Having issue's with DVD-RB and CCE v2.67

[BlkPnthr]

I am relatively new to the forum and did read the FAQ and dig back through a lot of posts but, nothing that really seemed to answer my problem.

I am running DVD-RB 0.64a along with CCE v2.67 and EclCCE v1.81. I have it all setup in DVD-RB however, when I hit "Transcode" and it get's to the end of the first file and CCE is opened by EclCCE, I get an error screen and don't know what it means. Error message reads:

"Frame size 1192 x 56 is not supported. Supported frame size is up to 720 x 576".

Anyone else run into this problem?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You 8)

(ps..have it set for 7-pass)


Cheers

[pg55555]

Most probably is a problem with the avs scrip, related to your setup.

You mention using CCE 2.67, I suppose trial, as you are using EclCCE too. What version of Avisynth are you using?

Please post the content of your Rebuilder.ini file and of the .avs file CCE is processing when you get the error.

[pg55555]

And for testing purpose just use 2 passes, so the time to get to the result is shorter.

And for final results, the programmers of CCE themselves say than more than 5 passes is not udefull. In this forum lots of people would say more than 2 is not necessary

[BlkPnthr]

As soon as I get the error, I will post the contents. And yes, is trial. Am not using Avisynth but rather, the "new" file they recommended with v0.64a (DGMPGDec v1.0.12).

I'll be sure to reduce my passes when doing it for testing.

btw..you say more then 5 is defeating the purpose (1+4 or 1+5)?

Thanks again.

Cheers

[dvdRENEGADE]

Originally posted by BlkPnthr
Am not using Avisynth but rather, the "new" file they recommended with v0.64a (DGMPGDec v1.0.12).


You still need Avisynth. You just don't need MPEG2Dec3dg.dll anymore.
dvdRENEGADE

[pg55555]

As dvdRENEGADE says you NEED Avisynth. So surelly there is the problem.


btw..you say more then 5 is defeating the purpose (1+4 or 1+5)?

1+4

[BlkPnthr]

Thanks for that. Will ensure I have my "passes" set right.

1) On that note, it did encode (without Avisynth) however, bitrate is low (between 3700 and 3950). I originally had it set for 8-pass.

I have a 7.80 GB movie I am using DVD-RB on (everything I want removed ....is removed). What sorts of bitrates should I be getting (or at least, could expect) using a 5-pass?

2) Where in the "setup" do I put avisynth (because it used to go in the "decoder" "slot" however, that new file goes there. Does it go where it states "DECOMB.DLL"?

Thanks again for all your help.

Cheers

[pg55555]

Bitrate has nothing to do with the number of passes. You are going to have the same bitrate for any number of passes. What the number of passes do is improve bitrate distribution, alocating more bitrate where it is needed more, but as the average bitrate is always the same, it does by reducing the bitrate in other place.

By the law of diminishing returns, this improvement in the bitrate allocation diminishes with each pass. As mentioned before, some people think the extra improvement you get after the second pas (1+1) is not worth the extra time. But all is question of opinion

You do not need to indicate to RB where it is Avisynth. So just run the Avysinth .exe and it will install itself. It is recomended, although, to put Decomb and the Decode file you are using into the pluging subdirectory of your Avisynth installation

[BlkPnthr]

Sounds good. Thx for the explanation. I did think the bitrate was going to improve. If I've used 5-pass and my end average bitrate is 3500 (with a compresstion of 90.1%) I shouldn't worry about it (just want to ensure I am understanding you right). I had always been led to believe that a higher bitrate was better....and could be achieved with DVD-RB + CCE.

Log from last rip processed:

Transcoding...
-----------------
[20:51:43] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- VTS_01: 2,189,623 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 164,029 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 90.1%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,510Kbs
- Space for Video : 2,931,532KB
- HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates: 4,300/2,631/3,510 Kbs
[20:55:11] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 4 minutes.
[20:55:11] Phase II ENCODING started
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 2
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 3
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 4
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 5
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 6
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 7
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 8
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 9
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- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 11
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 12
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- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 14
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- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 25
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 26
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 27
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 28
[00:12:32] Phase II ENCODING completed in 197 minutes.
[00:12:32] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
- Processing VTS_01
- Rebuilding segment 0 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 1
- Rebuilding segment 1 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 2
- Rebuilding segment 2 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 3
- Rebuilding segment 3 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 4
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- Rebuilding segment 28 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 29
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_01_0.IFO
Correcting VTS Sectors...
[00:28:12] Phase III, REBUILD completed in 16 minutes.

Done.


I will do as you suggest and will install AVISynth (along with DECOMB.DLL into the AVISynth directory). I had always thought that you needed to "point" to the file, thusly, that is how the program knew the file was there but, if you are suggesting to me to simply install it and DVD-RB do it's job, then I will give that a try as well.

Thanks

Cheers

:cool:

[pg55555]

I do not understand your last post. From the status log you posted it seems all went OK and the error you mention at the begining of the thread is gone, but you are saying
I will do as you suggest and will install AVISynth
So that log is from a process BEFORE you installed AVISynth?

Regarding the AVISynth installation, I do not know much about Windows internal working, but I think it works in this way: durint installation, the file Avisynth.dll is installed in the Windows\System32 directory. In this way AVISynth becomes integrated into Windows, so when it is ready to work hwen it is required.

[BlkPnthr]

That is correct, the log I posted was before I installed AVISAynth but, was recommended to install it. I did and so far, no new (or old) problems have arisen but, am unsure as to the type of bitrate's I should be expecting from a 7.80 Gig rip.

The log I have from my 7.80 Gig post, recently done with 5-pass and AVISynth install is as follows:

Transcoding...
-----------------
[05:34:56] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- VTS_01: 4,089,360 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 217,040 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 53.1%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,798Kbs
- Space for Video : 4,197,044KB
- HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates: 3,831/393/3,798 Kbs
[05:54:52] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 20 minutes.
[05:54:52] Phase II ENCODING started
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 2
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 3
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 4
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 5
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 6
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 7
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 8
[10:25:41] Phase II ENCODING completed in 271 minutes.
[10:25:41] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
- Processing VTS_01
- Rebuilding segment 0 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 1
- Rebuilding segment 1 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 2
- Rebuilding segment 2 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 3
- Rebuilding segment 3 VOBID: 1 CELLID: 4
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Rebuilding segment 4 VOBID: 2 CELLID: 1
- Rebuilding segment 5 VOBID: 2 CELLID: 2
- Rebuilding segment 6 VOBID: 2 CELLID: 3
- Rebuilding segment 7 VOBID: 2 CELLID: 4
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_02
- Rebuilding segment 8 VOBID: 3 CELLID: 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_03
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_01_0.IFO
Correcting VTS Sectors...
[10:43:37] Phase III, REBUILD completed in 18 minutes.

Done.


If the log shows that I did it right and the bitrate's are fine, then I can "close" this subject and get on with posting.

Thank you for all your help. It has been GREATLY appreciated.

Cheers

8)

[pg55555]

The log looks right. I would recommend to run your output from your HD using a software player (WinDVD, PowerDVD, Zoom Player,...)before burning. And use a DVD+/-RW to test it the first time if you prefer no not risk a coaster:)

Regarding bitrates: Again, no relation between number of passes and bitrates.
Bitrates are only related to the information you want to put into a disk and the size of the disk. In a DVD+/-R the size is fixed (4.37 GB), so the only variable is the amount of information. You can look at the bitrate calculators and look what variables affect your bitrate, none of them is the number of passes. The number of passes only affect the distribution of the available average bitrate among the frames.


There are some variables to change the average bitrate of the main movie:
- Number and class of the audio streams: If you want to keep more than one audio (English and Spanish in my case), each of them take its own space, leaving less room for the video. DTS occupies more space than 5.1 streams, and 5.1 occupies more sapce than 2 chamnnel stereo.
- Extras and menues: They occupy space, so reducing space and bitrate for the main movie. You can preprocess with Shrink eliminating them. Or you can use Rebuilder "Half D1 for extras" and "Steal Space from Extras" options to reduce the suze of the Extras (and their sizes) and so getting more bitrate for the main movie.

[BlkPnthr]

With your help, I am beginning to understand. All is going well so far. I did play with some of the "Hidden Settings" and am going to see what happens. I have some time to kill and this way, I can get a feel for DVD-RB anyways. Good recommendation on the DVD-RW first. I typically do run from the HDD first but, didn't know if that was accurate as to what I was going to see on the TV as sometimes my PC freezes yet, my standalone plays it fine and vice versa.

Thanks again.

Cheers