VHS removing noise ??

[trudnicki]

Recenty I bought a dvd recorder /Panasonic/ and ofcoure i want to get rid of my vhs tapes about 300 /what a waste of usefull space :)/
now big "But..." thing
some of the tapes are not in good condition. The picture has some noise. I mean when I try to make my picture look better watching vhs I usualy use tracking. When its pushed too far the white strip is showing at the bottom or at the top /sometimes You got them in the middle of the screen they look like strips of white dots/
As i sad the tapes are old and i cant adjust them perfectly with tracking is there any way to remove that kind of noise
please help

[rfmmars]

By what you are saying it sounds like problems when the old tapes were recorded in EP or SLP and you now are playing them on a newer VCR then the one that they are were maded on.

You normaly won't have these problems if they were recorded at SP speed. What to do? I have a bunch of s-vhs tapes that were recorded at the SLP mode. I made them on a S-VHS Panasonic and now on my new $500.00 JVC S-VHS 9900u they can't not be played back except for the audio. Again what to do?

For you and me, we will have to find one of those older VCRs at a flea market. You will have less of a problem finding one because yours was not a S-VHS unit, but for me it is going to be tuff for mine was one of the very first S-VHS units made.

The basic problem lies in that there is NO VHS STANDARD except for a loose one for SP mode.

richard
www.photorecall.net

[trudnicki]

ive got them recorded is SP not EP my VHS is panasonic nv-450sd
some where recorded on the older VHS but still good first panasonic with open panel/you dont see cassette hole and buttons they were behid panel. I dont know the model and in SP mode too
Picture is snowing and colors fade out on some parts of the recording
I cant do anything about it ??:confused:

[Video Dude]

If you have a standalone DVD recorder, there is not much you can do (or nothing at all). Some higher end DVD recorder's say they have noise reduction but I don't know how good it works.



But if your DVD burner is inside your computer and you have a capture card you can use post processing filters to clean the VHS tapes up.

Perhaps the best way to do this is with AviSynth filters (Check the AviSynth section of the forum). You can remove the Chroma Noise from the VHS tapes using a filter like GuavaComb. The noise can be filtered either with PeachSmoother or Convolution3D. You can remove some of those white spots you talked about using Conditional Temporal Median Filter or DeSpot.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59388

The AviSynth filters will not make it DVD quality but they will greatly reduce the noise.

[rfmmars]

I still would try other VCRs for playback. My JVC has digital noise reduction. Most VCRs record fairly well but fall down on playback.

Look for a broadcast model on E-BAY I bought a JVC BR-S 611u ($4500.00 US NEW) for $151.00 USED. The next week a simular unit soled for $75.00

richard

[mustardman]

Yeah, your best bet is to try and get the best image possible without resorting to software.

Sure, use software for tweaking after the fact, but at least try and get a good image to work with.

The E-bay idea sounds like the best idea. And go for a profrssional/broadcast model. I have two commercial VCRs, and the standard VHS model (still a good model) gives a better picture than the more expensive S-VHS deck! (of course only on VHS tapes!).

MM

[trudnicki]

I'am just curious if my plan is ok ???
i will conect vhs to dvd recorder burn dvd disk then put it into pc
then removing noise and burn in my dvd burner in computer is this way possible?? is it possible to rip dvd remove nois and burn dvd again ???

[Video Dude]

That is not a good way because first the DVD recorder wil compress, then when you transfer it to your PC, filter it, then burn it back, it will compress again. Two compressions will be worse then the original noise.

You basically have two options:

1) Hook up your VCR to your DVD Recorder using high quality cables. If your VCR has noise reduction or if the the DVD recorder has noise reduction, enable it. After a certain number of tapes, run a dry VCR cleaner tape through your machine. Use the cleaner tape only if your VCR does not include a built in self head cleaner.

2) Hook up your VCR to a video capture card in your computer. Then filter the noise of the video using AVISynth and encode with CCE or TMPGEnc. Then burn the DVD.


Hooking up the VCR to the standalone DVD Recorder would be the fastest way since it is real time. Doing it the capture method on your computer could increase the time it takes by a factor of 10 depending on your computer.

So invest in a good set on Monster cables. Use the best VCR you have. Enable DNR on VCR or dvd recorder if they have those options. Purchase a dry tape VCR cleaner to use after every 10 or so tapes. Some noise will still be present but you really can't eliminate it unless you invest hours for each tape on your computer. But with the number of tapes you have it would take to long to make sense. Just use the VCR with the standalone DVD recorder.

[trudnicki]

i was wandering if that card can do it


Adaptec® VideOh!™ DVD Media Center USB 2.0 Edition


Product Description
The all-in-one solution to turn your PC into a Media Center
System Environment
Personal Video Recording plus DVD and Video CD creation
Benefits
Watch and Control live TV on your PC
Enhance your Video with Sound, Titles & Special Effects
Burn TV, Home Movies, and Photos to DVD or Video CD

Key Differentiators
End-to-End solution to turn your PC into a Media Center
Fully integrated Personal Video Recording (PVR) software to watch, record, and control TV on your PC
Convert home movies and TV programs to Hollywood style DVDs with the included industry leading editing, authoring and burning software
Utilized MPEG-2 Hardware Encoding for Highest Video Quality
Easy to install external device with High Speed USB 2.0 interface for high quality video transfer
Archive home movies and videotapes then burn to DVD-R/RW or DVD+R/RW or CD-RW disks
Edit video adding special effects, transitions, overlay effects, photos, music, titles and more
Record video at full screen MPEG-2 (720 x 480 @ 30fps) D-1 broadcast resolution or other resolutions
Use your existing CD burner to create MPEG-1 Video CDs

System Requirements
600-MHz processor or faster
Microsoft® Windows® 2000, and XP
128 MB RAM
250 MB free disk space for applications
Approximately 450 MB for every 10 minutes of captured video
Video card and monitor that support 16-bit color (24/32-bit color and higher resolution recommended)
Sound card
CD-ROM drive
CD-Recorder or DVD-Recorder
Available USB 2.0 or 1.1 port
Analog video source device(s), such as a television, camcorder, or videotape deck

Package Contains
Adaptec AVC-2310 MPEG-1, MPEG-2 hardware encoding device with 125 channel cable ready TV tuner
Remote control
6-foot RCA to RCA audio/video cable
6-foot USB cable
Power adapter
Installation guide
Two-Year Limited Warranty
CD containing the following:
- Sonic™ MyDVD™ Video Editing, Authoring and Burning software
- TV & PVR Software
- User's Guide
- Adobe Acrobat
- Device Drivers

Warranty
Two-year limited warranty
Electrical & Mechanical Specifications
Video Capture Format
MPEG-1, MPEG-2
Video Input
Composite (RCA), S-Video (4-pin DIN)
Audio Input
Stereo Audio (left/right RCA)
Bit Rate
VCD and adjustable within the DVD specifications
Video Resolution
NTSC: up to 720x480
PAL: Up to 720 x 576
TV Input
75 Ohm Coaxial
PC Interface
USB 2.0 or USB 1.1
Form Factor
L4.75"xW4.10"xH1.4"
Power
5V external power supply (included)
Regulatory Certifications
FCC Class B, CE Class B
Supported Operating Systems
Supported Operating Systems
Microsoft Windows 2000
Microsoft Windows XP


sorry for so long description :sly:

:confused:

[Video Dude]

Thats a good external solution. Just check to make sure that your computer has a USB 2.0 port. If you have only a USB 1.1 port the capture will not look that good.

But I would still strongly suggest that you just use your VCR hooked up to the DVD recorder. Since standalone dvd recorders are expensive and you have one, you should put it to good use. That capture card is expensive and there is a chance the capture method might not give as good results as the DVD recorder. I would stick with your DVD recorder and not bother with the capture card, especially if you never used a capture card before.

(The good thing about the DVD recorder is that you don't have to worry about out of sync audio, dropped frames or other problems related to capture cards.)

[trudnicki]

ok now i have other question. I have some movies /divx/ in my computer. Can i burn dvd with them if yes how?? What do i need ??

I forgot to ask. I've got diffrent record mode: xp, sp, lp and ep which should i choose when recordning form vhs to dvd?? an wich sonection is the best chinch to chinch or s-video - s-video

[mustardman]

movies /divx/ in my computer. Can i burn dvd with them

Yes you can. You will need a program that can take a compressed video, fix the aspect ratio (if needed) and then create a DVD disk. You need a DVD burner on your PC.

Option 2, if you have a DV cam that has DV input, a program called "Video2DV" will play any video (as long as you have a codec) to the DV. You will need a pretty fast computer though. That way you can go "PC > DV > DVD", and saves all the hassles of software burning.


Can't help with your last question. I don't know what XP mode is. If possible, use the s-video connection.

MM

[trudnicki]

So what's the best program to create dvd ??

[jggimi]

There is no "best" answer. But if you go to Doom9's website and click on the Guides link, then click on the Format Conversions link, you will find several step-by-step guides to choose from.