V59 Dropout Fix For Ntsc Users?

[gizzin]

Can Anyone of the NTSC users verify if this fixes the dropout or blip audio error? I don't have enough HD space to try and do a encode with the new version. Can anyone verify this? If you can post a message. Thanks for any info

[brikin]

.59 fixed my problems I was having with the audio dropouts. I have only tested this on X2 NTSC but it worked. I am assuming that would fix it for my other movies.

[gizzin]

Good job on the fix jdobbs, and Sir Didymus for originally pointing out the problem. Even though i haven't verified it yet.

[lamster]

I regret to say that it didn't fix it for me on the first one I tried (Master of Disguise). That was done using just the Prepare / Rebuild phases against something that had already been processed previously. I've also redone Lord of the Rings - Return of the King; that's burning now.

(Update: ) Finished burning; tried it; no good (in the problematic player).

[Sir Didymus]

Originally posted by gizzin
Good job on the fix jdobbs, and Sir Didymus for originally pointing out the problem. Even though i haven't verified it yet.
You'd better VERIFY AND DOUBLE CHECK this on your own...
I am relly not so positive on the issue as I was a couple of days ago...

[Sir Didymus]

Originally posted by brikin
.59 fixed my problems I was having with the audio dropouts. I have only tested this on X2 NTSC but it worked. I am assuming that would fix it for my other movies.
Very happy to ear this...
But please consider you are the only user reporting positive results...
So my suggestion to you is NOT TO ASSUME the fix is working on all your titles: just check carefully every one...

@lamster
Could you do a try using a -RW or -R disk ? It could be useful to verify that what you are reporting is not due to media and/or player compatibility issues...

Cheers,
SD

[fritzdis]

Unfortunately, I too can confirm that the dropout issue is not entirely fixed in v0.59. For the one (and only) disc I have with dropouts from previous versions, redoing the movie with v0.59 changes nothing with regards to the dropouts. I confirmed with scr.exe that all the SCR difference errors were gone.

[lamster]

Originally posted by Sir Didymus
@lamster
Could you do a try using a -RW or -R disk ?

Not yet, but I have a dual-format burner on order.


It could be useful to verify that what you are reporting is not due to media and/or player compatibility issues...

I'm fairly certain that I've played non-compressed backups on that machine without any problems, but I'll double-check tonight.

(The Polaroid is a progressive-scan machine; I wonder if that could have anything to do with it?)

[Oldeman]

I am sad to say that I still have audio dropouts on certain Toshiba DVD players using DVD-RB v.59 and Quenc version .53.
Audio and video are fine on Apex 1500, and Philips DVDR75,
audio has dropouts on Toshibas 3950, 4800 and 4900 models. It doesn't seem as bad as before, but this could be movie dependent.
The video is great however using 2 pass Quenc.

[Oldeman]

I would like to add that redoing same movie with Shrink 3.2 and burning at 2.4x on TDK DVD+R(ricohjpn1) with Pinnacle instant disk works perfectly.

System is 3.0E P4 with 512Mb, WinXP SP2, 2 hard drives, HP400I burner.

I burn a lot of DVDs, the problem is not media related, at least in my case.

[dannyv]

Originally posted by gizzin
Can Anyone of the NTSC users verify if this fixes the dropout or blip audio error? I don't have enough HD space to try and do a encode with the new version. Can anyone verify this? If you can post a message. Thanks for any info

Tried dvd-rebulder 57 57a 58 and 59 on LOR fellowship of the ring extended version with the DTS sound track and had audio dropouts on my panasonic stand alone DVD but it played fine in powerdvd. Re-did the movie in shrink and had no audio dropout. Then did the movie in nero recode and had no audio dropouts. Used the same ritek dvd-rw disk for all the tests so its not the media. DVD-rebuilder is a great program I hope the audio bugs get worked out soon.

[jdobbs]

Hmmm... do you ever get this problem without DTS?

[glassvial]

Sorry to stick my nose in here, but wouldn't it help to also mention what encoder and version you're using along with what version of RB?

Also, this audio dropout is only happening on standalones, not on any software DVD players (ie WinDVD, PowerDVD)?

I guess I haven't noticed this problem yet but I'm still "new" to RB I guess ;)

[lamster]

Originally posted by glassvial
Also, this audio dropout is only happening on standalones, not on any software DVD players (ie WinDVD, PowerDVD)?

Correct.

I guess I haven't noticed this problem yet

It appears to be specific to certain models; you might not have a machine that exhibits the problem. (I have one that does and one that doesn't, and unfortunately was checking all my RW burns on the "good" machine before writing them permanently, so I didn't know that they would have problems if I tried to play them on the other player.)

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by glassvial
I guess I haven't noticed this problem yet but I'm still "new" to RB I guess ;) Most people have never seen this. I've never has a single audio dropout in many, many discs. That's what's frustrating -- this is only happening on a small subset of users and I can't find anything uniques about their setup.

[dannyv]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Hmmm... do you ever get this problem without DTS?

Funny now that you mention it. I did the passion in DTS and it came out fine. I have only done 5-6 movies with rebuilder and LOR was the first to display this problem. I even re-did LOR and the dropouts appeared in other parts of the movie so it was not limited to the same part(s) of the movie everytime. I did LOR ROTK in AC3 and the audio was fine. I will try the AC3 version of the fellowship and report back.

If there is anything you want me to try or anything I can do to assist you in nailing this thing down please let me know.

Originally posted by glassvial
Sorry to stick my nose in here, but wouldn't it help to also mention what encoder and version you're using along with what version of RB?


I've tryed it with rb 57, 57a, 58 & 59 as mentioned in my previous post. the encoder is CCE 2.50se.

[glassvial]

Ok, stirring the pot a little more...

Avisynth version?
EclCCE, yes, no, version?
Tried another encoder, or a newer version of the same encoder?
Proper MPEG2DEC3DG.DLL installed, or re-installed?
Using decomb, yes, no, version?
Using any other plugins?
Have you run a memtest lately?

Anything else you can think to ask, jdobbs?

[dannyv]

Originally posted by glassvial
Ok, stirring the pot a little more...

Avisynth version?
EclCCE, yes, no, version?
Tried another encoder, or a newer version of the same encoder?
Proper MPEG2DEC3DG.DLL installed, or re-installed?
Using decomb, yes, no, version?
Using any other plugins?
Have you run a memtest lately?

Anything else you can think to ask, jdobbs?

Here's my setup

Avisynth 2.55
Eclcce 1.81
CCE 2.50SP Did not try another encoder but I've read that it does it with Quenc too.
MPEG2Dec3dg.dll which I got from the DVD2AVI v1.1.0 package and I did not uninstall and reinstall it.
Not using Decomb or any other plugin
Ran MemTest86 v3.0 for 24 hours last week when this all started happening and it came up fine.

I have AMD 2700 PC which I'm going to set RB up on and see if it does the same thing. I'll report back.

[glassvial]

Ok I'm going to go out on a limb and assume most people are running XP. If so, SP1 or SP2? Have you tried un/re-installed AVISynth, Rebuilder and CCE (either if you've applied a service pack or not, but especially after you apply SP2)?

Grabbing at straws.... :)

[dannyv]

Originally posted by glassvial
Ok I'm going to go out on a limb and assume most people are running XP. If so, SP1 or SP2? Have you tried un/re-installed AVISynth, Rebuilder and CCE (either if you've applied a service pack or not, but especially after you apply SP2)?

Grabbing at straws.... :)

Runing 2000 server and no updates were done prior to this problem. I'm going to set RB up on an entirly different machine and re-test.

[lamster]

Originally posted by glassvial
Ok I'm going to go out on a limb and assume most people are running XP.

You know what they say when you assume, don't you? :devil:

I'm running Windows 2000 SP4 on all the machines I've been using to rebuild.

Note that using Rejig in place of QuEnc (everything else the same) seemed to cure the problem.

[dannyv]

I also read in one of the threads that this may have something to do with the SA being a progressive scan. My SA is also a progressive scan (Panasonic not sure of the model I'm at work now and can't check).

Also its not memory because this only shows up on an SA, in powerdvd it plays perfect. My PC does output DTS and is set up for descrete surround which is outputed via the PC's sound card to the 5 channel PC speakers and can also be outputed via an sp/dif using an optical cable to my yamaha receiver. It plays fine via the PC speakers but I haven't tried outputting via sp/dif so that is also worth exploring. I'll report my findings.

[lamster]

Originally posted by dannyv
I also read in one of the threads that this may have something to do with the SA being a progressive scan. My SA is also a progressive scan (Panasonic not sure of the model I'm at work now and can't check).

I had mentioned that the Polaroid DVP-300 is progressive scan. Since you're now reporting that the problem also occurs for you on a progressive scan machine, this gets more interesting.

Can anyone else reporting the problem let us know if the machine you're experiencing the problem on is progressive scan?

[glassvial]

Originally posted by lamster
You know what they say when you assume, don't you? :devil:

I'm running Windows 2000 SP4 on all the machines I've been using to rebuild.

Note that using Rejig in place of QuEnc (everything else the same) seemed to cure the problem.
Assume, wild ass guess, whichever, like I said, grabbing at straws. I was primarily thinking of the problems some people have reported after installing SP2 for XP, and how an un/re-install of the problematic program tended to fix it ;)

Nice workaround, eh?

One of my machines is Win2K (SP4 too) and another is XP :cool:

[fritzdis]

Originally posted by lamster
Can anyone else reporting the problem let us know if the machine you're experiencing the problem on is progressive scan?
Mine is not progressive scan, so it's not limited to progressive scan models (that's not to say that progressive scan models wouldn't be more affected - those models might have been made with tighter adherance to standards or something).

[gizzin]

I'm regretful to inform that the dropouts ARE ALL GONE!!!. I did gang related again 1pass same settings as before. Good job again to jdobbs and sir didymus.

The Problem is fixed as far as im concerned

[glassvial]

Originally posted by gizzin
I'm regretful to inform that the dropouts ARE ALL GONE!!!. I did gang related again 1pass same settings as before. Good job again to jdobbs and sir didymus.

The Problem is fixed as far as im concerned
What did you do to solve it?

[gizzin]

I used version 59 of rebuilder

[glassvial]

Mind sharing with the group what programs you have, versions, etc? :)

Congrats on it working for you. There's hope yet! :D

[Sir Didymus]

@gizzin
good!

I don't know if it is too early to summarise, but let me state some sentences:

1. At least it seems that release 0.59 is curing the troubles related to audio dropouts for some (limited number of) people.

2. Other ones (that suffered from the problem previous to release 0.59) are still experiencing it, exactely (or more or less) in the same places where they were present previously.

3. No one seems to report new dropout problems (i.e. dropouts present in 0.59 and not present in previous DVD-RB releases).

[gizzin]

Im using CinemaCraft MPEG Encoder v2.67.00.23, CloneDVD2 to burn it.

Didymus

If you didn't notice, from what i read is that the dropouts for other people are probably pal or non rebuilder related.

[fritzdis]

Originally posted by gizzin
If you didn't notice, from what i read is that the dropouts for other people are probably pal or non rebuilder related.
It's definitely not limited to PAL, since I'm in NTSC-land and have seen the problem even with v0.59.

[dannyv]

Originally posted by gizzin

If you didn't notice, from what i read is that the dropouts for other people are probably pal or non rebuilder related.

I was not able to test last night but I wanted to add that I am also an NTSC user.

[gizzin]

I did another encode of gang related this time i did 7pass. And also i took out the french and spanish audio streams using rebuilder. The dropouts are in the same place again. But the 1pass encode of gang related doesn't have them... Does this help at all because im hoping it will.

[gizzin]

i guess its not limited to pal

[dannyv]

I'm Wondering if frame serving could have somthing to do with the audio drop out. I say this because I did LOR fellowship sometime ago using the robshot method (decrypt, demux, cce, pulldown, reauthor)and that works fine. The difference is it uses the older avisysth and mpeg2dec. Maybe the newer avisysth and mpeg3decdg is screwing up the time stamp. I'm not a programmer and don't pretend to know how these programs work internally so please excuse me if this observation sounds really stupid.

[dannyv]

Installed rb 0.59 on my other PC and it worked fine on lor. I've since done several other copies and so far no audio drop outs. I'll load .61 on my original pc and see what happens.

[gizzin]

dannyv so you are not getting any more dropouts, because with 60b it is even worse, when i tried summer of sam.

[brikin]

I replied earlier that my dropouts were fixed. Most of them are .... now instead of getting 40 throughout the film I get 1 or 2. JDobbs it is looking good....the audio dropouts I have are hardly noticable. That is why I didn't report anything right after .59 came out.

Keep up the good work.

[dannyv]

Originally posted by gizzin
dannyv so you are not getting any more dropouts, because with 60b it is even worse, when i tried summer of sam.

Gizzin,

So far no dropouts with 59. Did you try 61 I have not installed it on my other machine yet. I got the starwars trilogy last night and wanted to use rebuilder on it but it doesn't support multiangle but from what jdobbs says it will shortly. For those that are intrested shrink did a pretty decent job on starwars at an average 55-57%compression with menus 63-67% movie only.

[Faust2]

@dropout-people

in this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?postid=548842) there is an interesting testing possibility for you...

[lamster]

Rebuilder 0.62 fixed the problem for me. (Thanks, jdobbs!)

(NTSC, using QuEnc, non-stop stutter on certain stand-alone players; worked fine on others and using software players.)

:) :) :)