2 audios- 1 sub (as no default sub)

[jorel]

hy all! :)
i don't saw an answer and don't know if i can do it:
first language: Portuguese
second language: English
subs: Portuguese

the default audio language is portuguese and i don't want to see the subs in portuguese, only when i select the english audio!

if i select in d2s the first sub language to "none" and the second sub language for "portuguese" will work?

sorry if is a dumb question! :o i never did it before!
thanks! ;)

[Rockas]

Yeah! it's a dumb question specially if you don't tell us what will be the resulting media of your "work" (SVCD? DVD?).
:) :) :D :cool:

Se quiseres posso desde já adiantar-te que se for SVCD muito dificilmente conseguirás o q queres :p

[jorel]

well...was inplicit :rolleyes: ..... don't seems?

but if you want that i choose to turn it very easy to understand.
all possibles options...let me try :
..svcd, dvd, and pc (powerdvd)! (i can't think in another possible option)
can you give me answers for that 3 options ? please? :) :) :D :cool:

--> now my question don't seems so dumb, right? :p :p

;) ( i don't want to post in portuguese cos i don't want to brake any rule....all is clear now ? i forgot something? )
thanks!
:p :)

[Rockas]

First of all you'll have to put the two audio tracks, right;) ?
second... you'll have to join the subs, right ;) ?
Now we come to the point... on DVD as you know, subs and audio tracks can be "loadable", the audio track and subs that are loaded by default are the ones that u defined on your player, I u didn't define any, by default the player will load the first audio track and it will not load any subs. If you want to load any other audio or subs the players have functions that cover those actions, right?
How can u do this? Well dvd2svcd does it for you automatically, as u know :p .

When it come to SVCD, well this is a more complicated issue. I've made plenty SVCDs (when the DVD writers were just for rich people lol) and I tested them on many players and I never got one that could load subtitles (maybe some Philips, never saw one :) ) so... all the movies that I made to my kids, I made them with permanent subtitles (for me ;) ) and I puted Portuguese audio as first audio and english as second... so when my children want to see the movie it will play on portuguese by default but the subtitles will be there, the day they learn how to read, they'll change the audio - here in Portugal people don't like to see the movies on other languange than the original - I prefer that way too, can you Imagine Stallone with the voice of Jean Paul Belmondo ? :confused:

Does this help or should I be more specific :)

[jorel]

oh..ok seems better let me read:
Originally posted by Rockas
Now we come to the point... on DVD as you know, subs and audio tracks can be "loadable", the audio track and subs that are loaded by default are the ones that u defined on your player,... i'm a lucky guy cos i know what i can do with dvd players(inside and outside..just the same for me)cos is my work for more than 30 years as eletronic technician.

Originally posted by Rockas
How can u do this? Well dvd2svcd does it for you automatically, as u know :p i wrote that i choosed the languages and subs and of course d2s do it for us(not only for me)automatically and here is d2s thread,then..was implicit!(read the first post again please)

Originally posted by Rockas
When it come to SVCD, well this is a more complicated issue. I've made plenty SVCDs (when the DVD writers were just for rich people lol) and I tested them on many players and I never got one that could load subtitles... like i told you about my work, i know what players i choosed.....from 3 players, 2 can select svcd subs!

Originally posted by Rockas
so... all the movies that I made to my kids, I made them with permanent subtitles (for me ;) ) and I puted Portuguese audio as first audio and english as second... so when my children want to see the movie it will play on portuguese by default but the subtitles will be there, the day they learn how to read, they'll change the audio - here in Portugal people don't like to see the movies on other languange than the original - I prefer that way too, can you Imagine Stallone with the voice of Jean Paul Belmondo ? right. here i see differents tastes. the cartoons for my kid are in portuguese only without subs but if he want to see another one that i rent(original with languages and subs) he knows what buttom push in RC
to change the audio in portuguese(cos he is listening) and the other to remove the subs(cos he see when it dissapear)and he don't know how to read but i teach what buttoms to push in RC to get what he need.
the doubt is for movies that i encode for me, my wife and my adult sons. each one have his personal taste and this is the reason of the first post!

Originally posted by Rockas
Does this help or should I be more specific :)
oh yes,you could be more specific cos you wrote how i can use, how you use, but "forgot" to post HOW i do it ---> in all the 3 options. :p

then...please, read my first post again (if you still want to help) cos all details that i want was posted there with details.
first language(default): Portuguese (without subs) i don't want to encode english subs and when the movie start i want in portuguese without subs!!!
second language(secondary): English
subs: Portuguese but i don't want that subs as default!!
and remember ...in that 3 options cos you ask me where i want to use:
Originally posted by Rockas
Yeah! it's a dumb question specially if you don't tell us what will be the resulting media of your "work" (SVCD? DVD?).
:) :) :D :cool: and my answer was: in dvd, svcd and in pc(powerdvd)...you forgot? you give me options! :p

my doubt remains the same and i'm still waiting answers!
;) thanks!

[jsoto]

@jorel,
Your three cases are, in fact, reduced to only two. PC (powerdvd) will do the same than a settop with a DVD or a SVCD. (Well, not sure if all versions of PowerDVD are able to play SVCD subs...But this is also the case of some settops)

I cannot help you in SVCDs, but in DVD, you will find the answer in IFO/VOB editors forum. Basically you need to add a precommand in the PGC of the movie. You can do it with IfoEdit or with PGCEdit
The precommand allows you to select the audio/subs to be played by default:
Hex dump of the required command:
51 00 00 AA SS 00 00 00
AA: Selects audio default track (80, 81, 82, 8a...)
SS: Selects subs default track, with the following meaning:

Originally posted by mpucoder
0x80 to 0x9F select subpicture 0 to 31, but OFF (can be turned on by user)
0xA0 to 0xBD are invalid
0xBE select NO subpicture
0xBF select subpicture 0 FORCED (ON and cannot be turned off by user)
0xC0 to 0xDF select subpicture 0 to 31, and ON (can be turned off by user)
0xE0 to 0xFF are invalid


http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45440

jsoto

[jorel]

as i posted a few moments about you in another thread:
magnific and friendly guy always close to help and teach! :cool:

than you so much jsoto, you're great! :)

[Rockas]

@Jorel

Sorry man... when you posted your question I was assuming that you'd want to work with DVD2SVCD (Topic Title dixit :D) so I gave you the answer assuming that you wanted a very basic answer (Topic Title dixit... again :D).
Now I know that the answer to your question involves Authoring, so next time, to avoid mistakes, I think that you should post on the specific topics...

... anyway... sorry again

and keep it UP

[jorel]

Originally posted by Rockas
@Jorel

Sorry man... when you posted your question I was assuming that you'd want to work with DVD2SVCD (Topic Title dixit :D) so I gave you the answer assuming that you wanted a very basic answer (Topic Title dixit... again :D).
Now I know that the answer to your question involves Authoring, so next time, to avoid mistakes, I think that you should post on the specific topics...

... anyway... sorry again

and keep it UP
:eek:
---> but IS with dvd2svcd! is implicit like i told you before! :rolleyes:
my question is not off topic or in wrong forum !

read with atention and you will "discover" how i do it! ;)

when(if) you "discover" you will author like i do using results from d2s!(i think)

now the most important question,please answer me:

do you like the way i author my encodes ? :p
:p :D

answer me "yes" or "no" --> and "why" !!! ( "why" will be the best)

:p :p

[Rockas]

Ok... ok... I'm curious... Why?

[jorel]

Originally posted by Rockas
Ok... ok... I'm curious... Why?

i'm kidding Rockas, but without any sarcasm ! ;)

you forgot to answer me: "yes" or "no" ?
do you like the way i author my encodes or no ?

it's crucial for my answer! trust me ! i don't will post anything offencive or aggressive,no matter what you choose!
:p
thanks.

[Rockas]

It's not that I like or don't like, I just think that somethings are a waste of time (I'm lazy :D ), time that I don't have :D :p, but I'll aswer you question with a "yes", maybe there's some situations that this can be usefull (not that I see one right now:cool: )...


now I want to leave you a question... how will you mess with the "PGC" of the movie from DVD2SVCD?

[jorel]

Originally posted by Rockas
It's not that I like or don't like, I just think that somethings are a waste of time (I'm lazy :D ), time that I don't have :D :p, but I'll aswer you question with a "yes", maybe there's some situations that this can be usefull (not that I see one right now:cool: )...


now I want to leave you a question... how will you mess with the "PGC" of the movie from DVD2SVCD?

:D all right Rockas, your choice is mine too. you will see all the situations that this can be usefull

now let me tell you why i was waiting your anwser:
i author my dvds and mini-dvs, using 3 tools: DVD2DVD, TMPGEncDVDAuthor and DVDShrink to get the results.
as the whole forum knows, i can't explain and write it all in english.
but in portuguese i can as you know.
then, if you want, i can write it all in doom9 portuguese forum to show you http://img89.exs.cx/img89/2651/smotri_list.gif
and you can stop to answer me like http://img89.exs.cx/img89/7065/angri.gif and don't http://img4.exs.cx/img4/4060/ban3.gif cos

surprise:
i'm a registered member there, and you don't knew that !

:p :p :p :p :p :p :D

seems better?:D

picture from dvd with 2 cartoons (toy story 1&2): just click

http://img34.exs.cx/img34/351/ts2j.jpg

cool or lame ? :D

[jorel]

i can post in Doom9 Portuguese forum like ...(quoting myself) :
Originally posted by jorel
how i do (when i do mini dvds):
45 minutes max for 1 cdr 700mb, cut parts in time using dvdshrink if needed
dvd2dvd(adjust Roba=1100 size)

dvd rip tab: use internal routines

misc tab:
check-->don't delete any files
input file type=dvd
output file type=dvd

encoder tab: CCE(best) or tmpgenc2.5x
(i never did with Quenc but will work very fine)

audio tab: don't convert audio(is my choice)or select the bitrate that you want for mp2

cd image tab: dvd author

frameserver tab: edit as part of video encode
*hint: you can choose resize to cvd(352x480/576), is dvd compliant

run!
when d2s open the script before encode use:

Undot()
Asharp(1,2)# is optional but i like too much
BilinearResize(352,480)# you will got it if cvd was choosed
Deen()

wait d2s end the job.
you have now the "DVD-Files" folder and
choose one of this options:

without menu:
open the DVD-Files folder in dvdshrink and adjust the size to 701Mb! (use deep analysis)
take the result and burn!

with menu:
open the DVD-Files folder in tmpgencdvdauthor and build menus.
open the result from tmpgencdvdauthor in dvdshrink and adjust the size to 701Mb! (use deep analysis)
take the result and burn!

using as source cartoon 4:3 NTSC with 00h 48m 54s 15frames ,audio AC3-2Ch
scene from dvd source resized 49% (changed to 353x480):
http://img80.exs.cx/img80/3329/3pvob49.jpg

same scene from mini-dvd from d2d with CCE (result 352x480):
http://img80.exs.cx/img80/5879/3pcce.jpg

not so bad for that source! ;)

[jorel]

and seamless here for round 6 movies to one dvd media(quoting myself) :
Originally posted by jorel
ok. i did 352*480, one AC3 for each movie,
no subs(one movie with yellow permanent subs)with D2S-RoBa style
and using tmpgencdvdauthor to do menus :D -->encreasing D2S-RoBa style
(using chapters from D2s results)!

was used only cartoons from dvds sources that give me fine results!
but comparing with CVDS ( 352*480, of course),
each movie from that dvd is really better..(and with menus)! ;)
:p

and for 2 or 3 movies 720*480/576 to one dvd media, extreme quality!

seems good Rockas ? :)

[Rockas]

The results are fine... but as I told you I'm lazy :D.
The price of DVD burners and dvd-r /dvd+r media prices (at least here in Portugal) don't "let" me have that kind of "hard" work :D...
bu the way... why don't you post a guide in Portuguese on the portuguese forum, (think your method would be most usefull for many people)? are you lazy too?!?!? :D

[jorel]

no i'm not lazy....well just a little! :p

i will post in portuguese forum, my pc have little problems with video card, and i will solve it faster! ;)

@ all:
i found a way to do what i needed....see again my question,
quoting my own post:
first language: Portuguese
second language: English
subs: Portuguese

the default audio language is portuguese and i don't want to see the subs in portuguese, only when i select the english audio!

as my standalone is adjusted to english subs and we have differents tastes, DVDShrink give me a solution.
first use D2S and select:
first language: Portuguese
second language: English
subs: Portuguese

after the job open the dvd-files folder in DVDShrink, right click in the title and choose
set default stream---> hide subpicture
backup without compression!

only when you call the subs in the RC it will show and the default will be "none" ! thanks to nwg in shrink forum for that hint!
;)

[jsoto]

Hi jorel,
after the job open the dvd-files folder in DVDShrink, right click in the title and choose
set default stream---> hide subpicture
backup without compression! It takes a lot of time and you need 4,3 GB free. Doesn´t it?

I recommend you to add a precommand, as I posted before. With pgcEdit its very easy. Only the IFO is mofified, so it is instantaneous (and you will learn a little more about Virtual Machine)

jsoto

[Rockas]

By the way (answer just if you want... of course) are u the "jorge" guy on doom9pt?

[jorel]

Originally posted by Rockas
By the way (answer just if you want... of course) are u the "jorge" guy on doom9pt?
who knows? :p (sorry late answer,i found this thread only now).

[jorel]

Originally posted by jsoto
Hi jorel,
It takes a lot of time and you need 4,3 GB free. Doesn´t it?

I recommend you to add a precommand, as I posted before. With pgcEdit its very easy. Only the IFO is mofified, so it is instantaneous (and you will learn a little more about Virtual Machine)

jsoto

of course my friend. your recommendations are always very cool!:cool:
seems easy...i will do like that! thanks again jsoto ! :)