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MGRip
26th June 2004, 17:31
Hi,
I have seen lot of topics about Xvid matricies, so here comes my quastion:
What is the (purpose of these) matricies? When to use them?

Thanks,
Mark.

Teegedeck
26th June 2004, 18:27
Crusty's FAQ (http://www.vslcatena.nl/~ronald/docs/xvidfaq.html#C3a)

MGRip
26th June 2004, 20:41
Thanks,
I've unzip the matrix zip file, how to load a matrix I already know, but wich of those matricies are crisper/softer etc.? What matrix do you recommend me to use?

Thanks,
Mark.

Soulhunter
26th June 2004, 21:22
Hint... (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76021) ;)


Bye

MGRip
26th June 2004, 21:54
Thank you.
What is the meaning of "PSNR" (for example: PSNR = 48.60)? If it has higher number is it better?

Thanks again,
Mark.

Soulhunter
26th June 2004, 22:04
Originally posted by MGRip
If it has higher number is it better?Mathematically, yes... Visually, sometimes... Difficult subject... :rolleyes:

Everybody prefers different matrices, I even made my own ones !!!


Also, the choice of a matrix depends on the source n' compression you aim for... ;)

Maybe use the sample pics (or better do your own tests) to find your favorite matrix !!!


Bye

MGRip
26th June 2004, 22:17
I will try it,
Thanks.

Teegedeck
26th June 2004, 22:17
Yes, everybody has his/her own preferences. I myself like Didée's SixOfNine and SixOfNine-HVS matrix for high to medium bitrates and below that the standard MPEG matrix (sharper) or Javor's 1CD-matrix (less blocking). There's also a matrix for anime/CG.

MGRip
27th June 2004, 08:50
Wich matrix do you recommend to use for this video:

55 min.
520*296.
Taken from camcorder.

Thank you in advance,
Mark.

jimmy basushi
27th June 2004, 12:06
MGRip, the only way to really know which matrix you will prefer is to try a bunch of them.

Trim out 2 minutes of that dv cam, and pick out a few matrix's like sixofnine-hvs aka sixofnine-max24, hvs-best and mpeg and just do a simple constant q2 over them (q3 for sixofnine, because of the matrix) and compare the picture quality of those short clips.

Rely on the movie, not screenshots to pick your favourite matrix.

Emp3r0r
27th June 2004, 23:40
I myself like Didée's SixOfNine and SixOfNine-HVS matrix for high to medium bitrates and below that the standard MPEG matrix (sharper) or Javor's 1CD-matrix (less blocking). I just discovered 6of9-HVS for my medium to high bitrate encodes and wow, they look incredible. I highly recommend them since I've never seen such clean looking encodes... faces look cleaner, details look sharper, textures look more like original and at Q2 (with 3 bframes) it usually cuts the bitrate of the original mpeg2 in half.

Didée
28th June 2004, 02:07
:)


Always a pleasure to serve the community.

(Although it's not always aware of it.)


- Didée

MGRip
28th June 2004, 10:12
Thanks, where can I download the 6of9-HVS matrix?

communist
28th June 2004, 10:34
Look into Start -> XviD -> Some Quant. Matrices
And there is also that collection LigH made -> http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73666

Teegedeck
28th June 2004, 11:47
Originally posted by MGRip
Thanks, where can I download the 6of9-HVS matrix?
Please follow this link; one of the values in the matrix has to be changed manually: Look here! (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?&postid=504958&highlight=sixofninehvs#post504958)

MGRip
28th June 2004, 12:00
Thank you guys for your help, I hve found the HVS-6of9 Matrix (max=24). But where is the DC cell for making the change?

Thanks,
Mark.

Teegedeck
28th June 2004, 12:22
The inter-matrix is the right column, the DC-cell is the one at the left in the top row.

MGRip
28th June 2004, 12:24
you mean the first one?

Teegedeck
28th June 2004, 12:43
Yep; unless you read from right to left. ;)

Didée
28th June 2004, 12:43
Exactly.

The right matrix, instead of

12_11_12_...
11_11_12_...
12_12_12_...
...

should read

10_11_12_...
11_11_12_...
12_12_12_...
...

Too lazy to figure out and contact all people distributing them.
And it's not making *that* huge a difference, really.

After all, it's only a set of matrices.


- Didée, beaten by Teegedeck by a few seconds ;)

MGRip
28th June 2004, 12:54
Thanks, you very very helped me :)

And yes, I'm reading right to left :\ but when I'm in English speakers forum I'm reading left to right (in addition my mother tongue is left to right too...).