Deer Hunter shoddy quality.

[TheSeeker]

Hey all. Ok, I took on the task of encoding the movie Deer hunter onto a single dvd-r. It is just over a 3 hour movie and its from the 70's so quality is already not so great on the original dvd. I originally tried doing this with InstantCopy 8. Yea right that didnt even come close to making a good copy. Then I tried DVDRebuilder because I figured that was the only way to get a decent encode. I ran it through DVDRebuilder and i still get what looks like interlacing jaggies and really grainy undetailed output. Is this an impossible task? or would the big 3 produce a better quality image?? should i change up some settings in DVDRB?? anyone who has experience with this particular movie or with long movies in general please let me know. Oh by the way the compression rate was like a meager 56%

[favalos]

I made a backup of LOR : "the return of the king" .. 200 min (previous reauthoring with dvd shrink, just keeping english audio) with cce 2.67 (10!!! pass) and the backup results great.

Just one problem .. 32 h of encoding ... (PIV 1.8 GHz) ...

Bye

[jhmac]

10 passes what a waiste of time did it with 4 and id be willing to bet you couldnt tell the difference between 4 or 10 pass... Beyond 4 is a waist of time.

[mrslacker]

I've done Deer Hunter and it was very good. Four pass CCE SP. Some say to drop the VBR bias to 20 or so for long movies like this. When I did this movie with bias 20, I ended up with several bitrate spikes and the video froze. I stick to bias 25, quality_prec 16 these days. Although, I have been getting freezes alot with recent RB versions. Anyway, good luck.

[TheSeeker]

Cool. Thanks for the info. I will try 4 passes and bias 25, quality_prec 16 as I was only doing one pass (not counting the analasys). So theoretically DVDRB can produce as good a quality as the Big Three only the big three gives you more flexibility as far as removing extras and editing menus. would this be a true statement?

[writersblock29]

@TheSeeker

<So theoretically DVDRB can produce as good a quality as the Big Three only the big three gives you more flexibility as far as removing extras and editing menus. would this be a true statement?>

Theoretically, yes, since you're using the same encoder. Both the Big Three method and Rebuilder are pretty much just piloting software, launching several different applications from one central GUI. Either of these programs -- if setting CCE to the same perameters -- will give the same results, since neither DIF4U or DVD Rebuilder physically do any encoding. The only real variable that I could see playing a factor would be the final filesize of a given titleset... you'd perhaps get a larger main movie file using Big Three since you processed menus and removed stuff you didn't want. But assuming all files were the same size and encoded using the same configurations, there's really no comparision since you'd be comparing a CCE encode to an identical CCE encode.

[TheSeeker]

OK.. i finally got Deer Hunter done a while back and the quality is not bad considering the original dvd quality was pretty bad. The thing that really sucks now is this: when i play the movie in my dvd player (Sony 5 disc changer) about every 8 to 10 minutes it will skip back and replay the last like second or two. pretty annoying. it almost seems like these replay skips conincide with the spots where CCE breaks up the movie into m2v files. it usually cut the movie up into like 10 minute portions to encode one at a time. and its almost like when the got put back together there was always a little overlap in the audio video. I ran dvdrb in three click mode using cce 2.50... not sure what is going on. anyone else have this prob with any of there movies?

[Joergen]

How many segments was the movie part for you TheSeeker?

[TheSeeker]

You mean how many .m2v files did it split the movie into?? about 20 or so. I didnt count them but like i said they were each about 9 or 10 minutes and the movie is just over 3 hours long. Why?

[Gunner-GoNad]

Hi. I encoded Deer Hunter to XViD a few months back. What I found was the most messed up movie I have ever seen from a studio disc. Anywayz. It goes like this. The first I'd say oh 30 min right until the wedding scene is all progressive, then after that the ****ing thing turns interlaced. I mean c'mon what the hell were they thinking? This made it really hard to reencode. What I did then was split the two parts and encode them seperate. One as progrssive then the other I deinterlaced. Then merged them again. I don't know how you would do this for a DVD, but my XViD came out pretty good.

-Gunner-GoNad!

[Joergen]

Interesting. What I was going for is the "comeback of the segment stutter" which was more of a quick jerk forward.. but if you only got 10-20 chunks (not 70-80 chunks for the main movie) then its prolly not that bug.

I'd go for gonad's suspicion of a shoddy original.. perhaps jdobbs could have a look at the patient (disc).

[TheSeeker]

Yea it could very well be a very poorly mastered disc... Wmansir also said that Sony standalone players have been kinda nasty as far as some backups are concerned. Could be my player who knows?

[Alurker]

I gave up on deer hunter also and .049 works on my sony but get weird pauses with the.050's of RB as I know its my player so I have not posted it as a problem, have not tried the newest yet though.

[TheSeeker]

Hmmm that gives me hope that its just my player. Hmmm maybe it will work on my PS2.. might have to give that a try. Even so, I wasnt real impressed with the movie so I guess I wouldnt be all that bummed if it doesnt work on any player correctly.

[BruceL]

@TheSeeker
Have you tried playing back on a software DVD player from hard disk? If so, is it any better than from hardware player?

[TheSeeker]

you know i have trie it on my computer with WinDVD.. but not long enough to have seen the problem.. I just viewed it quick after burning to make sure of the quality and that it worked... it didnt notice the stutter until i tried watching it with friends... i will try that when i get home from work today for sure. that and try it on my ps2

[BruceL]

@TheSeeker
Can WinDVD play from hard disk? I use PowerDVD and you can select source from hard disk. If you can't play smooth from hard disk, no need to waste the time or DVD burning.

[TheSeeker]

oh yea windvd can play from hard drive no problem