon associated with it while it is running instead of the generic Windows application icon (Windows only).
* mmg: bug fix: The main window is now minimized during muxing. This allows to hide both of the windows while muxing is running and restoring them later, even if they were iconized when muxing finished (Windows only).

2004-11-26 Moritz Bunkus <moritz@bunkus.org>
* mkvmerge: bug fix: The first packet of an AAC track read from Real containers might not start at the timecode 0. This offset was ignored by mkvmerge.

2004-11-22 Moritz Bunkus <moritz@bunkus.org>
* mmg: bug fix: Made the muxing dialog ("mkvmerge is running") modal all the time. This prevents the user from hitting the main window's minimize button. On Windows this makes mmg stuck in iconized mode if it was iconized when muxing finished.

2004-11-20 Moritz Bunkus <moritz@bunkus.org>
* mkvmerge: bug fix: Fixed a buffer overflow in the UTF-8 file reading routines.
------------------------------------

Have fun :)

[jkwarras]

Originally posted by Mosu
Sure, easy enough, will be in 1.0.2.
Thanks :)

[Nic]

Hi Mosu,

I'm having trouble with mkvmerge, but it may just be my lack of understanding of the commandline (although I have tried the GUI as well)

(I've uploaded the files below to your FTP in a directory called Nic)

I'm trying to do:
mkvmerge.exe -o C:\BLACKBOOKS\wow34.mkv C:\BLACKBOOKS\wow3_NoSound.avi -y 0:-240 C:\BLACKBOOKS\wow3_-240ms.mp3

To mux the mp3 and avi together with an audio delay of -240ms. However, when I attempt this, the file cannot be played back with audio (the video works but the audio is silent (tested with MPC and VideoLan))

Smaller delay values (such as -5, etc) appear to work (although I can't tell if it's actually being delayed...that might be a feature to display in mkvinfo (in the future perhaps :) ))

What do you reckon? Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks for any guidance,
-Nic

ps
I'm using the mkvmerge from your last post in this thread (v1.0.1)

[Mosu]

Originally posted by mikeX
while muxing a file, the 'ok' button of the file is greyed out. If you click it as soon as it becomes available, mmg segfaults.

I'm not sure why it crashes (ok I do have an idea), but you can test the attached patch. It seems to work better for me with the patch.

(I guess the patch has to be approved by a moderator)

[Mosu]

Originally posted by Nic
I'm trying to do:
mkvmerge.exe -o C:\BLACKBOOKS\wow34.mkv C:\BLACKBOOKS\wow3_NoSound.avi -y 0:-240 C:\BLACKBOOKS\wow3_-240ms.mp3

Just wanted to give you some feedback: The command line looks perfectly fine. I'll check the files you've uploaded tomorrow (I hope).

[Yong]

Thank you Mosu,
This is a great software.:)

But i have a question,
why the mkvtoolnix doesn't support ASF/WMV container?

[Mosu]

Originally posted by Yong
But i have a question,
why the mkvtoolnix doesn't support ASF/WMV container?

Because Microsoft has some patents on those and has proven in the past to come after OpenSource projects (VDubMod) that implement ASF.