DVD-Rebuilder still gives oversized copies

[bigelow01]

I am using DVD-Rebuilder, at this moment version 0.58 but I have also used 0.56 and 0.57 before with the same results. I want to compress large movies like Lord of the Rings III on a 4.5 gb dvd but using DVD-Rebuilder with CCE 2.5 or CCE 2.7 I see no compression results, the backup copie is still over 7 gb large.
On the main movie there is just a little compression but I need more.
I have put the TargetSectors option in the Rebuilder.ini but this has no effect.
What I am doing wrong ?? Is there any option to give up the compression rate or something like that ?? Please help me......

[erdoke]

Would you please give the version numbers and types for the components you use? CCE SP (trial or retail), AviSynth, EclCCE, etc.
Basic settings of Rebuilder would also be useful.

[Faust2]

And be sure you look only at the size of the VIDEO_TS folder created by rb in the rebuild (step3) process. Because the d2vavs folder contains (after encode step) the reencoded mpeg2-streams, which you don't need for burning. And I would try it without any special setting (delete your rebuilder.ini file).

[bigelow01]

I still look into the video_ts map and the movie is still over 7 gb large.
I use DVD Rebuilder with CCE 2.50 and CCE 2.67. I have everything in default options, 7 CCE passes. Is there anything that I have to switch ??

[erdoke]

Originally posted by bigelow01
I still look into the video_ts map and the movie is still over 7 gb large.
I use DVD Rebuilder with CCE 2.50 and CCE 2.67. I have everything in default options, 7 CCE passes. Is there anything that I have to switch ??

If you don't give us your settings how will we be able to tell you which setting is wrong?:confused:

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by bigelow01
I still look into the video_ts map and the movie is still over 7 gb large.
I use DVD Rebuilder with CCE 2.50 and CCE 2.67. I have everything in default options, 7 CCE passes. Is there anything that I have to switch ?? Are you sure you're looking at the right location? The VIDEO_TS folder that in the "Working" path?

[bigelow01]

Hello,

I am not a dude, I know where to look into which map the
program stores the new copie, it's my map in D:\TEST
and I only look into the VIDEO_TS map

my rebuilder.ini file :

[Paths]
CCE250=C:\Program Files\DVD Rebuilder\Cinema Craft Encoder SP\cctsp.exe
CCENEW=C:\Program Files\Cinema Craft Encoder SP v2.67.00.27\cctsp.exe
REJIG=C:\dvd-software\ReJig\ReJig.exe
QuEnc=C:\dvd-software\QuEnc\QuEnc.exe
MPEG2DEC=C:\Program Files\DVD Rebuilder\AviSynth\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll
DECOMB=C:\Program Files\DVD Rebuilder\AviSynth\plugins\Decomb521.dll
Source=D:\MOVIES\LORDS 3 NL\VIDEO_TS\
Working=D:\TEST\
[Options]
TargetSectors=2236400
CCE=1
OneClick=0
Completed=2


more settings in DVD-Rebuilder which are active :

Mode :
CCE Mode
Verbose Status Window
Dynamically Assign Cell Bitrates

Options :
AVS Options, ConvertToYUY2(), AudioDub(BlankClip())
CCE Option, CCE SP

in the DVD-RB Setup I have the following paths for CCE :

Path to CCE SP 2.50 : C:\Program Files\DVD Rebuilder\Cinema Craft
Encoder SP\cctsp.exe

Path to CCE SP (New) : C:\Program Files\Cinema Craft Encoder SP v2.27.00.27\\cctsp.exe


I hope this is enough to see what's wrong in my settings.
Thanks all for your interest and help.

Alex.

[jdobbs]

How many VTSs are there in the original -- and how many are under 50MB?

[erdoke]

Originally posted by bigelow01
In the DVD-RB Setup I have the following paths for CCE :

Path to CCE SP 2.50 : C:\Program Files\DVD Rebuilder\Cinema Craft
Encoder SP\cctsp.exe

Path to CCE SP (New) : C:\Program Files\Cinema Craft Encoder SP v2.27.00.27\\cctsp.exe


If you use CCE SP retail versions this is the right configuration for v. 2.67.00.27. Concerning CCE SP 2.50 I'm not sure, but guess that it is the same as with the trial version of 2.67.00.xx: You should use EclCCE for .ecl project file support (left out from trial version), and give the EclCCE path at the settings of RB.

[bigelow01]

This the VIDEO_TS map of Lords of the Rings III, from the
original DVD :

21-05-2004 23:12 14.336 VIDEO_TS.BUP
21-05-2004 23:12 14.336 VIDEO_TS.IFO
21-05-2004 23:12 10.240 VIDEO_TS.VOB
21-05-2004 23:12 18.432 VTS_01_0.BUP
21-05-2004 23:12 18.432 VTS_01_0.IFO
21-05-2004 23:12 10.240 VTS_01_0.VOB
21-05-2004 23:12 28.809.216 VTS_01_1.VOB
21-05-2004 23:12 18.432 VTS_02_0.BUP
21-05-2004 23:12 18.432 VTS_02_0.IFO
21-05-2004 23:12 10.240 VTS_02_0.VOB
21-05-2004 23:12 6.750.208 VTS_02_1.VOB
21-05-2004 23:12 108.544 VTS_03_0.BUP
21-05-2004 23:12 108.544 VTS_03_0.IFO
21-05-2004 23:13 155.379.712 VTS_03_0.VOB
21-05-2004 23:16 1.073.739.776 VTS_03_1.VOB
21-05-2004 23:18 1.073.739.776 VTS_03_2.VOB
21-05-2004 23:20 1.073.739.776 VTS_03_3.VOB
21-05-2004 23:20 391.045.120 VTS_03_4.VOB
21-05-2004 23:22 1.073.739.776 VTS_03_5.VOB
21-05-2004 23:24 1.073.739.776 VTS_03_6.VOB
21-05-2004 23:27 1.073.739.776 VTS_03_7.VOB
21-05-2004 23:29 802.140.160 VTS_03_8.VOB
23 bestand(en) 7.826.913.280 bytes

[bigelow01]

and this is not the only dvd which I cannot compress :

Big Fish
Brother Bear

both are little too large to fit on a 4,5 gb dvd-r.
Brother Bear also gives an error during compressing

[robot1]

Originally posted by bigelow01

CCENEW=C:\Program Files\Cinema Craft Encoder SP v2.67.00.27\cctsp.exe
Is it the retail version?
If you are in 3 clicks mode, have you done again the "prepare step" when upgraded to 0.58?
I think you used the .ecl from an older version, which were not compatible to CCE SP 2.67.xx.xx retail.

[fritzdis]

In the D2VAVS folder, do you see a .VAF file for every .M2V file? If not, some or all of the segments have been set to encode as CBR instead of multipass VBR. This just happened to me, and the result was over 7 GB of files. When I ran the Prepare phase again, the segments were correctly set to VBR. I don't know what might have caused the CBR setting the first time around, and I'm pretty sure I didn't change anything other than the destination folder between the first time I did the prepare and the second time (but I can't be sure). If anyone cares to take a look, here (http://home.comcast.net/~fritzdis/REBUILDER1.rar) are REBUILDER.ECL and REBUILDER.inf from the first time I prepared, and here (http://home.comcast.net/~fritzdis/REBUILDER2.rar) they are from the second time.

[robot1]

Originally posted by fritzdis
In the D2VAVS folder, do you see a .VAF file for every .M2V file? If not, some or all of the segments have been set to encode as CBR instead of multipass VBR. This just happened to me, and the result was over 7 GB of files. When I ran the Prepare phase again, the segments were correctly set to VBR. I don't know what might have caused the CBR setting the first time around, and I'm pretty sure I didn't change anything other than the destination folder between the first time I did the prepare and the second time (but I can't be sure). If anyone cares to take a look, here (http://home.comcast.net/~fritzdis/REBUILDER1.rar) are REBUILDER.ECL and REBUILDER.inf from the first time I prepared, and here (http://home.comcast.net/~fritzdis/REBUILDER2.rar) they are from the second time. From the changelog of DVD-RB v0.59:
- Fixed a problem in which version update checks were not being recorded when changed in the SETUP dialog (only on startup).
If you used v0.58, probably the first time it used the old code (for CCE SP 2.67 trial)

[fritzdis]

Originally posted by robot1
From the changelog of DVD-RB v0.59:
- Fixed a problem in which version update checks were not being recorded when changed in the SETUP dialog (only on startup).
If you used v0.58, probably the first time it used the old code (for CCE SP 2.67 trial)
This occurred with DVD-RB 0.59, CCE SP Trial 2.67.00.27, and EclCCE 1.81.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by erdoke
If you use CCE SP retail versions this is the right configuration for v. 2.67.00.27. Concerning CCE SP 2.50 I'm not sure, but guess that it is the same as with the trial version of 2.67.00.xx: You should use EclCCE for .ecl project file support (left out from trial version), and give the EclCCE path at the settings of RB. You have to use ECLCCE with 2.50 -- that version doesn't have command line interpretation without it.

[djackson]

Source : Mystic River (disc 1 PAL R4)
Rebuilder: varied
CCE : 2.67 SP
ECL : 1.81

Made 3 runs at this, this is the first oversize/error code prob I've had in many backups (no probs since the early 0.3x's). Any assistance with the oversizing would be appreciated.

1st run with 0.59: Preprocessed source with DVD ReMake Pro, ended up with a #0003 error.
2nd run with 0.59: No preproc, ended up 2Gb oversize.
3rd run with 0.57: No preproc, correct size.

[erdoke]

Originally posted by jdobbs
You have to use ECLCCE with 2.50 -- that version doesn't have command line interpretation without it.

THX, then my guess was right.

BTW we still don't know that the topic starter used retail or trial version. Can a trial version without EclCCE result in such problem?

[jdobbs]

A trial version without ECLCCE won't work at all, so it isn't likely to be the cause of an oversize.

[jdobbs]

A trial version without ECLCCE won't work at all, so it isn't likely to be the cause of an oversize.

An oversize of 7GB, however, isn't likely to be simply DVD-RB related... There is something else wrong too. If it oversized to, say, 4.39GB and wouldn't fit I'd say "Yeah, with the right number of simultaneous circumstances, that could happen." -- but at 7GB, no compression is taking place at all. The ONLY way I could imagine that happening would be:

1. An entire disc in which all VTSs are under 50MB -- so none shrink.

2. An ECL was output incorrectly or manipulated and the video_type variable in the ECL was set to Constant Bitrate and/or the bitrate was changed to a higher value.

If some part of the REBUILDER.INI file, the Rebuilder Log, and the .ECL were posted it would be a lot easier to figure out.

[djackson]

Have done a side-by-side compare of the 0.57 & 0.59 files;

log files are the same:
-----------------
[07:23:27] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- VTS_01: 3,277,799 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 200,842 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 64.5%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,909Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,833,794KB
- HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates: 4,442/137/3,909 Kbs
[07:30:24] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 7 minutes.

.inf files look the same

.ecl files vary slightly
in .57 -> video_type=4
in .59 -> video_type=16
and in .59 the following are added that dont appear in .57
q_char_f=16
tc_offset=0
v_filter=0
v_filter_val=6
pict_name=
pict_type=3
pict_level=255

I'm going to try the .57 ecl file with .59 to see what happens.

ADDED: Did the preparation phase with .57, encode & rebuild phase with .59 and did not get the oversize prob.

[Atlantis]

I also get bigger than original size results!
I use DR 0.59 with
Cinema Craft Encoder Sp v2.67.00.27 trial & Eclcce v1.81
During the encode I noticed that CCE is encoding at 1 pass 6 Mb bitrate
But the setting is set to 2 and it report that it should encode it at around 3.5 Mb bitrate!
What should I do?

[robot1]

From the reports, I think sometimes DVD-RB prepare the .ecl for CCE SP 2.67.xx.xx even if users use Trial version + EclCCE.
Could it be a little bug in the version-check code?

For everyone having oversize problems, run prepare with dvd-rb 0.57 and it will be fine.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by djackson
Have done a side-by-side compare of the 0.57 & 0.59 files;

log files are the same:
-----------------
[07:23:27] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- VTS_01: 3,277,799 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 200,842 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 64.5%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,909Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,833,794KB
- HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates: 4,442/137/3,909 Kbs
[07:30:24] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 7 minutes.

.inf files look the same

.ecl files vary slightly
in .57 -> video_type=4
in .59 -> video_type=16
and in .59 the following are added that dont appear in .57
q_char_f=16
tc_offset=0
v_filter=0
v_filter_val=6
pict_name=
pict_type=3
pict_level=255

I'm going to try the .57 ecl file with .59 to see what happens.

ADDED: Did the preparation phase with .57, encode & rebuild phase with .59 and did not get the oversize prob. Those are all changes that should be inserted if you are using v2.67.xx.xx. There is special code, however, that prevents it from being used if your CCE path is toECLCCE.EXE.

You haven't, by chance, changed the name of ECLCCE.EXE to another name, have you?

Another possibility is that these changes don't apply to all versions of 2.67 -- does anyone know if these were implemented somewhere other that at the first 2.67 version?

[Atlantis]

OK, I prepared with 0.57 and am doing the rest with 0.59 and it seems it's working fine. It's encoding at 2 pass and the correct bitrate. Final result in few hours.

[Atlantis]

About 2 pass. I see each segment getting a vaf and immediately after that a m2v file. Is this normal? I mean shouldn’t it analyze the whole movie first and then encode the segments?

[robot1]

Originally posted by Atlantis
About 2 pass. I see each segment getting a vaf and immediately after that a m2v file. Is this normal? I mean shouldn’t it analyze the whole movie first and then encode the segments? Yes, it's the way rebuilder works.
The whole movie is analyzed by rebuilder, which assigns the right bitrate to every segment.
CCE has to encode every segment according the bitrate given by dvd-rb.

[djackson]

@jdobbs
Have made no changes to eclcce at all, path or naming. Just checked my version of CCE and its possibly another variant "SDK Version 2.67 CCE", maybe this is throwing things with the version check code? To complicate things, my first attempt at Mystic River (disc 1&2) was part of a batch job, disc 1 was oversize, disc 2 was OK. Just deleted the rebuilder.ini and recreated as I don't always delete it when changing versions, but no changes still running at 6Mb as per Atlantis observation.

[Paths]
Source=P:\VIDEO_TS\
Working=V:\DVD-BUILDER\MR_059\
CCENEW=D:\CCE SP\ccesp.exe
REJIG=D:\DVD-Rebuilder\ReJig05e.exe
QuEnc=D:\DVD-Rebuilder\QuEnc.exe
MPEG2DEC=D:\DVD-Rebuilder\Libs\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll
DECOMB=D:\DVD-Rebuilder\Libs\Decomb511.dll
[Options]
LogFile=1
NoWarn=1
CCE=1
RemoveDTS=1
LoadPlugin=1
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=25
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=2

@atlantis
Just did a quick test of the first few segments with 2-pass based on your observation, and CCE is running at 6Mb encoding.

[jdobbs]

@djackson

What is the full version number you are using? It should show under the "Help" menu and choosing "About" it will be 2.67.xx.xx.

[djackson]

The full version number in "Help/About" is:

CCE SP SDK version 2.67 CCE (bulid 18:45:37 Nov 13)

[jdobbs]

It doesn't have the long version number above that one?

[djackson]

No sorry, thats the only version info shown.