The Shining R1 NTSC jerkiness

[Snell_Tzu]

I bought a R1 NTSC copy of Kubrick's "The Shining" beacause it has an extra half hour of material over the PAL versions. The problem is that it appears really jerky, especially the opening scene going up into the mountains which is my favourite. The R4 PAL copy I borrowed from the library doesn't seem anywhere near as jerky. Is this 3:2 pulldown effect? Would a progressive scan DVD player make it better? Would I need a progressive scan TV as well? Is there a way I can rip and then re-encode the DVD to fix it? I have DVD Shrink and DVD Rebuilder with CCE SP. I am only A newbie and I did some searching on the forum but I couldn't find any simple answers to these questions, I apologise if this has been asked before.

[Slogra]

Yes, this could be the pull down effect that you see. With the pulldown some frames are shown 2 times and others 3 times, so this will cause jerkyness.

A progressive player fixes the problem. And yes, you need a progressive TV too.

How does it look on your pc? It should be better, especially if you use a refresh rate that is a multiple of 24, like 72hz.

Or you can try converting it from NTSC to PAL. This will involve total reencoding. I'm not sure which software is easiest/best for this. I know DVD2SVCD can do this.

[smiller667]

Hi & welcome to the board,

the bigger issue is maybe the framerate conversion done by your player - as you live in a PAL country,I assume you are using a standalone set to produce PAL output.

In that case, NTSC material is converted to PAL50 output by dropping frames to achieve the correct framerate. This results in really bad stuttering (pulldown stutters are nothing compared to it).

If your TV supports NTSC as well, setting your player's output to "auto" should fix the framerate conversion stutter (basically the player will output either PAL or NTSC as needed, depending on the dvd you play).

Some (few?) players allegedly convert NTSC to PAL60 - i.e. the framerate is not changed, no stuttering occurs. However, not all PAL TVs support video with this framerate (an old one of mine would lose sync).

For a convenient way to convert to a true PAL disc, I'd give dvd2svcd a try.

[Slogra]

Yep, you're right, smiller. I forgot about that possility because my player can only output NTSC or PAL60 when it comes to NTSC DVDs.

[Snell_Tzu]

Thanks guys.
I thought the standalone DVD player was set to auto select between NTSC & PAL but when I checked the book its default setting is PAL so I changed it to multi (my el cheapo Chinese 80cm TV is multi format) and bingo the stutter is gone. I changed back to double check and the stutter was back. I won't bother with the conversion now, the stutter before made the DVD almost unwatchable. I've learnt a bit along the way. I guess converting it to PAL wouldn't give any better vertical resolution? I don't know if I am imagining it but I seem to notice a difference with the couple of NTSC discs I have. Will dvd2svcd also work on dvd to dvd?

[smiller667]

Nominally, the resolution of a PAL conversion will be higher, but you won't gain anything in terms of information if you convert from 480 vert. to 576 vertical - the information is just not available in the source material and the higher amount of lines will be obtained through interpolation.

dvd2svcd has a dvd2mode (as well as an avi2dvd/(s)vcd mode).