What do you use to copy PAL to NTSC??

[mouln]

I want to copy a 0 Region PAL DVD to a Region 1 NTSC.
I've searched this board and have not been able to find a clear answer.
I'm sure I'm not the first one who's faced this problem
What have you used to accomplish this with decent results.
Your help is greatly appreciated!

[alexM]

As NTSC is 30 fps and PAL 25 fps decent results are almost impossible to obtain. But if you insist, Nero Vision Express 2 can do it.

[TheSeeker]

I have heard tmpgenc gives decent results. But as alexM has stated, since you are going from 25fps source material to 29.997 fps source material the resulting quality usually leaves much to be desired.

[Kika]

Use the Search-Button. You will find some good and proven ways to do a propper PAL<->NTSC Conversion.

[Richk50]

Intervideo DVDCopy claims to do it, though I haven't tried it myself.
I only buy DVD players that play both.

http://www.intervideo.com/jsp/InterVideoDVDCopy.jsp?mode=ComparisonChart

[jippiejajee]

more simple solution if you own a capture card capable of capturing in mpg2 format
Play the DVD on a standalone player (one that can play as well PAL as DVD but outputs a NTSC videosignal) and recapture it in NTSC using capture card. Then author it to DVD. Most of the time quicker then re-encode and... better quality, you won't notice the difference assuming your (s-)video signal is of good quality

[Kika]

@jippiejajee
That's meant as a silly joke, isn't it?

The Conversion, some DVD-Players are able to do, is one of the badest things in the Videoworld.
The Playback will be Jerky, the Quality is crap.
There is only one really good way - the use of AVISynth and the Scripts, providet here on the Board. Why you don't use the Search-Button as suggested?
:devil:

[jippiejajee]

Originally posted by Kika
@jippiejajee
That's meant as a silly joke, isn't it?

The Conversion, some DVD-Players are able to do, is one of the badest things in the Videoworld.
The Playback will be Jerky, the Quality is crap.
There is only one really good way - the use of AVISynth and the Scripts, providet here on the Board. Why you don't use the Search-Button as suggested?
:devil:

.:confused: Kika, don't see why I should use the search button, and no it is not a silly joke.

I live in the Netherlands Europe and thats a PAL country, however my standalone DVD player can play as well PAL as NTSC discs and will give PAL video output signal. On another one I have you can even to chose if you want NTSC or PAL as video output signal. Maybe in the USA these players are more rare but here in Europe they are quite commen. It is like a software DVD player on your computer, that can also play NTSC or PAL discs without a probem. They just read the data, produce the frames to be displayed and convert that to a video signal.
I often buy disc in Asia, like Taiwan or China and those are most of the time NTSC (region free). However my DVD standalone plays these disc without a problem and output the video signal in PAL to TV or my capture card. I use this method very often and I can tell you its really working. For capture I use a dazzle DVCII, the quality of the captured files is very good. The diffrence with the original can hardly be seen. :D

So maybe its an idea that you use the search button and explore the features of standalone DVD players :p

[Richk50]

"Maybe in the USA these players are more rare but here in Europe they are quite commen.'

They are very common here also. Virtually all the inexpensive ones are region free.
I just got a DVD Player for free, because I spent a certain amount of money in a department store. It looks like a cheap piece of junk, but it plays everything.

[scharfis_brain]

Originally posted by jippiejajee
The diffrence with the original can hardly be seen. :D


then, you must be blind....

or, proove us that kind of 'high quality' by providing a sample!

[jippiejajee]

Originally posted by scharfis_brain
then, you must be blind....

or, proove us that kind of 'high quality' by providing a sample!

who, who... , can assure I am not blind,

Now how do you want the prove. I have not much space on server of my ISP (10MB) so it will be only a few seconds of video. Would that be sufficient to convince you ?

[scharfis_brain]

jep some seconds would completely sufficient.
(at least 3 secs per sample)

please do two samples, if possible:
1) a continous pan, or movement
2) a static scene with lots of detail

[jippiejajee]

well here some sample clips

it concernr bruce almighty,
original is vob as present on DVD
captured is captured from videosignal of DVDplayer using DVCII with standard DVD template (8 Mb/s)

original (http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~f.vandewiel1/proof/original-1.mpg)

captured (http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~f.vandewiel1/proof/captured.mpg)

[scharfis_brain]

this is not a standards conversion!

all you did was reducing the imaga from 16:9 anamorphic to 16:9 letterboxed.

You claimed being able to convert a NTSC-DVD to PAL-DVD using your method.

but both videos you provided are PAL.

I was awaiting an NTSC-orignal and a captured PAL-clip...
(or vice versa)

[jippiejajee]

hope you noticed that one file was the original vob and the other one is a captured video signal from the DVD by my DVCII capture card. Apperently you also can not see the difference in quality as I predicted.

Later today I will change the files showing an original in NTSC and one in PAL captured with the capture card

[jippiejajee]

well
here it is, same clip, but now captured in ntsc

captured ntsc (http://members.brabant.chello.nl/~f.vandewiel1/proof/captured-ntsc.mpg)

must admit some loss of quality but quite acceptable

[scharfis_brain]

interesting, this one looks okay, cause its source is progressive FILM.
but I would never would do it like this, cause it is a waste of bitrate caused of the introduced interlacing.


could you do some other tests?

1) search for a DVD, that has FILM-content (both standards: NTSC & PAL), but has been encoded interlaced (DVD2AVI will help you identifing such discs!), convert those video to the opposite standard using your capping-method.

2) search for a disk with video-content (true 50 or 59.94 fields per second motion)
convert this disc to the opposite standard.

[jippiejajee]

sorry to keep you waiting but I was busy with other issue

..mm can not find such I disc, seems only my caps from DV camcorder are interlaced (as to be expected)but what would it learn us more ?

BTW I loaded the NTSC captured file in virtualdun (mpge2) I tried the de-interlace filters, with that you can further improve the quality but then the advantage of direct capture is lost (even when using frame server of virtual dub to prevent huge space requiring avi file and directly feed the input to re-encode program like TMPenc)

[jippiejajee]

he mr. brain
are you still out there, still waiting on an answer form you

[scharfis_brain]

answer to which question?

I just can comment about your deinterlacing:

deinterlacing such footage in Vdub is not an good idea.

better go for telecide for avisynth.

[jippiejajee]

my question was: what would the additional tests you suggested learn us more ?

[scharfis_brain]

it will show, that a NTSC -> PAL conversion of interlaced encoded DVDs will fail.
(PAL to NTSC is an easy thing, cause you only need to duplicate fields)

[jippiejajee]

Understand (I think) your point. If I encounter such a disc I will give it a try, but in case my standalone DVD player is able to output it as NTSC (in acceptable quality), I can capture it. So if it fails it will be in the standalone DVD player.
Fortunately all (commercial) discs I have seen so far were not interlaced. :D