DVD-RB + CCE Basic = 777MB file

[glassvial]

Ok, obviously I'm doing something wrong, but I know not what. I read the stickies and the readme that came with DVD-RB and I believe my settings, file locations, etc. are all correct. I'm running DVD-RB .57 and CCE Basic. CCE does a 165 minute run, at the end of which I'm left with a 777 meg file. Obviously this is nowhere near the 4-something gig the file should be. This is a movie-only backup, no extras or menus. Someone point me in the right direction please :)

[pschweig]

did rebuilder make a dvd structure (e.g. audio_ts and video_ts folders). If so can you play the resulting dvd files in a software player e.g. power dvd by cyberlink

try it and see if the files created by rebuilder contain only audio. If so, this problem could be caused by the original dvd containing no chapter points.

Your post suggests that you are backing up a commercial dvd which do mostly have chapters but just a thought.

[glassvial]

It's one frozen frame of messed up video and all audio. It's a commercial DVD, ripped with DVD decrypter, and yes it has chapters :)

[pschweig]

try using dvd shrink to rip the movie to your hard disk (select reauthor and no compression). I don't think that dvd decrypter rips all the neccesary files to make a proper dvd structure.

You can test this by playing the files ripped in a software dvd player.

[glassvial]

What would make you think that DVD Shrink's ripper is better than DVD Decrypter's? I honestly don't think that's going to make any difference.

[pschweig]

I'm not saying dvd shrink is better just that it doesn't rip the full dvd structure. Did you try playing the files ripped by decrypter in a software dvd player?


a quick search of the forum revealed this thread

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81758&highlight=dvd+AND+decrypter


Try dvd shrink see if it helps. Its free.

[glassvial]

Thanks, but please stop talking down to me like a newbie, because I'm not. I'm well aware that DVD Shrink is free and what it does and does not do. What I ripped to the hard drive plays perfectly fine in WinDVD.

[erdoke]

Originally posted by pschweig
try using dvd shrink to rip the movie to your hard disk (select reauthor and no compression). I don't think that dvd decrypter rips all the neccesary files to make a proper dvd structure.


DVDDecrypter is by far the best ripper available when used in File or ISO mode. When you make an ISO image of a DVD what files can be left out? :confused:

I also think that this undersizing error comes from bad configuration of RB or its components.

[wmansir]

Is the one frozen frame black with a red/orange stripe? If so check Q4 of the FAQ stickie.

[glassvial]

Originally posted by wmansir
Is the one frozen frame black with a red/orange stripe? If so check Q4 of the FAQ stickie.
It's a black screen with some orange crap on it yes, but it wasn't a stripe, no. RB is already setup as instructed in those steps.

[wmansir]

Go into your D2VAVS directory (in your working folder) and open one of the .avs files in a media player. Instead of video you will probably see an error message which will tell you what the problem is.

If it says something like "Unknown command: Mpeg2Source", then double check that you have setup the location of mpeg2dec3.dll as discribed in Q4 of the FAQ. Also, make sure you are using version of Mpeg2dec3 linked to in the Install+Setup stickie.

If that isn't the problem you can post the error message here, and post the AviSynth script too (you can open the .avs file in Notepad, it's just a text file).

[pschweig]

I am not trying to get into a discussion of which ripper is the best. I like DVD dercypter and use it myself.

When you make an ISO image of a DVD what files can be left out?

We are talking about movie only backup. When I tried to rip only the movie using decrypter the resulting dvd files did not play in powerdvd or work with dvd-rb. I probably wasn't using it correctly.

I read the thread that I posted a link to, used dvd shrink and found that worked as I wanted. That method worked for me so i thought it might help others.

[erdoke]

Originally posted by pschweig
We are talking about movie only backup. When I tried to rip only the movie using decrypter the resulting dvd files did not play in powerdvd or work with dvd-rb. I probably wasn't using it correctly.


Yes, we are talking about a movie-only backup, but nobody said that DVDDecrypter was used to get the main movie files out of the DVD.
Using Decrypter in IFO mode is still not a fully reliable method.

[glassvial]

Originally posted by wmansir
Go into your D2VAVS directory (in your working folder) and open one of the .avs files in a media player. Instead of video you will probably see an error message which will tell you what the problem is.

If it says something like "Unknown command: Mpeg2Source", then double check that you have setup the location of mpeg2dec3.dll as discribed in Q4 of the FAQ. Also, make sure you are using version of Mpeg2dec3 linked to in the Install+Setup stickie.

If that isn't the problem you can post the error message here, and post the AviSynth script too (you can open the .avs file in Notepad, it's just a text file).
Ok I did another run last night. This time I end up with 2.84GB in files in the VIDEO_TS folder. Progress, right? Wrong. The video is all garbled and pink, and obviously the file size is still way off. I have verified I'm using the proper mpeg2dec3 and it's setup properly as per the sticky instructions.

[robot1]

Please, consider the wmansir post.

Go into your D2VAVS directory (in your working folder) and open one of the .avs files in a media player. Instead of video you will probably see an error message which will tell you what the problem is. You waste your time encoding and rebuilding, if you don't check that before.

[glassvial]

Originally posted by robot1
Please, consider the wmansir post.

You waste your time encoding and rebuilding, if you don't check that before.
The avs files play fine (on the go-round from last night, the messed up 777 meg file set is now deleted) so why is the resulting video all garbled and pink?

[Sir Didymus]

If each one of the AVS files in the D2VAVS folder play fine, what do you see when playing the corresponding m2v file (result of the encoding)?

If the AVS play PERFECTLY and the m2v play WRONG, you may eventually conclude that is the encoding step, in your system (i.e. ECLCCE and/or CEE, and/or the proper encoding configuration of DVD-RB), the place where the errors are produced...

All the best,
SD

[jdobbs]

I skipped through this quickly so I may have missed something. Was the encoder CCE Basic Trial? Since it only does a small piece of each segment from the original it might explain whey it was small.

[glassvial]

Originally posted by Sir Didymus
If the AVS play PERFECTLY and the m2v play WRONG, you may eventually conclude that is the encoding step, in your system (i.e. ECLCCE and/or CEE, and/or the proper encoding configuration of DVD-RB), the place where the errors are produced...
Finally, a useful suggestion. YES, the AVS file is fine, NO the m2v file is NOT fine (pink, blocky, etc). So I guess CCE is broken somehow, or I have an RB-CCE setting wrong. What are some of the common mistakes in the RB/CCE setup that would cause such a problem? I just installed CCE so it's not like it was installed some time ago, but I will try un/re-installing CCE if anyone thinks it would make any difference.

[glassvial]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I skipped through this quickly so I may have missed something. Was the encoder CCE Basic Trial? Since it only does a small piece of each segment from the original it might explain whey it was small.
CCE Basic. As I said later in this post another attempt came in at 2.84GB, while still not correct it is better than just 777MB :)

[robot1]

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I was late...

[Sir Didymus]

@glassvial
Ok. But it is the trial or the release version ?

Originally posted by jdobbs
I skipped through this quickly so I may have missed something. Was the encoder CCE Basic Trial? Since it only does a small piece of each segment from the original it might explain whey it was small.

One of the things that are not obvious to say is that CCE is an excellent encoder, but it is not free...

Cheers,
SD

[glassvial]

CCE Basic, not trial. Should I un/re-install CCE, double check some settings somewhere, use another encoder (and if so, what one) ?

[glassvial]

Just tried a different encoder, no pink garbled problems now. So if I switch from CCE Basic, what's the better choice, ReJig or QuEnc or something else?

[jdobbs]

ReJig is fast. QuEnc is better quality.

[glassvial]

Did a run with QuEnc (.54)on some other material I'm working on. Seems to have come out fine. Running that same material again with CCE then I'll run again with shrink to see how the 3 compare, and also assure the file sizes are all correct (and etc). I assume people would say CCE is still better quality than QuEnc or is beauty in the eye of the beholder? :)

PS: I'm running RB .58 now as well.