Cinema Craft Encoder SP v2.67.00.27 VS. DVD-RB V.58

[McClane]

H3110,

I just carryed out my first ripp with DVD-RB V.58 vs.
CCE SP v2.67.00.27 AND IT'S IS GREAT!! Jdobbs u the man! ;)

fast, stable, and it's beautiful ;)

take a look at this mummy =)

PS: Have some questions, how can this be that the bitrate is so high?
I been rippning load's of my own dvd's with the same size as this one 5GB. And haven't receive a biterate this high.

Rebulider.ini

[Paths]
MPEG2DEC=C:\Program\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll
CCENEW=C:\Program\Cinema Craft Encoder SP v2.67.00.27\cctsp.exe
Source=Q:\VIDEO_TS\
Working=D:\DVD PROJEKTS\VIDEO_TS\VIDEO_TS 1\
[Options]
LoadPlugin=1
AudioDub=0
idct7Opt=1
CCE=1
NoWarn=1
LogFile=1
Completed=1
[Setup]
Language11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111110111111111111111111111111111
sLanguage11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111110111111111111111111111111111
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=30
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=2

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[13:05:55] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- VTS_01: 2 626 255 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 141 710 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 84,1%
- Overall Bitrate : 5 973Kbs
- Space for Video : 4 133 100KB
- HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates: 6 616/5 136/5 973 Kbs
[13:12:14] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 7 minutes.
[13:12:50] Phase II ENCODING started
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 2
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 3
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 4
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 5
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 6
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 7
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 8
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 9
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 10
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 11
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 12
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 13
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 14
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 15
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 16
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 17
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 18
[14:37:01] Phase II ENCODING completed in 85 minutes.
[14:37:10] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
- Processing VTS_01
- Rebuilding segment 0 VOBID:1 CELLID:1
- Rebuilding segment 1 VOBID:1 CELLID:2
- Rebuilding segment 2 VOBID:1 CELLID:3
- Rebuilding segment 3 VOBID:1 CELLID:4
- Rebuilding segment 4 VOBID:1 CELLID:5
- Rebuilding segment 5 VOBID:1 CELLID:6
- Rebuilding segment 6 VOBID:1 CELLID:7
- Rebuilding segment 7 VOBID:1 CELLID:8
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Rebuilding segment 8 VOBID:2 CELLID:1
- Rebuilding segment 9 VOBID:2 CELLID:2
- Rebuilding segment 10 VOBID:2 CELLID:3
- Rebuilding segment 11 VOBID:2 CELLID:4
- Rebuilding segment 12 VOBID:2 CELLID:5
- Rebuilding segment 13 VOBID:2 CELLID:6
- Rebuilding segment 14 VOBID:2 CELLID:7
- Rebuilding segment 15 VOBID:2 CELLID:8
- Rebuilding segment 16 VOBID:2 CELLID:9
- Rebuilding segment 17 VOBID:2 CELLID:10
- Rebuilding segment 18 VOBID:2 CELLID:11
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_02
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_01_0.IFO
Correcting VTS Sectors...
[14:53:26] Phase III, REBUILD completed in 16 minutes.

Done.

[jdobbs]

PS: Have some questions, how can this be that the bitrate is so high?
I been rippning load's of my own dvd's with the same size as this one 5GB. And haven't receive a biterate this high. It's probably not a very long movie. The fact that the reduction level is at 84% agrees with that...

108 minutes for an encode at CCE quality... not bad, eh?

[TheSeeker]

@McClane

Those times are pretty damn good. What kinda computer do you have? And what speeds do you see in CCE SP?

EDIT: I suppose those are about right considering I usually dont use Rebuilder unless the movie is huge, long and I need to use filters. All of which slow down the encode process... NOt to mention I do 4 passes.

[kooky]

Originally posted by TheSeeker
@McClane

Those times are pretty damn good. What kinda computer do you have? And what speeds do you see in CCE SP? He used 2-pass which explain the low time :)

in 4-pass (5-pass with DVDRB) i do about 4h30 - 5hours with CCE SP with a 6 Gb Movie
The quality is really better than any other MPEG encoder and so easy in one click :D
but you need CCE for the best result

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by kooky
He used 2-pass which explain the low time :)

in 4-pass (5-pass with DVDRB) i do about 4h30 - 5hours with CCE SP with a 6 Gb Movie
The quality is really better than any other MPEG encoder and so easy in one click :D
but you need CCE for the best result Of course one might ask "Why would anyone ever do 5 passes when it would show only marginally better results than 2?" -- but to each his own, that's why the choice is there.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by McClane
I have a P4 2,6@3,12Ghz wirh 1024MB RAM ..
about the bitrate thing..I thing that older no good crack cce's have a limit when it comes to the bitrate. Becouse as I said before I tryed many movies like that one and did not get that kind of bitrate =)

.... The bitrate is set by DVD-RB, not CCE.

[McClane]

Originally posted by jdobbs
The bitrate is set by DVD-RB, not CCE.
aaah so you had a limit? ;)

[jdobbs]

Yes, but it is 9,000Kbs or 7,500Kbs (depending upon whether it is doing framerate conversion of 29.97fps content). It's based upon hte maximum bitrate that is acceptable for DVD. So your values are well under it.

[McClane]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Yes, but it is 9,000Kbs or 7,500Kbs (depending upon whether it is doing framerate conversion of 29.97fps content). It's based upon hte maximum bitrate that is acceptable for DVD. So your values are well under it.

Okay I know what you saying..It's just that somehow I am geting better bitrate on my movies now with dvd-rb v.58. Have u done anything ?? hum sorry will check the update notes for v.58.

someting has happend that's for shure..am glad but still little angry becouse all my movies cud be this good =). but keep up the good work..

PS: now when am doing another movie and put cce on 4 passed the speed goe's up to 2.72 and normal for me is 2.30-2.40 with 2 passes hum??

Have so many questions ...

later..

[jdobbs]

If you were using CCE (in VBR mode) on previous versions you have gotten the same bitrate.

[erdoke]

Originally posted by McClane

PS: now when am doing another movie and put cce on 4 passed the speed goe's up to 2.72 and normal for me is 2.30-2.40 with 2 passes hum??

It's not clear which version of CCE SP you used before, but there is some a speed difference between 2.50 and 2.67.x to the advantage of versions 2.67.

[Sir Didymus]

Originally posted by McClane
PS: now when am doing another movie and put cce on 4 passed the speed goe's up to 2.72 and normal for me is 2.30-2.40 with 2 passes hum??

...

The "normal" speed is exactely what you have already obtained with your previous excellent title, applying 2 passes...

I am normally using the same on the most part of my rebuild sessions, and the results are equally good; just on few titles i am using three, but as already stated, every one has a subjective approach to the word "quality".

In normal conditions, each pass increase produces just very little improvements in the movie quality, in spite of a relevant increase of the encoding time...

IMHO, of course...

Cheers,
SD

[McClane]

Originally posted by erdoke
It's not clear which version of CCE SP you used before, but there is some a speed difference between 2.50 and 2.67.x to the advantage of versions 2.67.

I used Cinema Craft Encoder SP v2.67.00.23 tryout, but that's not what am talking about.

oOh it's hard I think to explan when my english grama is so poor.

But the question was about CCE SP v2.67.00.27. Yesterday I did some backups and the first movie was my "Spawn" I did 2 passes on that one and it whent on for 108min at a speed of 2.30 - 2.40 (CCE SP SPEED)

Now I did BRAVEHEART it's much longer and about 7GB so I whent with 4 passed on this one. And it whent on for 289min at a speed of 2.70 CCE SP SPEED)

So here is the question.. how can I hit fast encoding speed when I did 4 passes? or is it just deppening on what kind o dvd am backuping?

[Fishman0919]

If I remember "Spawn" is a 1:85 to 1 aspect ratio (Tall Widescreen) movie and BRAVEHEART is a 2:35 to 1 aspect ratio (Short Widescreen) movie, with BRAVEHEART having a smaller screen size (less area to encode) it well encode faster.

[McClane]

Originally posted by Fishman0919
If I remember "Spawn" is a 1:85 to 1 aspect ratio (Tall Widescreen) movie and BRAVEHEART is a 2:35 to 1 aspect ratio (Short Widescreen) movie, with BRAVEHEART having a smaller screen size (less area to encode) it well encode faster.

Thanks man ...it might be like that.. ;)

[p200002]

I just did a test of DVDRB .58 with CCE SP 2.67.00.xx. It worked. Thx, jdobbs.