Rebuilder/cce copying speed

[McCoy5]

I have been trying out Rebuilder v 0.52 and a trial version of cce sp 2.67, after some initial problems setting it up i got it to work. The problem is that is taking a long time to rip a dvd. I tried lord of the rings return of the kings , as it was a long film. The first time the whole process took about 10 hours, the second time i made sure all programe that run in the background were turned off. This took about 11 hours, i noticed that the speed never went over 0.6 and my cpu was running at 100%. My system is a P4 1.7 with 768mb 800mhz ram bus. 2 x 80 gb hard drives, geforce 3 64mb graphics Nec 2500a dvd writer.
Is there any way that I can speed this process up, I was expecting it to take about 7-8 hours on this perticular film.

[buzzqw]

and, btw, try OPV mode

BHH

[Joergen]

A P4 1.7Ghz is very low for a P4, as I recall the P4 exponentially increases its encoding speed when the MHz increases, while the AMD XP line increases more steadily.

But even so, 0.6 is pretty low. Try turning off Hyper Threading.

[Sir Didymus]

I totally agree with Joergen: maybe it is allright, but also my feeling is that 0.6 is a little low...

Did you check that nothing is present in the filter editor window ?
Could you post one of the typical AVS files produced in the prepare step ?

[McCoy5]

Rebuilder is set to do two passes, i will try your suggestions tonight (turning off hyper threading) and will try to post one of the avs files when it has finished. (i deleted the original files!!)

thanks

[McCoy5]

sorry but I how do I turn off hyper threading? (couldn't find it anywhere)

[b1ackmai1er]

I beleive hyperthreading is turned off in the motherboard BIOS.

Regards b1m1

[berndy2001]

yes, you can turn it off in the bios.

typical AVS file:
#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:03
#------------------
LoadPlugin("C:\Programme\dvd_rebuilder\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\VIDEO\WORKING\D2VAVS\V06.D2V",idct=7)
trim(5391,8403)
AudioDub(BlankClip())

[wgw]

I have not kept up with P4 technology, but I did not think chips that slow supported HT.

Check your IDE controller settings in device manager and make sure your hard drives are running in Ultra ATA mode, not PIO.

[Lagoon]

wgw is right, HT was only supported by 2.4C and higher models, no way a 1.7 has it.

It may be a 1.7 with the willamette core which is a terrible processor, it shouldnt be that slow anyway so there must still be a problem somewhere.

[McCoy5]

Ripped the same film last night and it took 12 hours. Another stupid question where will I find the AVS log, I had a look but couldn't locate it. (this is where you tell me it is the info produced in rebuilder ie. phase 1 -- Phase 2 etc.):confused:

[Sir Didymus]

@McCoy5

During the prepare step, DVD-RB writes all the files it needs into a subfolder (D2VAVS) of your target Working Path.

Please follow (at least at the beginning) the default configuration:
just two encoding passes, and no "one click" option. This way you may check, at the end of the prepare step (that in your case should take no longer than few tenth of minutes) if your setup is ok, and if yours avs are looking like the one posted by berndy2001.

Just for giving to you some comparison, yesterday evening I took back my old PC from the garage, and switched it on again since a couple of months...

:)

It is still working, and here are some numbers...

P4 1.5 GHz, with 512 MB of RAM, 533 MHz FSB, and it is getting the speed of 0.85 ~ 0.90 in the title I am actually encoding...

Using RB 0.54,
CCE SP 2.67.00.27.
EclCCE 1.81.
Avisynth 2.54 (another suggestion: please check its installation is ok...)

The source path is pointing to a network folder (I mean, the encoding process is not i/o bounded...)...

Cheers
SD

[McCoy5]

Thanks for doing that, I tried doing 2 passes and turning one click mode off. When i ran the encoder it got up to 1.1 but then by the time it got to 65% it was back down to 0.6. I am going to reload avisynth and see if it makes any difference.

[Noah]

Check task manager while you're encoding and make sure CCE is getting 95%+ of your CPU cycles.

[wgw]

I don't think the speed should drop like that unless you are using your compter to do something else while it is encoding. If you are not doing anything on your computer while encoding, I think the speed should remain fairly constant +/- 0.2. A drop in speed like that could indicate a system problem. What OS are you using? If you are running Win2k or WinXP you can check the Event Viewer for errors. I had a bad power supply a while back which really slowed down my system and became apparent when my hard drives kept making clicking sounds and frequent errors appeared in the Event Viewer. Especially CD-Rom erros. Or you might have bad ram. You can try http://www.usenetopia.com/MemTest.zip to test your ram. At this point we are grasping at straws. You should also download Rebuilder v0.54 rather than keep using v0.52 if you have not already done so. Good luck, I hope you find the problem.

@Sir Didymus
I get the same speed on my old 1Ghz Athlon as your 1.5Ghz P4. I always heard that AMD processors gave speeds similar to slightly higher rated Intel chips and I guess it's true. i.e. a AMD 1.67Ghz is now called 2000 for comparison to Intel.

[luphy]

A drop like that partway through encoding makes you wonder about heating issues and the possibility that the computer's dropping its speed because of excess heat.

[McCoy5]

I will try out all your suggestions tonight, thanks. I am running windows xp pro, as far as i can see all the programes in the background are turned off. I checked my cpu and it was at 100%, also my pc dosen't seem to be running hot. Is there any software that might cause a conflict?

[McCoy5]

I loaded the latest version of rebuilder, i also loaded cce sp 2.50. On the first attempt i was seeing speeds of upto 1.3 to start this would then decrease to about .8. But on the second attemp the speeds started at .9 and decreased to about .7 - 6.5. Overall lord of the rings return of the kings took 10 hours to complete all three phases. Is this about right?

[Wooly]

For what it's worth -

Dell PowerEdge 400sc
2.8 Ghz 512k Cache HyperThreaded enabled
1 Gig of Ram (2 512meg Dual Channel)
WinXP SP2
DVD-RB v0.54
CCE SP 2.67

Clearly not the fastest of systems, stock Dell HD and everything (except for the RAM) and yet I'm consistently getting 2.90-3.06 on encodes (a 5-pass of Meet Joe Black, a 3 hour movie, with Dynamic and Half-D1 only took 355 minutes). I don't think it's your version of CCE, nor HyperThreading (which actually INCREASED my speed, not decreased it).


Originally posted by McCoy5
I loaded the latest version of rebuilder, i also loaded cce sp 2.50. On the first attempt i was seeing speeds of upto 1.3 to start this would then decrease to about .8. But on the second attemp the speeds started at .9 and decreased to about .7 - 6.5. Overall lord of the rings return of the kings took 10 hours to complete all three phases. Is this about right?

[luphy]

The fact that the first job started faster, while the second one started slower (I am assuming the computer was never turned off) still makes me think it's a heating issue.

Get a program to monitor your CPU's temps and track that. At the very least, make sure your fans and internals are clear of dust.

[McCoy5]

Thanks for the advise I will check all the fans ect, and try to locate some software. Out of interest I copied ronin last night it took about 8 hours. Don't know how this compares to anyone else?

[McCoy5]

Well I followed your advise Luphy, and you were right. I down loaded pc alert 4 and noticed my cpu was a little hot. I took off my cpu fan and saw that there was still a lable on the cpu, so I removed this, cleand all the fans etc, and replaced the fan using some paste (which seem not to be on there). I now seem to be getting constant speed of 1.2 encoding lord of the rings, and I copied the wizard of oz in 350 mins. It seems to be running twice as fast as it was and my temp at encoding is about 65 degs.

Thanks, wouldn't have sort it out with out your help.

Cheers guys:D :D

[Noah]

Originally posted by McCoy5
my temp at encoding is about 65 degs.
Ouch! That's 149F. I'd want to bring that down if it were my system.

[Faust2]

Originally posted by luphy
A drop like that partway through encoding makes you wonder about heating issues and the possibility that the computer's dropping its speed because of excess heat.

@ McCoy5

Although its seems logical that when the speed decreases after a while, then its maybe a heating issue, on the other hand, a 1.5 Ghz shouldnt produce such heat...
Anyway, you can try "SpeedFan" 4.12. Its free, and its monitors your processor and powersupply heat, and your fans.

Good luck...

Edit: Didnt see you already have a monitoring program...
anyway 65° is still too high, i think

[luphy]

CPUs these days produce more heat more square inch than a stove sometimes!

And encoding is very CPU-intensive.

65 Celcius is high but I'm not sure that's unusually high considering the task. I am assuming the fans are blowing at high speed while all of this is happening. I wonder what your temps were before you tinkered with the fan?

Well, glad you seem to have solved your problems.

If you're really worried, you can always install a secondary fan inside your case. And always a good idea to clean the dust out of your fans, and motherobard, etc. periodically.