NTSC to PAL Help Needed

[avalon_x]

Hi, To anyone who has any idea on the following problem.

I have a DVD that is NTSC Region Free. When it's played back on my DVD/TV, It has an ever so slight 'judder' in the picture. I think I've found the reason for it, Something to do with an NTSC DVD using a 3:2 Pulldown. I'm still not sure exactly what it is. Although my DVD player is multi-region. I don't think my TV is happy with the NTSC input. I'm not sure which (if either) is at fault here

Question is how do a re-author the DVD to eliminate this problem. I don't mind what target format it uses. So long as it's a smooth picture.

Technical Information as follows.

DVD (according to DVDtoAVI)

DVD is NTSC (All Region). 16:9, 23.971 frames per sec. Content is FILM, Apart from this slight 'judder' the film plays perfectly.

I've been on web, looked at alot of information and frankly am confused by what to do next. I don't know if it needs to be converted to PAL, be INVERSE TELECINED or what or what the best program to use is. Anyone who can shed any light will be a lifesaver!

[killingspree]

hi,
well the problem can be either with your standalone or with your TV, but most likely with your TV - especially if you have a little older model!

anyway, NTSC to PAL still is a little tricky business, there's no one click (or even close to one click) program for doing NTSC to PAL DVD to DVDR conversion!

but as you said you do not mind which format the final result is, here's a suggestion (assuming that you want to keep standalone compatibility):

DVD2SVCD has got a function to convert NTSC to PAL - so if you do not mind that your final result is a SVCD just follow
this guide (http://www.doom9.org/mpg/dvd2svcd.htm) and make sure you tick the box where it says "NTSC to PAL" in the "Conversion" tab. (shown in the first picture of the guide under Step 1)

hth
steVe

[avalon_x]

Thanks, I have already tried that, since you can do DVDtoDVD as well. Unfortunatly, that option is greyed out when I load the disc into DVDtoSVCD. Which implies that it thinks it's a PAL disc. But DVDtoAVI and TMPGenc both say it is NTSC. :confused:

[killingspree]

could you please post the header of your d2v file...

just open it in a texteditor and copy the first 20 lines (or so)...

steVe

[avalon_x]

ok:


DVD2AVIProjectFile
5
24 K:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
24 K:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.VOB
24 K:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_3.VOB
24 K:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_4.VOB
24 K:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_5.VOB

Stream_Type=1,0,0
iDCT_Algorithm=5 (1:MMX 2:SSEMMX 3:FPU 4:REF 5:SSE2MMX)
YUVRGB_Scale=1 (0:TVScale 1:PCScale)
Luminance_Filter=0,0 (Gamma, Offset)
Picture_Size=0,0,0,0,0,0 (ClipLeft, ClipRight, ClipTop, ClipBottom)
Field_Operation=1 (0:None 1:ForcedFILM 2:SwapOrder)
Frame_Rate=23976
Location=0,0,4,1717B

7 0 0 2
7 0 3F 2
7 0 82 2
7 0 C3 2
7 0 109 2
7 0 14D 2
7 0 192 2
7 0 1D6 2
7 0 215 2

[killingspree]

well there's some oddities in this d2v file... what version of dvd2svcd/dvd2avi are you using!

it seems to me that you badly need an update there!!

steVe

[Matthew]

This isn't actually all that hard to do provided you are satisfied with a movie-only backup.

You can just write an avs with resize command 720,576 and load it in CCE, set the fps to 25 (rather than 23.976) and encode as per usual.

Because the length of the movie has changed, the audio needs to be re-encoded (sped up). You can use besweet to convert 5.1 AC3 to 5 sped-up wavs and softencode (say) to convert to AC3.

e.g. at the command-line:
SET NAME=whatever
SET DIR=C:\test
SET SOFTDIR=C:\sonic
BeSweet.exe -core( -input %DIR%\%NAME%.ac3 -output %DIR%\%NAME% -6ch -logfilea %DIR%\BeSweet.log ) -ota( -r 23976 25000)
cd /D %DIR%
ren %NAME%FL.wav seinputFL.wav
ren %NAME%FR.wav seinputFR.wav
ren %NAME%C.wav seinputC.wav
ren %NAME%SL.wav seinputSL.wav
ren %NAME%SR.wav seinputSR.wav
ren %NAME%LFE.wav seinputLFE.wav
cd /D %SOFTDIR%
Sftencdd.exe -A -P %DIR%\softencode2.ini -o %DIR%\seoutput.ac3 -L %DIR%\seinputFL.wav -R %DIR%\seinputFR.wav -C %DIR%\seinputC.wav -l %DIR%\seinputSL.wav -r %DIR%\seinputSR.wav -e %DIR%\seinputLFE.wav

softencode2.ini would be a txt file with something like:

[Parameters]
DataRate=448
CodeMode=7
BSMode=0
DlgNorm=26
SampleRate=0
UseLFE=On
Cmix=0
SurMix=2
DolbySurround=0
CopyRight=On
Original=On
RoomType=2
MixLevel=26
Deemphasis=Off
DCFilter=On
BandWidthFilter=On
LFEFilter=On
Phase90=On
Cut3dB=On
CompressiOnType=1
RFCmpInUse=On
NonIntel=Off
TimeStamp=On


Then just author using any app you like.

Might not sound all that easy I suppose, but once you've done it once it should be as easy as pie. Problem is you probably only want/need to do it once :p

[avalon_x]

:confused:

Killingspree: Version of DVD2SVCD is 1.2.2 build 2. That D2V file was made by ver 1.77.3 of DVD2AVI. All latest off thier sites as far as I know.

Matthew: Unfortunatly, with what I know about AVS I haven't a clue where to start with that! Thanks though!

[killingspree]

ok, i guess we've found the problem! dvd2avi 1.773 and 1.76 create incompatible d2v files! pls always use the dvd2avi version that comes with the bundel (dvd2svcd)!

hth
steVe

[CzechRipper]

Hi guys,

I just wanted to use this already existing thread to ask about the tricky NTSC->PAL question. I know there wasn't and probably still isn't any fast easy way, and yet I'm asking how things went further and what is the best way ? I mean I foud many info with search but there are so many I'm being lost. So what is the best way to turn a NTSC DVD to a PAL DVD (I insist on the DVD format).

Than you a I hope this might get useful for others.

PS:The use I want to make out of that is to backup my r1 NTSC DVDs into r0 PAL DVDs so that they play fine on my PS2.

[killingspree]

DVD2DVD (a subset of DVD2SVCD)...

[avalon_x]

I've done as was suggested. I've converted the DVD to a d2v project file but cannot seem to get DVD2SVCD to recognise it. i.e give won't give me the NTSC to PAL conversion checkbox. CAn someone give me the process to follow?

[CzechRipper]

I try to follow the DVD2DVD guide woth adding the ckecking of the NTSC2PAL box but is comes out it's grayed.

Can anyone halp ?

edit:it got un-greyed when I un-checked the "Do not convert audio(use source audio)"

[killingspree]

ok, i think it's time for this thread to move to the DVD2SVCD forum,

cheers
steVe