problems burning dvd double layer

[Peyuta-jei]

Sorry, but I've tied to make a copy of my Star Wars dvd, first of all I've made a full iso with dvdshrink (total a bit more than 7,3 Gb) so i've burned my iso with nero6.6
The dvd is playing on pc but not on any home dvdplayer.
I've even tried to bur it with decripter....but when i try to read the dvd on my pc it says that the disk is empty (but it's not).


So please could come one help me to bur a dvd double layer!

Thanks in advance to all!

[alexnoe]

- enable bitsetting
- only use Verbatim DL media, and not Ritek

[The Geek]

Use DVD Decrypter instead of DVD Shrink to create the ISO, and then use DVD Decrypter to burn it.

I think Nero still has issues with DVD+R DL (not sure on that, though).

The Geek

[hendrix]

Originally posted by The Geek
Use DVD Decrypter instead of DVD Shrink to create the ISO, and then use DVD Decrypter to burn it.

I think Nero still has issues with DVD+R DL (not sure on that, though).

The Geek
to be more precise...burn with the .MDS file NOT the .iso.

[Peyuta-jei]

I've updated my nec 3500ag firmware from 2.16 to 2.18, but still cannot find the sitting option do enable the bitsettings a syou suggested to me.
In italy I can find only philips supports, hope it's fine as verbatim.
I've used decripter to make the iso file.
Please help me.....I can burn a double layer but not see it on home dvd but on pc yes.:(

[PeterMac]

Geek and Hendrix's advice is correct.

The only reliable way to create a DL copy (currently) is to create the ISO and MDS files using Decrypter in ISO Read mode and then to burn using Decrypter. As Hendrix says, select the MDS file when you put Decrypter in ISO Write mode.

If you do this, you stand a good chance of making an exact copy of the original. Unfortunately, this means you will also get the copyright warnings, Dolby messages and all the other nonsense that spoils a DVD.

Don't worry too much about the media. Verbatim is certainly better than Ritek, but Philips should be fine. The biggest problem currently facing DL users is getting the layer-break right. Up to now, only Decrypter in its ISO Read/ISO Write mode can do it. I hope this situation changes soon as it's far from satisfactory and I for one have ceased using expensive DL until the price falls and better burning software becomes available.

-Pete

[Cliffs]

Originally posted by PeterMac
The only reliable way to create a DL copy (currently) is to create the ISO and MDS files using Decrypter in ISO Read mode and then to burn using Decrypter.

I have a comment and possibly a question about this. I picked up the NEC 3500 about three weeks ago and I'm curious about something.

The method I used to burn Dual Layer is:
Rip with DVD Shrink- "Remove Layer Break" is checked in the preferences, I remove all unwanted audio and subtitle streams just to clear clutter and then save and burn as an iso in decrypter from Shrink.

Decrypter then burns the disc (Riteks) at 4x (I have the hacked firmware to do this) and I have a finished disc in about 35-40 minutes total.

I have yet to have a failed burn or playback problems on a variety of stand-alone players (including the Zenith 318, a Samsung p241 and a very old Sony 200 discer). In fact, I seem to be getting seamless layer breaks on every disc I've burned. I have a friend with the NEC and he's been using the same method with the same results. I've checked it with the Sony players and their layer indicator, and from watching discs start to finish - no visible layer breaks. I've never seen anyone else mention this. Why?

In fact the only issue I had was with the very first burn I made, Walking Tall. I unchecked "Remove Layer Break" in Shrink and it kept the layer break pause there, even though the physical disc now had it in a different spot.

Can anyone shed any light on this. I'm not complaining, because it's a great surprize, but I find it curious that I've seen no one else talk about this.

Cliff

[alexnoe]

If your drive were writing these crap discs at 4x, it would finish in less than 30min. It's a miracle that you have players which can read them :devil:

[PeterMac]

Cliffs:

That's a very interesting experience you've had, miraculous some would say ;)

It's perfectly true that during burning the hardware will sort out when layer 0 is full and so move on to layer 1. It doesn't need a layer-break bit in the IFO file to accomplish this.

The point of the flag in the IFO file seems to be twofold:

1. It allows the author of the DVD to force the transition to take place at a point where it will be least noticed, probably a scene of minimum activity.
2. It signals something to the player (we're not sure quite what). Perhaps it's to do with cacheing or other technique to ensure the pause that occurs when the laser refocuses is as brief as possible.

That's the theory. The practice is that without the flag in the IFO file some players will not make the transition but simply jam at that point.

All of the DL discs I have made - with and without layer-breaks - play seamlessly on my computer's DVD player. Half are Riteks, half are Verbatims; they're equally as good to this player.
The story is very different on my stand-alone Pioneer 545. It will only handle exact copies done the Decrypter way.

I tried three discs on a friend's Panasonic E50, which is a recording DVD stand-alone. On that, two of the discs wouldn't play at all, wouldn't even get started. The third, a Ritek, played perfectly! (And yet the Pioneer hated that third disc)

My conclusion is that DL is not ready. You may be lucky, as in your own case, or you may be not. What is inescapable is that the media costs more than ten times the price of SL and you have about a ten times better chance of finishing up with a coaster. And for what? A movie that in most cases wasn't worth watching the first time, never mind subsequent occasions..

When the [burning] software improves and the price tumbles I'll give it another whirl, but until then I'll stay with SL.

-Pete

[Cliffs]

Originally posted by alexnoe
If your drive were writing these crap discs at 4x, it would finish in less than 30min. It's a miracle that you have players which can read them :devil:

That's right, about 25 minutes for the burn and 10-15 for the original rip for a total of 35-40 minutes.

Cliff

[Networx]

I really wish I'd read this thread before I'd spent all this money on the Sony DL burner and three Verbatim discs that are now coasters. Installed the Sony burner last night (couldn't find any firmware upgrades anywhere) and used DVD Shrink to copy a movie from my Plextor 12X to the Sony. After the rip Nero 6 started burning and then gave me a "Communications failure" error and then started writing the lead-out. I wasted all three of my expensive blanks only to find out that the technology isn't ready yet. I HATE that!

The one glitch I wanted to add is that I also can't burn a regular SL DVD with this new Sony. Has anyone had problems with the Sony DL burner and SL media? I've got all the latest versions of Nero, DVD Shrink, Roxio 7 etc... Machine is a P4 3 ghz with a gig of 3200 Dual Channel DDR ram and a pair of 74 gig Raptor drives in a raid array so I don't think my machine is an issue either.

Ideas?

Thanks.

[alexnoe]

Communications failureYour chipset, your chipset driver, your IDE interface, or your UDMA cable is broken.

[Networx]

It wasnt' my Chipset, Chipset driver, IDE cable or UDMA cable that was the problem. I had a Plextor 12X burner on the same cable as the Sony Dual Layer burner and that seemed to be causing the problem. Took it off the cable and the Sony is working fine. I'll have to add the Plextor back on another ribbon. Nice try though.

Networx

[Networx]

After figuring out that my Sony DRU-710A and my Plextor PX-712A didn't like sitting on the same IDE cable I've had great success burning copies of movies to Dual Layer media. Using DVDShrink and the latest Nero updates I just had to make one change to DVDShrink. I removed the "Remove Layer Break" check box in the Output Files tab of the Preferences and changed the size of the media to DVD-9 and then did everything the same as I would have with SL jobs except I didn't have to worry about ANY compression. Too cool!!! Burned a copy of the Rush In Rio concert video that's almost three hours long and used no compression. The copy plays perfectly in all my computers and set top DVD players. In fact the copy loads faster in my JVC than the original did. Watched the copy right to the end and no errors or other problems were noticed. Now, if only the price of the DL blanks would start to come down. I'm sure by this time next year we won't even think about SL burning anymore.

Oh ya, I'm using Verbatim DL blanks. Can't get any other kind here in Hamilton, Ontario.

Hope this story helps everyone.

Cheers,

Networx

[alexnoe]

Networx: "Broken" does not mean that every drive has to fail on it. Some drives work around some flaws in some chipset (drivers), others don't, and sometimes it's vice versa (e.g. the IDE interface of Pioneer's DVR-A03/A04 is broken, but it still works on many mainboards).

The error you get *always* means that the communication between the drive and the mainboard is broken somehow.

[Networx]

Well, that may be the case but whatever was "broken" on my machine on Friday night has now been "fixed" by taking the two burners off the same IDE channel. I don't know if it was a flaw in the Sony firmware, the Plextor firmware or my motherboard or the cable but it doesn't really matter. I've found a work around to the problem and as far as I'm concerned it's now "fixed". I'm sure that if I did a clean install of XP with both burners on the same channel I wouldn't have the same problem but I just don't have the time to start over. It would have been nice to be able to have two drives on the same cable because I've ended up loosing the use of one hard drive for the time being but I can live with this solution. Besides, when it comes to doing disc to disc copies it's always better to have the two optical drives involved on seperate channels. Also, I often burn multiple copies of discs to both burners at the same time and now that they are on seperate IDE channels that process should go faster.

Oh ya, for what it's worth, Sony's help desk gave me an entirely different solution that did absolutely no good. They had me uninstall all my burning software and install only Nero because that's what came with the Sony burner. Didn't do a damned thing. Just wasted a few hours I didn't have to waste.

Anyway, I've put way too much thought into this for a Sunday night. Time to go play Half Life 2!

Cheers,

Networx