DVD-RB v0.65 Distributed to VIPs

[jdobbs]

I've completed distribution of the newest DVD-RB version. I used a VIP list I'd created based upon addresses reported by PayPal and e-mail addresses I've built over time. Unfortunately I received "bounce-back" on several of the contributors. If you feel you should have received a copy of the new version but didn't -- please drop me a PM and provide an e-mail address.

Thanks -- jdobbs

[NobbyNobbs]

I guess I'm one of those, as I have changed my e-mail since my donation, but will send in a new donation, then it should work.:D

edit: now the new donation is on the way.:)

[btspm]

I have a question about future distribution of new versions. Lets say, after a few days, VIP users find some obvious bugs in the new 0.65 verison. And again hypothetically, 0.65a comes out 10 days after 0.65 to squash those bugs. What version will you release 30 days after the VIP release of 0.65? I don't have the resources to donate, but I completely support your way of rewarding donators. OTOH, I personally don't see a huge problem releasing a slightly newer version to the rest of us if it is just bug fixes.

What's your take/plans jdobbs?

[geffroman]

jdobbs... before I say anything that could be taken badly let me once again compliment you on DVD-RB... I love the program... I have donated several times and will do so again...

All that said... I have 3 requests:

I really would prefer to have the old interface as a standard option... I know some people are into the skins thing... but I want my programs to look like programs... and frankly one guy's idea of cool graphics is another man's turn off...

Can we have back the controls to pick our own color and standard skin... Maybe it makes most sense to allow DVD-RB to pick up the colors from windows... After all, people set up their own environment with whatever colors and schemes they like... so using the Windows variables just as 99% of all software does allows the user to have the look he/she wants...

Also, can we have back the larger window for path names... this is essential if you save files to the My Documents folder on an XP computer...

Lastly, the Optional Destination Path should not appear when it's turned off... I am sure people will try to use it and wonder why they can't and ask the question several times before you get frustrated and change that...
I'll finish up by saying I am SORRY your new cool GUI isn't appealing to me... It is safer to appeal to the conservative masses when it comes to design... I just don't want to hate the interface everytime I turn it on...

Thanks again... Jeff

[Redbacks]

Thanks jdobbs for the little pressie in my inbox.

[TheSeeker]

So just to clarify... What is the distribution method now? Non vip users get each new version 30 days after non vip users? So for example .65 just came out just a few days ago so 30 days from now non vip users would get .65, and vip users might have an even newer version? is that right? If so I think I will have to donate. Hell I will prolly donate anyways.

[jptheripper]

I love the interface, however I am having a font issue on my laptop where the txt is all over the place.

Attached..

[eriksen76]

What is new on 065 exept for the Multiangle option? Can't find a "read me file". I now its only for VIP but I'm a bit curious.

/Julius

[wmansir]

- Integrated an exciting new visual interface designed by Rockas. Thanks, my friend. May the road rise up to meet you, and the wind be always at your back. This interface is the first step in enabling "skin" capability for DVD-RB.

- Multiple angles and ILVU (Interleaved VOBU Units) are now supported. The method used has worked successfully on all multiangle and seamless branching discs I've tested to date.

- Note: The greatest challenge I've run into with multiple angles and ILVU is that they are already pretty tightly bitrate bound -- and any smaller sizing at all seems to noticably degrade the quality. So for this version I've decided to not further compress the ILVU portion of a film. In my testing it has shown to not be worth the quality loss -- the largest ILVU portion of any film I've found is too small to have any significant impact on available bitrate. I can readdress if anyone finds a DVD in which this isn't the case.

- Fixed an error in which the "Steal Space From Extras" settings were not loading properly from .RBD files during batch encoding.

- Added a new selection list to the main screen so subpicture streams can now be individually selected. Be careful when removing subpictures, especially when they are shown as "Unk" -- some special features can rely on subpictures. I personally never remove any subpictures -- they are too small to even consider for recovering space.

@jptheripper

If you use the IMG tag instead of attaching the file it will appear immediately instead of having to wait for me to approve it. If you need online hosting I suggest www.imageshack.us . When you upload it to them they will generate the forum code to insert it into your post.

[jptheripper]

okay good to know ty

[jdobbs]

That picture is the oddest thing I have ever seen... has anyone else experienced anything like this?

As for the standard interface... one of the advantages of skins are that you can use whatever interface suits you, including a conservative one.

Hmmm... I got lots and lots of complaints about the "old fashioned" and "ugly" interface. Now I get the same for the new one.

[jptheripper]

yeah i have had text issues before on interfaces and ie windows (think its a bad font thing).. its probably an error on my end only..

[jacota]

yes. on my interface, the text on the working path and the output path are below the sight level. all you can see are c:\program.

i think the new interface is cool and much more professional looking than before. i really like the box showing the audio streams and subtitles to keep. i used to use shrink for this, but no more.

richard

[GZZ]

Can anyone answeer what btspm ask previous ?

I have a question about future distribution of new versions. Lets say, after a few days, VIP users find some obvious bugs in the new 0.65 verison. And again hypothetically, 0.65a comes out 10 days after 0.65 to squash those bugs. What version will you release 30 days after the VIP release of 0.65? I don't have the resources to donate, but I completely support your way of rewarding donators. OTOH, I personally don't see a huge problem releasing a slightly newer version to the rest of us if it is just bug fixes.

What's your take/plans jdobbs?


Secondly, are there other ways to pay, I have seriously problem with paybal and always had, so I dropped it...But still want to constribute...?

GZZ

[ron spencer]

just curious as to why DVD-RB is always a "beta" version. Says so when you run it....is this going to be sold later or something?

Just curious that is all...nice prog.

[YaoMing11]

I've been a fan of DVD-RB since the beginning of the year, and plan on donating since to show my support. The new interface looks awesome and very professional, and I cant wait to start encoding those multi-angled movies. :)

[gcmospeada]

im not a vip
im just a regular asshole. lol

[Rockas]

Please guys... be patient
I went through a lot of work to came up with the interface (almost cost me a divorce :D - I was out of bed till 5:00am)... I'll make more with different colors and effects (but I need that the effect that this one had on my wife goes away:D )

keep it UP

[AmigaFuture]

Wow, a lot of feedback. It suprised me to see it, but I do like the look. As I told JDobbs in private I just want fuctionality over Eye-Candy. However I *DO* like the Eye-Candy Rockas has made just wasn't expecting such a stunning BLUE. :) HAHA! It's cool though.

My 1st test DVD (RUSH In Rio) with the new version didn't go as planned. I used CCE & the outcome looked horrible & the parts with Angles looked like they were LOST.. However, I had just woken up & in the process of doing other file management, I deleted the directories... ARGH!!

I just noticed that ReJig (I was going to try a FAST Transcoding for sake of SPEED Test) doesn't like this DVD either. So I have CCE working in 1 pass w/analysis mode. I'll let you know how it turns out THIS time, JDOBBS. ;)

I'll try The Matrix after RUSH In Rio (Live Concert). Rockas, I like your work. I'm looking forward to more skins to pick from. Nicely done. I do agree, however, keep the ability to have the Non-Skin if someone desires it.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by ron spencer
just curious as to why DVD-RB is always a "beta" version. Says so when you run it....is this going to be sold later or something?

Just curious that is all...nice prog. It's in beta because it still has errors and is in initial development (see the picture a few posts up!). The last major change I was planning to make in beta was ILVU/angles. As soon as I get that reasonably debugged (it was just released in beta, there are bound to be problems found) I will probably release version 1.00 and beta will end.

My plan is to continue to provide DVD-RB as a freeware.

[GitsLM]

Hi, made a donation a few days ago but did not receive any info :( Could you please check.

[idbirch2]

I'm glad you're keeping this as freeware but also agree with you doing more to get donations from people for this excellent piece of software. I have been using DVD-RB since its first beta and this move has finally pushed me to make a donation - $30 coming your way jdobbs. I hope others are made to feel a donation is worthwhile too.

Keep up the excellent work! :D

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by GitsLM
Hi, made a donation a few days ago but did not receive any info :( Could you please check. I've sent to every donator. PM me with your email address.

[lamster]

Originally posted by geffroman
Also, can we have back the larger window for path names...

I really have to second this. The smaller field hurts, considering that we can't scroll to make sure that it's set right.

I'd really like to have it as an editable field, so I could just paste in the desired path. If you don't want to have to add code to verify that the path is good and really only want to allow entry via the Browse button, could you at least make it a scrollable field that allows for selection and copy-to-clipboard?

[AmigaFuture]

@JDobbs

The RUSH In Rio DVD2.

Original is: 6.60GB after DvdReMake Pro 2.5.3.
CCE'd is: 994MB

There are 7 VTSes, with 2, 3, 4, & 7 being what looks like, cut out by DVD-RB. And the main, VTS 1, being very, very short. Looks horrible.

This was done with CCE, 1 Pass VBR OFF, VBR Passes 2.

Previously I tried CCE, 1 Pass VBR ON. And it failed durring the 1st step of 3.

Need any other Debuggin' info? Let me know.

[geffroman]

Originally posted by jptheripper
I love the interface, however I am having a font issue on my laptop where the txt is all over the place.

Attached.. The only thing wrong is that you have larger fonts selected... Reset your fonts to standard windows font size (96dpi)... DVD-RB doesn't stretch the graphic image to fill the larger program window created by Windows when non standard font sizes are selected.

One more reason to lose the blue graphic until the proggie has a more professional interface. It just makes the proggie bigger, wasting space on the desktop. I'd focus first on functionality. Things like being able to ADD a folder when browsing paths... editable paths so larger path fields are not needed... The new GUI just isn't Windows friendly yet. Skin colors just shouldn't come before proper windows compatibilty and functionality.

[Kwark]

I'm a Big3 user (latest DIF4U), but that combo still isn't perfect with multiangle/BOV.
Does this latest DVDRB version (0.65) work on very complex titles, like Matrix and Finding Nemo too?

[Sir Didymus]

@kwark

I can tell that BOV are fully handled and properly working (it should be since releases around 0.46).

Regarding ILVU contents, let's wait some days in order to collect users's reports. Rebuilder release 0.65 should support these contents, and by the way its approach is very smart on what I see ;) . Up to now I see nobody disappointed about this...

Cheers
SD

[Sir Didymus]

Originally posted by Rockas
Please guys... be patient
I went through a lot of work to came up with the interface (almost cost me a divorce :D - I was out of bed till 5:00am)... I'll make more with different colors and effects (but I need that the effect that this one had on my wife goes away:D )

keep it UP

Hi Rockas,

Keep up with the improvements (even in your personal live :p ...)...
I didn't liked too much the previous interface (and the actual NEEDS improvements, IMHO), so skins are exactely what it needs to cope with the different personal flawors...

Cheers,
SD

[Faust2]

Well, since i'm not so very important a person, almost til a can get paypal to work for me, this is a shot in the blue. anyway, i'm just curious, so here i go:

from the readme of .65 (i don't have it, but...)
- Note: The greatest challenge I've run into with multiple angles and ILVU is that they are already pretty tightly bitrate bound -- and any smaller sizing at all seems to noticably degrade the quality. So for this version I've decided to not further compress the ILVU portion of a film. In my testing it has shown to not be worth the quality loss -- the largest ILVU portion of any film I've found is too small to have any significant impact on available bitrate. I can readdress if anyone finds a DVD in which this isn't the case.


I don't really get this. In case for finding Nemo, where there is an option to "cut" the making of in the movie (i guess this is interleaving), will rb refuse to compress the making of (which is of some 20-30 mins)? or the main film? or both? What part is in this case the "ILVU portion"?
sorry if this a too noobish question, but, as i said, im just curious...

[jdobbs]

What you'll find is that there are only small sequences that use ILVU within the overall movie. For example, the Matrix does a lot of interleaving... but the total amount of ILVU video comes to about 250MB (I'm working from memory here)... if you reduced that to, say, 70% -- you'd save a whopping 70MB (out of 4,700MB on a disc), while hurting the quality of the ILVU significantly (ILVU interleaves 2 or more sets of VOB sectors together -- but still has to meet the 1X spin speed thresholds of DVD... there's more to it because of buffering, but you get my point).

[pg55555]

AmigaFuture

Probably this is not the thread for your question, you should have opened a new thread. But, to make things short:

Original is: 6.60GB after DvdReMake Pro 2.5.3.
Sometimes RB does not like pre-processed inputs, specially the Remake kind.

So, my recomendation is use DVD Rebuilder to process your original ripped un-processed files. And post-process with Remake.
If you are using Remake to get freee of unwanted material in order to have more space for the movie, you can set RB to produce an oversized output (with the CCETargetSector hidden setting).
The tricky part is to estimate how much you have to oversize:D
Ideas:
- Remember RB does not touch menues, so if you remake menues, oversize for the MB you are going to reduce you menus
- If you are going to eliminate some extras, you can use RBOpt to set RB to not compress those extras and add the size of those extras to your oversize.

[CoNS]

I've just recently registered here at the Doom9 forums, though I've visited as an anonymous user for quite some time.

Now that I'm able to post here, I just want to thank you, jdobbs, for your great work on DVD-RB. It's a very helpful tool.

:thanks:

[AmigaFuture]

@pg55555

It seemed like the right thread. I guess I'll find out soon enough. :) I'm aware that DVD-RB doesn't always like pre-processed inputs, however, DVD-RB has handled all of my inputs so far that I've pre-processed with DvdReMake Pro just fine. It seems that Dimad & JDobbs have done work to support one another and come a long way. I've seen this very same comment you've pointed out elsewhere, I don't remember if it was you or not that make the point.
I want to re-render more than once with DVD-RB so I'll stay with DvdReMake Pro as a pre-processor, but I appreciate the reminder. However, to address the problem I had with my DVD... Yes, I did have DVD-RB (VIP) process the ripped content without pre-processing, too, with the same results. I expect errors or bugs to still be there...so it's cool. :)

I'm trying my Matrix now. Shall see how it comes out. It looks like JDobbs has had no problem there. RUSH In Rio (DVD2) has on screen selectable angels so I didn't honestly expect IT to work well yet.

I'm sure JDobbs saw my reply, so I won't make a new thread just yet.
In the future I will. Thanks for your concern, pg55555, I appreciate it.

Originally posted by pg55555
AmigaFuture

Probably this is not the thread for your question, you should have opened a new thread. But, to make things short:


Sometimes RB does not like pre-processed inputs, specially the Remake kind.

So, my recomendation is use DVD Rebuilder to process your original ripped un-processed files. And post-process with Remake.
If you are using Remake to get freee of unwanted material in order to have more space for the movie, you can set RB to produce an oversized output (with the CCETargetSector hidden setting).
The tricky part is to estimate how much you have to oversize:D
Ideas:
- Remember RB does not touch menues, so if you remake menues, oversize for the MB you are going to reduce you menus
- If you are going to eliminate some extras, you can use RBOpt to set RB to not compress those extras and add the size of those extras to your oversize.

[nburles]

Mainly to say - Thanks for DVD-RB!

I don't personally care about the aesthetics of skinning/GUI - but I know it is important to some people, so well done for the start that's been made!

Just a quick question/comment/suggestion?!... would it not be possible to post the changelog for v0.65 (and future versions) in the thread like you used to (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75452) but just not attach the file until a month later? This would firstly mean you'd be able to easily keep track of when a new VIP version was released (and therefore when it is to be publicly released), but also possibly help to persuade other people to donate as they see the development progressing nicely... without them!

Just a thought.

EDIT: Ah, what a wonderful package to arrive in the [e-]mail!

Cheers
NBurles

[Lazza]

Originally posted by nburles
Mainly to say - Thanks for DVD-RB!

I don't personally care about the aesthetics of skinning/GUI - but I know it is important to some people, so well done for the start that's been made!

Just a quick question/comment/suggestion?!... would it not be possible to post the changelog for v0.65 (and future versions) in the thread like you used to (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75452) but just not attach the file until a month later? This would firstly mean you'd be able to easily keep track of when a new VIP version was released (and therefore when it is to be publicly released), but also possibly help to persuade other people to donate as they see the development progressing nicely... without them!

Just a thought.

EDIT: Ah, what a wonderful package to arrive in the [e-]mail!

Cheers
NBurles

Yes posting of changelog would be good for all I think too. ;)

Don't want to sound ungrateful but as many others have said I prefered the old Gui too (sorry!!! lol ), I know a lot of hard work must have gone into the new one and am sure many prefer it but just hope there will be a choice in future versions between the two. But hey, that's no big deal really. Thx ever so much for 0.65, brilliant stuff! :cool:

[maksa]

I had same problem with interface as jptheripper. I was able to track it to settings of the video card.

If you have Properties>Settings>DPI Settings set to Large Font (126DPI) instead of Normal Font(96 DPI) it happens. Lot's of people use Large font because they want 1280x1024 resolution, but have small monitors to see anything with Normal setting. I think that RB can be fixed to use fixed font, rather than system font of the video adapter.

Hope this helps,
Maksa

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by TheSeeker
So just to clarify... What is the distribution method now? Non vip users get each new version 30 days after non vip users? So for example .65 just came out just a few days ago so 30 days from now non vip users would get .65, and vip users might have an even newer version? is that right? If so I think I will have to donate. Hell I will prolly donate anyways. Here's how I plan for it to work. Whenever I release a new minor version (x.xx) I will release it to VIP users. I will also, based upon feed back that the VIP beta group provides make quick fixes to that minor version using letter extensions (e.g. 0.65a). When 30 days have gone by from the first date of release of that minor version I will release it, and all its corrections (a, b, c, etc.) -- that way we don't have to readdress old bugs in the general population.

Most of you who know me know that 30 days is a long time, and can result in more than one version!

Hope that clears it up a little.

[mcbelly]

Are the files zipped ? Or exe ? I think my spam filter will have a hard time letting those filetypes pass.
Isn´t there another way of distribution ? FTP download or so...

mcbelly

[Lazza]

Originally posted by mcbelly
Are the files zipped ? Or exe ? I think my spam filter will have a hard time letting those filetypes pass.
Isn´t there another way of distribution ? FTP download or so...

mcbelly
Comes in a .zip file m8 so should be fine with your spam filter. :)

[duartix]

I second what maksa has said:
Everyone who uses a LCD monitor knows that you have to run it in the native resolution, or else you'll be dealing with text artifacts. Unless you are running in a 3000" LCD you are then likely to have very small text. That's why people resize Windows fonts.

It doesn't make any sense to reduce font size in order to run this or that program. Unfortunately I've seen many people developing sofware unaware of this.
I hope this is addressed.
Thanks.

[Kwark]

I'm not a real expert, and your ILVU explanation was kinda confusing to me..
Can the latest DVD-RB (0.65 atm) fully handle The Matrix? Resulting in a reencoded video, but with intact dvd navigation structure?
If so, I'm very interested in this latest DVD-RB, and will lookup my paypal info..

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by duartix
I second what maksa has said:
Everyone who uses a LCD monitor knows that you have to run it in the native resolution, or else you'll be dealing with text artifacts. Unless you are running in a 3000" LCD you are then likely to have very small text. That's why people resize Windows fonts.

It doesn't make any sense to reduce font size in order to run this or that program. Unfortunately I've seen many people developing sofware unaware of this.
I hope this is addressed.
Thanks. I'd point out that resizing fonts is a very rare occurance -- that's why I didn't give it any thought. I have a fix and will release it in the 0.65a version.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Kwark
I'm not a real expert, and your ILVU explanation was kinda confusing to me..
Can the latest DVD-RB (0.65 atm) fully handle The Matrix? Resulting in a reencoded video, but with intact dvd navigation structure?
If so, I'm very interested in this latest DVD-RB, and will lookup my paypal info.. I specifically did The Matrix in my tests. It appears to have worked correctly. But -- as I'm finding out from the beta group there may be unconsidered things that need to be adjusted -- for example:

- If you are resizing or using filters
- VTSs that are 100% ILVU don't seem to be working.
- ReJig seems to have stopped working correctly with ILVU

Please remember -- a beta is released specifically to find and correct errors. This is the first release of the ILVU code -- I expect to have to make a lot of corrections in the 0.65a version.

[khrian]

Donation was send - ready to test :).

[jptheripper]

i can confirm it was a font dpi issue.

thanx ..

and yes it was on a laptop.. I was using 1600x1200 rez

-JP

now to find my first multi-angle to test

[AmigaFuture]

@Kwark

Originally posted by Kwark
Can the latest DVD-RB (0.65 atm) fully handle The Matrix? Resulting in a reencoded video, but with intact dvd navigation structure?
If so, I'm very interested in this latest DVD-RB, and will lookup my paypal info..

With my Matrix (USA), it bailed after I selected the directory so I'd say not yet. I don't us extra filters either (that I'm aware of..) Give it some time. :)

[jptheripper]

odd since jdobbs said this was one of his test disks (the matrix)

[lamster]

Originally posted by AmigaFuture
it bailed after I selected the directory
That sounds like a problem unrelated to the particular DVD being backed up, since when you're selecting the directory it hasn't started doing anything yet.

I've got "The Matrix" (NTSC; region 1) going now. It's in phase 2 with no unexpected problems so far.

Anything unusual about where you have the files stored? E.g., spaces or other unusual characters in the path?

[AmigaFuture]

@jptheripper

That's what I thought. It bailed on a straight rip & after pre-processing with DvdReMake Pro (2.5.3) I'm use USA, I'm not sure if he is. I need to recheck all my settings with DVD Decrypter (I don't usually stray from the default though...)