DivX Pro 5.2, DivX 5.2, Dr DivX 1.0.5, and DivX Player 2.5.4 released!

[nicco]

Switched back to Divx 5.11 or better to XVID

or RV10!
(http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79932)

I fully agree

[AmigaFuture]

Originally posted by Spotpuff
Problem fixed; just needed to update FFDSHOW to 20040718 version.

Apparently DX 5.2 has very high 'Merit" and takes over, so FFDSHOW updated to fix that.
Thanks for the info, that helped me as well. :) I love FFDShow!

[stephanV]

I find it always very surprising that almost every topic about DivX results in trolling towards DivXNetworks and the unavoidable "BTW - I'm a XviD worshipper"-comments.

All of this seems to be based on a notion that opensource is "good" and making money is "evil" and on malperformed, private tests; some post only a 1 image comparison, some use quality metrics which are not ready for such tests yet. In the end most people are just confirming their personal preference but try to extra-polate that to a rocksolid fact.

It even more surprises me that people start complaining that the DivX-decoder is starting to decode DivX content. No, that's really shocking! Whatelse would you expect if you install the thing???

Maybe it would be nice if people start giving constructive critisism instead of trying to diss DivX on every chance they get. Judge DivX first of all on its own merit instead of making all kinds of lame comparisons, which is in reality a way of saying you prefer another codec.

My 2 cents and thank you DivX for this new release!

[SeeMoreDigital]

Well at the end of the day it all comes down to the quality of the finished encode and the speed it can generate it!

And as I've already reported another threads, I'm not very happy with either.....

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=526151#post526151)
... Although the explanation (in the new DivX guide) of how 'adaptive 1B-VOP and mB-VOP should help with the encoding process, I really don't see any visual improvement at all :confused:

When you weigh up encoding speed together with the finished encode I'm with some of you guys when you say DivX5.0.5 is a better product - and maybe even DivX5.0.2!

Personally speaking, I'm sad to say I think there's very little point conducting further tests using DivX5.2.0... My personal opinion (if it counts for anything) is, it's not very good and is certainly not worth the hype!


Cheers

[Lord_KiRon]

"Solved" the slow codec opening (Alt-P) problem by fully uninstalling the DrDivX and installing again .
Now works as fast as 5.1.1 or any other codec .

[Taurus]

@ stephanV and to who it may concern

There was no critisism in the words I used about moneymaking on Divx.
Just some observations on a new? codec.

I started Divx encoding almost 10 years ago. Win 95, do you remember?
Times have changed, but the hazzles remain.
Nowadays you dont have to be a computer expert, but an security manager, with all this stuff thats surrounding what should be a normal
en/decoder.
About the ffdshow issue:
Sure there has to be a equivalent decoder in the Divx package.
But if the DivxNetwork refuses that another decoder to decode files made by there encoder, there's something wrong.
Sure it's a simple registry hack, but what for?
The guys over at fddshow reacted fast. So there is no problem anymore.
But what about all the guys and girls which are not updating twice a week? They run into the trouble that I mentioned in my former post.
It is solved as you can see from posts of other fellows in this thread.
But wouldn't it be nicer if the Devs over at Divx would take this into account?

I love Divx and what they have done to spread the word.
But a little less ignorance and arrogance will be welcomed.
(Now they even promote their baby with the message: No more annoying
Adware.)!
They are right, no more Adware from different companies, but what is the Nag Screen on encoder tab for? To me its just another bulls...
Discussing on technical data later on.

Taurus

[niamh]

I was chuffed when it came out, ran 3 or 4 tests myself, never mind the screenshots of others, nope, sorry. :) The quality isn't anywhere near good enough for the hassle.
I don't think anybody has been able to point out an improvement on 5.1.1.
What I meant is I wish good luck to 5.2, but don't count on me to use it as it is now, nor recommend it.

The very fact that most people here (me included) can't even get over the scrolling banners and the general bully attitude of the codec, and are so overwhelmingly negative does prove a point:Something is very wrong, and for a commercial product, it doesn't look good on the long run.

If, at least, it was a beta! We might be more understanding.But this is a final, and eventually we'd be asked to pay for it.It just doesn't cut it, that doesn't change the fact that we're all grateful to Divx for what it is and what it has done and still doing, but it will not change the fact either that I refuse to reinstall it, in its present state :) (and I'm not the only one)

[stephanV]

Originally posted by Taurus
@ stephanV and to who it may concern

I started Divx encoding almost 10 years ago. Win 95, do you remember?
Times have changed, but the hazzles remain.

Oh, I remember Win95... but DivX was i believe founded somewhere around 2000 so 10 years huh? In 1994 MPEG2 specs were just completed or something, but thats just nagging of course. Whatever you were encoding with, it wasn't DivX.

Discussing on technical data later on.
OK...

[Sharktooth]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DivX

Taurus, you're a time traveller or you're telling us a lot of lies...
Choose one.


P.S.: Look at my signature... Intel Indeo codec...

[jggimi]

Remember Rule 4, people. Flame wars will not be tolerated. Not under any circumstances.

I will close the thread if I have to.

[Taurus]

I'm so sorry

Mixed up my experiences with old MS MPEG-4 and Divx.
And it seemed to me as if it was out for 10 years.
Now its only 6 years (Thanks Sharktooth for the wikipedia link)
(Is this realy true that MPEG-4 was released 1998? I must have been in a time tunnel).
I didn't wanted to upset anybody.
My only concern was about the new install routine of Divx 5.2.

So please excuse me if I got it wrong, or someone got me wrong.
Still into MPEG-4 encoding......
No need jggimi to close this thread.
I will shut my mouth and will look what the Pro's :D are observing.

Cheers

Taurus

[Sharktooth]

Im sorry for being harsh, i didnt meant to be so.

[trekminal]

Originally posted by Taurus
I started Divx encoding almost 10 years ago. Win 95, do you remember?

:eek:
Divx codec born on late 1998, and Win95 on 1995. Check your windows time. ;)

[DigitAl56K]

Hey guys,

I've built a fairly comprehensive list of issues, and we're looking at them all :)

[Sharktooth]

Where's that list?

[DigitAl56K]

Sitting on my desk right now :)

[obieobieobie]

I sure hope that Zoomplayer issue is on the list. :)

[Sharktooth]

Originally posted by DigitAl56K
Sitting on my desk right now :)
Can you post that list please?
so we can review it and tell you if there are other issues to add...

[AmigaFuture]

Yeah, I'd like to know what problems have been found to fix also. Especially since it was made public that there is a list of problems & corrections to be made.

[DigitAl56K]

There is always a list :)

[AmigaFuture]

Heheh..you're funny! :) :devil:

[V-tec]

to the list add a check to DivX 5.2 decoder.
I have found that there are some problems to decode DivX 5.02 video's.
A strange black blocks appears during panning motions of dark objects or in dark areas.
With 5.11 decoder all works right.

cheers

v-t

[DigitAl56K]

Thanks V-tec, I have this one already :)

[bond]

i did a quick test with divx5 and here are my findings:

- where can i change the language used?
- does divx5 use 2 warppoint gmc now? at least its indicated in the vol that way!
- the followed mpeg-4 profile/level is still not marked in the vol
- in my test divx5 used max. 2 consecutive b-frames. is this the hardcoded upper limit?
- mpeg2 quant mode is definitely the default mpeg matrix and not some funky custom one (did anyone expect something different?)
- is the slowest mode supposed to work? here, on a pentium3 866mhz, it didnt: i only got 0fps in vdm and some strange unreadable .avi file got created (2pass mode)
- psychovisual enhancement is in contrary to nerodigital and xvid NOT adaptive quantisation (or at least it kicks in that rarely that i didnt see it being used). instead i think its simply some sort of smoothing preprocessing filter

[niamh]

is the slowest mode supposed to work?
It works here on a P4 1.9 mhz (I always use it for last pass, but I have to say I only ran one or 2 short encodes with 5.2. But no problems)

[Jawor]

Originally posted by bond

- is the slowest mode supposed to work? here, on a pentium3 866mhz, it didnt: i only got 0fps in vdm and some strange unreadable .avi file got created (2pass mode)
It works fine on my Celeron Tualatin 1.2 GHz. I think it has the same or similar instruction set as a PIII 866 Mhz.Originally posted by bond
- psychovisual enhancement is in contrary to nerodigital and xvid NOT adaptive quantisation (or at least it kicks in that rarely that i didnt see it being used). instead i think its simply some sort of smoothing preprocessing filter
I read the explanation from "The Official DivX Guide" and it sounds to me more like shape-adaptive DCT as described in the MPEG-4 standard. Perhaps someone in the know should confirm or deny this.

[AmigaFuture]

Greetings again,

I wasn't terribly happy with the lack of answers to my questions & I'm not usually the kind of person to just say "Aw, heck with it." & do it anyway without info making sure the product IS worth the money. However, this is one of those RARE times. I'm very happy with the Philips DVP-642 I bought, even though my Apex DVD player wasn't even that old...I won't be buying another DVD player for a long time to come as along as Philips DOES stick to doing GOOD quality as well as DivX doing the same. ;)
I've been watching DivX for a while & Philips has been a good solid name so I don't see the machine having problems. Anyway, with that said I'll point out what I was looking for & what I've found thus far:

DivX video with AC3 audio wrapped in AVI format (MPEG-4) with the ability to pick from _multiple_ AC3 tracks since I also archive commentaries. They do not play well from a standard 700MB CD-R, The Matrix being tested..you'll get audio drop-outs, & some video jerking at different times in the movie (I only have the Soundtrack & Commentary because I don't like the Score commentary much..I'm not a huge fan of the music..) HOWEVER, as I started to notice through different questions OTHER people asked & *problems* (I don't have *issuses*) they had that DVD+R/Ws work very well!! THIS was pleasing to actually SEE. Copy 3 AVI files from 700MB CDs to the Harddrive, then burn them to a DVD+RW & playback in Philips DVP-642...SWEET! All plays fine, except for a *moment* or so of _lag_ when pressing the AUDIO button for the AC3 to catch up with the Video, but it works pretty darn nice! I do happen to have some older archives of my put-away DVDs where I used MP3 (320kbit) & they worked just fine from a CD-R.. Humm..kind of annoying since I only use AC3.

Overall, DivX/XviD seems to be working well. AC3/MP3 are working well, too, with a minor annoying step being needed when AC3 is used. I just don't like MP3 for movies...I can hear the loss. So far, all in all, it's working VERY well. Auto/GodianKnot & DvdReMake (Pro), DVD Rebuilder, DivX, XviD are GREAT tools. Love the new hardware, I'll have to keep tabs on the firmware updates. Thanks, guys! This sure makes it easier to keep my originals is GREAT shape!!!

Rock on! The MP3 player needs some info displayed.. No ID3 Tags or anything? I'll check the docs again..humm.. Maybe it's sacraficed for Video playback? Haha.

[AmigaFuture]

@DigitAl56K or anyone else...

I'm trying to import chapters into VDubMod which contains DivX video & multiple AC3 audio. (I hope I'm posting in the right area..) When I save a part of the file as .AVI it doesn't retain the chapters or subtitles. When I save it as .OGM it does play via Classic Media Player but the Philips DVP-642 just kicks the DVD+RW out. I haven't yet tried with a CD-RW but I'd guess the same results.
Is VDubMod 1.5.10.1 the wrong container maker? Is something something I'm not doing correctly? The owners manual says it DOES handle subtitles within the file (AVI) but nothing about chapters. I'm not hard encoding Subtitles as I don't care for that method. I'm using SRT (SubRip) which DOES work fine as an external file in Philips DVP-642.

Thanks in advance for replies.

[jggimi]

@AmigaFuture

Your question is about container and player capabilities, and has nothing to do with DivX, per se.

The AVI container is incapable of housing a subtitle stream, nor can it manage chapter marks. With AVI, subs must either be "burned in" as part of the video images, or they must be retained in a separate file.

What external subtitle formats are supported during playback, if any, will depend upon your AVI player. The issues are the same for standalone players as well as PC-based players. For example, my standalone player doesn't support any external subtitle files, nor does the Windows Media Player.

But, in Windows, one can use DirectVobsub to overlay subtitles with any DirectShow based AVI player, such as Windows Media Player, as long as the subtitle format is understood by DirectVobSub, and file location and naming convention rules are adhered to. Obviously, one can also use some software AVI players that understand subtitles, such as BSPlayer or ZoomPlayer. These may support a broader selection of subtitle file formats. In the same fashion, a standalone player that supports external subtitles should have a list of supported formats, as well as any other restrictions that may apply to their use.

If I recall correctly, OGM and MKV containers both support chapter marks and subtitle streams. Unfortunately, I don't know the capabilities of your hardware player, but based on your description, it appears it doesn't understand the OGM container.

[AmigaFuture]

Hi. That's why I said I wasn't sure if this was the right area or not. I'm a little confused about where the problem is.

I understand how to play AVIs via windows or another OS, & that WMP (Yuck!) won't play Subtitles without something like FFDShow which is what I use with Media Player Classic. I'll move my question to the hardware players area then.

Note that so far I've read the manual from top to bottom but have seen nothing talking about the container that's used (ogg/mvk..) & nothing about extentions (Geez, I wish Windows didn't have to use those.. Amiga did it right, I miss that!)

Again, thanks for the reply.

[stephanV]

Originally posted by jggimi
@AmigaFuture

The AVI container is incapable of housing a subtitle stream, nor can it manage chapter marks. With AVI, subs must either be "burned in" as part of the video images, or they must be retained in a separate file.



this is wrong, avistreaminfo has a ffctype "text" for textstreams. in other words: textbased subs are very well possible in AVI. you can mux srt and ssa subs in AVI with AVImux gui. there probably isnt any hardware support for it though. some players do support srt subs burned as a separate file on the cd. youd have to check the manual.

chapters are (probably) not possible in AVI

hardware for support for OGM or MKV doesnt excist AFAIK... unfortunately (for mkv anyway...)

[jggimi]

Thanks for the clarification on the AVI container capabilities, Stephan.

[AmigaFuture]

@stephanV

Thanks for the reply. I thought it should be able to be used as a container but even with AVI-Mux GUI 1.16.7 I'm not having any luck saving subtitles with AVI. After going back to the User manual again I see, "If an external subtitle has been selected, the DivX embedded subtitle will be deactivated."

Does Embedded mean "burned in" or wrapped in a container? I'll admit I'm a little confused by the wording. Checking different sites it sounds like "encoded into the video" but then there's "deactivated". So what should I use to make subtitles "embedded" & not "encoded into the video"?

Thanks.

[lark]

i'm pretty sure they are not _encoded_ into the video with avimuxgui,
because that would mean encoding the whole video again...

regards
t :)

[AmigaFuture]

I understand AVI-Mux GUI is just a de/MUXer & not an encoder like VDubMod.

[stephanV]

Originally posted by AmigaFuture
@stephanV

After going back to the User manual again I see, "If an external subtitle has been selected, the DivX embedded subtitle will be deactivated."

Does Embedded mean "burned in" or wrapped in a container?



I have no idea what it means actually... i dont know what a "divx" subtitle is...

which manual was that? of your DVD player? like i said a DivX player is not lileky to support subs wrapped in the AVI-container. you have to burn them as separate file.

[AmigaFuture]

Yes, my Philips DVP-642 manual. That's the closest it comes to telling what kind of container the machine reads or if the subs are burned in. I'll try writing DivX support.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by AmigaFuture
Yes, my Philips DVP-642 manual. That's the closest it comes to telling what kind of container the machine reads or if the subs are burned in. I'll try writing DivX support. As you probably already know, the Philips DVP 642 can spin Mpeg4/Mp3 in both the .AVI and .MP4 containers :D

However, as far as I'm aware the player does not support subtitles placed in the MP4 container... well not Nero subtitles. But I suppose we could do more tests!

As a matter of interest, have there been many firmware updates for this player?


Cheers