DoItFast4U setup question

[TheSeeker]

Newbie to the big 3. Have been using Rebuilder and some one clicks and thought I would try my hand at these tools. Now I ran into a little snag on setting everything up. I got all tools needed:

BatchCCEWS 0.9.1.5
DoItFast4U 1.4.0.0
IFOUpdate 0.78
NUMenu4U 1.4.0.7
Scenaid RC3 9.0.27
sonic scenarist 2.6

Now when the problem come while setting up DoItFast4U. I go to Global settings, Post Processing, Launch External App and the choice for DOCCE4U+Scenaid is not there. I got all the tools that I was told to get in the Guide.... I noticed that DOitFast4U website seems to be down so Maybe Im need a newer version??? not sure but I am using the newer version guide so I assume the were making it for the newer software. Anyone help me out here?

EDIT: Also noticed some other menu choices were missing from this version I have compared to the one in the new guide.

Global Autodetect NTSC Video Type was missing
Uncheck Autodected Duplicate PGC's in Postprocessing menu was missing.

So it seems like I have an older version than what the guide was written for but how can I get the newest version if his website seems to be down?

[D3s7]

The guide was actually written using the latest beta version of DoItFast4u which is available to VIP memebers.

Your right though, unfortunatly Eyes has been having some issues w/ his hoster and the site is currently down.

In reality, all the options you need are in the version you have, you just will need to manually kick off ScenAid (might I also suggest you upgrade to 1.0pre6)

[TheSeeker]

How should I change my setup for Doitfast4u accordingly then (taking into account i have to launch scenaid manually? Also then is there anything different i have to do? actually i get a runtime error 429 active x component cant create object. that is the error i get when trying to install the newest version of scenaid.

EDIT: And how might i get my hands on that newest version of DoItFast4U. If im going to try this out I want to do it right. And what would the Global Settings, Post Processing, External app, setting be set to since there is no docce4u+scenaid option

[D3s7]

not sure but I'd say a good place to start is to contact Eyes`Only.

If your getting an activex error w/ ScenAid then 1 of 2 things is happening
1) you didn't insall the vb6 sp6 runtimes as is needed or
2) your attempting to run JUST the pre6 .exe instead of installing the full prerelease install first then updating the exe

[TheSeeker]

@Eyes Only

Can you help out in this situation? How would I set this up without the newest version of doitfast4u?

Also what setting should I use in this newer version of scenaid which seems to be a bit different from that in the guide

[Séamus]

You also might want to use BatchupdateIFO instead of IFOUpdate

And Numenu4U is an optional tool, only required if you have big menu files.

[TheSeeker]

What settings should i be using in scenaid? the guide doesnt say at all..

[jel]

TheSeeker,
nice to see you expanding your knowledge/skills etc and trying out some alternative programs to the one-click market.
i know that at first it may seem confusing as all hell but after a few successful back-ups you will be a guaranteed 'big 3' addict :D

as D3s7 has already said, the latest version of DIF4U (1.4.7) is only avaliable to VIP members, however using version 1.4.0 will still give you the same results - although it requires a bit more manual intervention and may take a bit longer.

so...
the method i would use is :

start DIF4U to demux your assets (you also have the option of using numenu4u to re-encode your menus)

when finished, manually open Scenaid and set these options:
'generate script after scan (one click run)'
'scenarist options - import script into scenarist'
'subhandling - use original palette'
'audio handling' - select both options
'batchcce options' - now if you were in ntsc land, i would suggest using the 'start encode on import' however if your in PAL land you may need to adjust some of your batchcce settings, so i would select 'Open BatchCCE'

once cce has finished encoding and the script has been imported, you should check if there were any import errors, and if not (and everything looks okay), compile your scenario, and follow the ifoupdate step - and i highly recommend you try batchifoupdate instead of ifoupdate, as Seamus already mentioned.

hth
j

[TheSeeker]

Yea I kinda did something out of order maybe. I ran dif4u and got all that stuff, then that opened bccews so i ran that and encoded everything then i open up scenaid and scanned and created the scenarist project. then sucessfully imported that proeject and successfully outputted to the correct dvd video structure. Now the problem i get is that i ran ifo update on only vts 010 set as that is the only one that is in the scenarist created files. but when i test in ifoedit the first play stuff runs but instead of going to the menu when it should it goes right to playing the movie.. not sure what happened there.

EDIT: So what your saying is I should run doitfast4u (and numenu4u if needed) then when that is done run scenaid with the settings you gave, then that should auto open bccews and start encoding then open import into scenarist then compile then update with ifoupdate?

[Séamus]

however if your in PAL land you may need to adjust some of your batchcce settings, so i would select 'Open BatchCCE'
I know it's good to verify the settings, but can you tell me which settings you double check in BatchCCE and how for that matter ?

[jel]

@ theseeker
no, your method is equally valid. it sounds to me as if you have messed up the ifoupdate step. i would recommend you have a read of An easier way to do the IFOUpdate step - By Eyes`Only (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63841)
and try again with your original .ifos.

@ seamus
well, here's the thing. i am in PAL land, so as far as NTSC is concerned (i can count the number of NTSC discs i have encountered on one hand) i trust the default settings of DIF4U and they have not steered me wrong yet.
i tried reading this : Essential reading: Force Film, IVTC, and Deinterlacing and more (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34696) a long time ago but it did my head in :rolleyes:
as for PAL you really only have two options. interlaced and progressive.

predominantly all PAL video is flagged as interlaced, although the majority of movies i have found to be progressive, with extras being interlaced. (there are a few ways to check this, as discussed in various threads and guides, although i generally use DVD2AVI to check the video for combimg)

now, if your video is progressive is should be encoded as progressive (although i have read some where that encoding using alternate scan will not *excessively* affect your video)

with interlaced material you have two choices:
de-interlace, or encode as interlaced.
personally i never de-interlace, but the choice is yours.
if you choose NOT to de-interlace you must encode your interlaced video using 'alternate scan'.

with the fixes made to BatchCCE, all PAL video is, by default, set to alternate scan, so the only thing i check/change is any progressive sreams is set to 'progressive.
phewww ... well i hope that answered some queries rather than creating more :sly:

but please remember that this is MY approach, and i am nothing more than a fellow user of these fantastic programs, so please dont blindly follow my approach without a little extra research
cheers
j

[Séamus]

OK thanks, the basics of what is deinterlacing and all that is nothing new. But that link is a good read.
However it does get confusing at times with settings. For instance one of the stickies about BatchCCEWS where is reported how the TFF setting has changed in the latest BAtchCCE etc. I'm assuming these things are set right anyway.

So the tool responsible in DIF4U isn't as accurate as it should, it seems. I thought I read somewhere that Eyes was working on something better to check if a picture is interlaced or not.

Another quick question... It seems that DVD2AVI has a bigger brother now called DGIndex, that's what I get from the DVD2AVI section.
So why does DIF4u for instance still use an older version, when it supposedly has bugs.

[jel]

I'm assuming these things are set right anyway. yup, your assumption is correct, in regards to TFF settings.

and yes, Eyes is working on a lot of new features for DIF4U, however, as is so often the case, work often interferes with play :(

when neuron2, rewrote DVD2AVI to DGIndex, he changed the filename output upon which DIF4U, and subsequently the other apps in the chain, used. therefore it would be a massive task to rewrite the programs to accept the new naming schemes. and to be honest, from what i understand, there would be no immediate benifit to the users for the change, as the biggest issue of dropped frames has already been fixed in the current DVD2AVI that DIF4U et al uses.