DVD-SHRINK 3.2 is coming!

[geffroman]

Anyone heard what the estimated arrival might be...? Any of the Beta Testers reading this...?

[writersblock29]

Beta testing on the new version hasn't yet started. Ddlooping is just now in the process of rounding people up (and boy, has he gotten a response to his "call-to-arms!")... we may begin testing as early as next week, all things under consideration.

Kinda like a casting call, right now; lining up "actors," but haven't yet begun shooting film. (In fact -- in true George Romero fashion -- the script's still being written!);)

I'm sure Ddlooping and Mr. DVD Shrink will fill everyone in before much longer. Good things come to those who wait! :)

[digitalman]

I thought there wasn't going to be any new versions, just bug fixes. What is this new version going to include?

[geffroman]

Originally posted by digitalman
I thought there wasn't going to be any new versions, just bug fixes. What is this new version going to include? Nope... Full developement is being discussed... Image quality improvements seems to be the buzz right now...

[ddlooping]

Hi all. :)

digitalman, you might want to read the following threads. ;)

http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37290

http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37392

[DK64_MASTER]

and this one

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=78363

;)

(Beat you to it geffroman);)

Cheers!!!

[unixfs]

Is there any chance to see added the possibility to cut out certain
portions of each titleset? (I know I can already make many
titles from one, but I'd like to have 1 title only).

Thanks.

[DK64_MASTER]

You mean seamless branching? I'm afraid shrink doesn't support that. I'm not sure what software does this, but there are some around. I personally wanted to keep menus when reauthoring (and using start/end) but that won't happen.

[Joergen]

Wow, shrink being updated? And I thought it was the rule of the world that anything potentially great must not ever reach full greatness.

BUT: It's not the IQ that needs improvement (Instant Copy 8 gives far worse results in low motion scenes which is a worse balance than what shrink has now, where everything looks superb most of the time)!

I hope dvdshrink leaves the option to use encoding bias as "original" and "new high motion friendly" etc. I dont think we want a free IC8 (crap quality that takes longer than DVD-RB and 2pass CCE).

I think just about the only thing everybody wants to see is:

-Ability to blank out titles like DVDRemake, including copyright warnings inside menu vobs and specific cells inside the movie (like credits).

This would make DVDShrink the complete solution, even if your project is beyond transcoding and you want to blank stuff out for DVD-RB postprocessing.

edit: Looks like the rule still applies, and these most wanted additions will not happen :(

[writersblock29]

@Joergen

Who's to say what direction DVD Shrink will go? I'm sure he's seen the feature requests and will weigh things out. I, myself, think it'd be sweet to have all-in-one functionality with 'Shrink -- so in that respect, I agree fully with you. But (isn't there always a "but?") in the meantime, if 'Shrink has the potential to yeild even greater results doing what it already does, I say "go get 'em!" We've always got DVDRemake, IFOedit, DVD Stripper, and the like to fall back on for now.

And, hey! Just because 'Shrink is fiddling around with the transcoding engine, doesn't mean it'll give you InstantCopy results. Let's see what he's got up his sleeve before we write him off as another programer who fixes something to the point of being broken, eh? ;)

[geffroman]

Everything I have been reading suggests that the main goal is image quality... Leave the editing to DVDReMake... ReMake does a HELL of a lot more than Blank Out Video Streams... As a matter of fact if that's all you want, learn to do it in IFOEDIT with 2Cools cheat sheets... far quicker...

[Joergen]

I dont think dvdremake belongs in the same thread with dvdshrink. It's one of the most expensive tools in the scene and it seems that even bugfixes cost money (the bugs of 1.x only get fixed by upgrading with 10+ USD).

DVDRemake "merely" dresses the ifoedit functions into a nice gui, while DVDShrink is a very powerful, complicated, pioneering tool that costs nothing.

I've bought small-time software in the past, and compared to the market demand and amount of code in DVDRemake, it's a ripoff. But dimad has every right to ask whatever he wants.

[geffroman]

Your point seems to be nothing more than express an opinion about ReMake and slam it... which absolutely has nothing to do with this thread...

My point is that Shrink is NOT and isn't going to be an editor... so as I said USE ReMake or IfoEdit and don't expect Shrink to become an editor... The author has made it clear he is interested in improving image quality... not add editing tools...

[Joergen]

Yes yes, but you cant really say "just use remake", since people cant unless they fork out alot of money for it.

It's like telling a guy complainig about his rusty old Skoda (dvdstripper/ifoedit) to drive a brand-spanking new BMW (remake) instead, as if it was an option, and all the while he could pick up any free combine harvester (shrink), 18-wheeler (dvd-rb), or caravan trailer (dvd2avi) but they're not the same thing.

The still pictures option is already close to editing, but clearly a quick option to lower the space used, and not quite there yet. With blanking, you wouldnt necessarily need the option to edit menus since the blanked out item returns to the menu normally.

There are other tools like dvdstripper (slow, and has some issues), titlesetblanker (not comparable) and vobblanker (cant edit menus).

With all the companies out there cashing in on Transcoding that was pioneered by DVDShrink (lets face it, they all got the idea from this tool for dvd backup), I'd like to see this blanking addition, as it would be the final nail in the coffin of those commercial tools.

But, any motion forward is all good, even if it will never cross the finish line.

[geffroman]

Shrink was NOT the first transcoder on the scene... and If paying for an editor like DVD-ReMake breaks your bank, then use IFOEDIT... Sounds like you can't afford DVDs, DVD-Rs and a DVD burner anyway, so back to the thread Topic...

DVDSHRINK SAID: "Thanks for all your feedback. One thing I noticed is that many of you are happy with the quality and speed of the current version of DVD Shrink. To this end, I will make sure that all changes to the next version are user selectable (additional options in the Backup window), but the default setting will be exactly as now.

Another thing I noticed is the number of additional feature requests, bug fixes, requests for things other than video quality improvements. I have to be blunt about this: sorry, but probably I will not have time."

[writersblock29]

@Joergen

Perhaps I'm missing your point... DVDRemake costs $25 for the newbie-friendly version. Nero 6 costs anywhere from $50-$100, depending on where you're getting it from -- and this seems to be most people's burning software of choice hereabouts. CopytoDVD has a pricetag in the league of DVDRemake, as well -- and many use it. (We won't get into the cost of CCE, if you want to get optimal quality from DVD Rebuilder.) Ditto InstantCopy...$$$. Since all of the above-mentioned software supports the ability to make DVD Backups, where's the BMW analogy come in?

DVD Shrink is free, yes. But it's only free because the author chooses not to charge any money for its use. What if he suddenly decided to charge $25 for it? That'd be his decision and right to do so. It'd still be a tool that many find useful enough to shell out for. (Think about all the many offers put forward to donate towards DVD Shrink's development.)

And what's wrong with offering a user-friendly version of IFOedit? Many who don't use IFOedit, choose not to because it's far from beginner-friendly. Is it rock-solid? You bet: Derrow did a hell of a terrific job on it. Is it free? Yes, unless you voluntarily donated to Derrow's cause. But if you don't know how to use all its features, it's still useless to you (or at least only of LIMITED use). DVDRemake is built for simplicity, and the author seems more than willing to add features as demand dictates.

So, really, we come to the bottom line: If you like the software, find it useful, and worth the price... you pay up and enjoy your purchase. If you think the price is too steep, then you buy or use something else. In my own humble opinion, Diamd isn't out of line in the least for demanding a fee for his work. If he feels his price is fair -- but you don't -- then this is a non-issue; you simply don't buy and/or use it.

DVD Shrink wants to improve his transcoding engine. Great! I'm all over that, and willing to help him out in whatever way I'm able to. He doesn't want to add an editor to it? Okay; that's his choice, and he's the boss. He's still got one hell of a good tool there, so I see it as no loss. To steal part of your line: "Any forward motion is all good."

[wmansir]

Let's try and keep to the topic of DVD Shrink.

@Joergen

I think you a right about why DVD Shrink is not getting such a high-demand feature: It would become to good. But, it is the authors right to include what he wishes. Nobody doubts that even in it's current state DVD Shrink could could at least compete with the commercial programs, so in that sense the author has already given away millions of $ worth of pretty high quality software. Of course, that is not the same as the actual money value lost if he chose to sell it instead, but still a good gift to society.

[MackemX]

quality is still an issue for some at the moment so people still need DVDShrink. I reckon when dual layers are more mainstream 1:1 backups will obvioulsy not require DVDShrink as much

however, people will probably move onto adding DVD's together to save on dual layer DVD's etc and this will be more than the capacity. If they require menu's I guess DVDremake may fit that bill. Stripping still may not reduce the DVD enough so DVDShrink could be used. If they don't need menu's then DVDShrink's author feature is also great :)

so it's a great thing that DVDShrinks quality is going to be improved as it's still going to be useful for a short time yet to quite a few people

p.s. ............

[geffroman]

One thing people seem to forget is that Shrink has made money selling his technology to NERO for ReCode. Yes we all got a great tool for FREE and I am very appreciative. But we also helped to develop the software with our bug feedback and our feature requests. This helped to make Shrink (and RECODE) what it is today.

Some people take donations... some people sell their software to us one at a time... and some people develop a product here in this community and then sell it to a corporation...

If you are donating money (LIKE YOU SHOULD) for the FREE software, then the pay for products would not seem over priced at all. I guess that's the biggest difference with me and Joergen. You see I have donated $40 or $50 for DVD-ReBuilder... I have donated about $50 or $60 to DVDDecryptor... I have donated about $30 to Derrow (IfoEdit)... I am too embarassed to admit how much I got ripped off by InstantCopy... I BOUGHT my copy of CCE Basic... I paid for several versions of Nero... I have donated about $40 to doom9... So I guess that's why I don't think the price for DVD-ReMake is at all unreasonable...

However, if you start bitching about paying for one program I am guessing you are comparing that cost to the ZERO you have paid for all the others... Maybe it's time you bucked up in general...:devil:

[Video Dude]

Originally posted by geffroman
Maybe it's time you bucked up in general...

This thread is getting out of control. Lets remember Rule 4 which states: be nice to each other.

Joergen posted his opinion/gripes with DVD Shrink, a software program. He did not personally insult you or anyone else, so why should he be insulted or flamed. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about a software program, whether you agree with them or not. DVD Shrink could be defended by pointing out all of its postive features, rather then telling people what to do with their money and being rude.

[MackemX]

Originally posted by geffroman
[B]One thing people seem to forget is that Shrink has made money selling his technology to NERO for ReCode. Yes we all got a great tool for FREE and I am very appreciative. But we also helped to develop the software with our bug feedback and our feature requests. This helped to make Shrink (and RECODE) what it is today.

I guess most people are unaware of the goings on in the DVD backup world and this causes debates but I cannot understand why there is all this hush hush malarky sometimes :(. Personally I don't really care if any freeware developer works for MS/Ahead/Pinnacle etc and I don't see why anyone else should if the freeware program speaks for itself anyway

Some people take donations... some people sell their software to us one at a time... and some people develop a product here in this community and then sell it to a corporation...

If you are donating money (LIKE YOU SHOULD) for the FREE software, then the pay for products would not seem over priced at all. I guess that's the biggest difference with me and Joergen. You see I have donated $40 or $50 for DVD-ReBuilder... I have donated about $50 or $60 to DVDDecryptor... I have donated about $30 to Derrow (IfoEdit)... I am too embarassed to admit how much I got ripped off by InstantCopy... I BOUGHT my copy of CCE Basic... I paid for several versions of Nero... I have donated about $40 to doom9...
I understand exactly what you are saying geoffroman and agree with what you say but expecting people to donate is asking too much :). Obviously some people may not be able to afford to donate or just have no wish to donate at all even if they could. I can tell you now until I started developing DVDStripper I had only donated once or twice and probably only to get more advanced versions of software I used

I guess my feelings were that if people want to program and develop software for free then so be it, it's their choice and I assume there will be 1,000's of other users like that. Bottom line is I simply couldn't afford to donate to all the freeware I have used since day one on my PC. I would probably have £1,000's of freeware on my PC if I was to give them all a comparable price I would pay. I have since donated to some of the places and tools I used the most as I appreciate the time and effort a little more these guys put in

the best thing about it all is that no matter which way it goes they are getting better and better all the time and I hope DVDShrink does improve it quality by the time I get a dual layer burner :D

regards :)

[geffroman]

Originally posted by Video Dude
This thread is getting out of control. Lets remember Rule 4 which states: be nice to each other.

Joergen posted his opinion/gripes with DVD Shrink, a software program. He did not personally insult you or anyone else, so why should he be insulted or flamed. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about a software program, whether you agree with them or not. DVD Shrink could be defended by pointing out all of its postive features, rather then telling people what to do with their money and being rude. Actually YOU missed the point... I started this post to announce new activity for the wonderful program DVDShrink... When Joergen suggested SHRINK needed to become an editor I pointed out the tools currently available for that and also explained that from everything I have heard STRAIGHT from SHRINK that IMAGE QUALITY will be the FOCUS of the new SHRINK...

It was Joergen that decided to go off on a tangent and TRASH DVD-ReMake for simply being a pay for product... He even went so far as to call the product a RIPOFF... I think MackemX will agree that if you OWN ReMake and USE ReMake you LOVE ReMake... YES, Negativity and Thread derailing has occurred. But it was Joergen that did both.

So, I took the oportunity to suggest to ALL that if anyone ever donated for any software the cost of ReMake would be meaningless to him/her. No personal attacks have occurred other than Joergen to the author of ReMake. You may want your software for FREE... But you don't have a right to it. And you certainly don't have a right to TRASH a program or an author just because he won't give you a copy! That's absurd and childish.

NOW, BACK TO THE POINT OF MY THREAD... DVDSHRINK is just about ready to go into BETA testing. I understand the testing period will not be long and several good people are going to be working it hard to make this happen. Keep your eyes open for more DVDSHRINK NEWS soon...

[Joergen]

I think people so directly affiliated with AND profiting from the display of dvdremake advertisements shouldnt try to present their opinions of the said software as objective ones, nor should they have the right to attack me for criticising the software on this PUBLIC forum.

[geffroman]

Let me be clear and hopefully put this to rest once and for all... I make NO MONEY from DVDReMake... The link I provided to DIMADSOFT.COM saves you 10% off the price of DVDReMake - DVDReMakePRO & MenuEdit from DIMADSOFT... I could have kept the 10% for myself but I give it all to YOU if you buy the product... I think a THANK YOU would be the appropriate observation if you were to make one at all.

In addition, I personally paid FULL POP for my original copy of DVDReMake 1.x... and after I participated in the DVD-ReMake BETA program for DVDReMake PRO. I also paid FULL POP for the UPGRADE to DVD-ReMake PRO.

I think this makes my opinion as NEUTRAL as anyones. Why don't you just apologize for calling someone elses work a RIPOFF and for derailing this thread with your vendeta against Dimad.

[wmansir]

It appears this thread has entirely lost focus and I don't think it will generate any useful discussion in the future.

If anyone wants to discuss DVDSrhink they can start a new thread. Be aware that Doom9 does not allow the discussion of closed alpha/beta programs, which DVDShrink 3.2 entered yesterday.

If anyone wants to start a thread on ReMake, don't. There is already an existing thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77541) debating ReMake's functionality/cost.