Video Freezing...

[Joergen]

I'm afraid I have to join the freeze-club the same as RaistlinMajere. The Last Samurai freezes on a Sony NS410 in Ch22 when the young emperor says "Teacher you raise against me". If I quickly flick fast forward and play, it continues. I did it with RB55b.

The layer break is a few seconds before that point, when the scene changes from a river bridge to a group of geishas.

A V7 PAL PS2 and two Panasonic players dont display any quircks in that spot.

edit: add Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust to freezing list. Ch15 starts playing but chapter display remains as Ch14, then 3 seconds into Ch15 it freezes. The ff+play trick gets it going again so it starts from the beginning of Ch15.

Those two movies are the only ones I could find where the vobid changes from 1 to 2 at layer break.

[mrslacker]

I've been gone for a while too, but I took a closer look at the timer for one of my freezing movies and a couple of seconds before the freeze, it goes from 57 sec. back to 56 sec and stays there for a second or two then freezes entirely. This is near the begining of the movie at the first vobid transition. This is apparently the way my sony deals with whatever quirk is present. Sadly, running this disc through dvdremake rendered it unplayable. DVD Shrink did nothing to help.

I also took another look at Deer Hunter, which worked with DVD-RB 0.48... It freezes in several spots: one is outside the US embassy in Saigon and the other at the exact moment Michael shoots one of their captors in the head. Neither are adjacent to a layerbreak vobid. I'll take a closer look a the play times when I get some time.

jdobbs, you don't think the ifos are the problem, right? Can any useful information or sanity checking be done with vobedit or vobrator or something similar?

[RaistlinMajere]

I ran the output of The Last Samurai through dvdremake and it fixes the freeze problem. A temporary fix for those with sony's. I am not sure why it only seems to effect sony standalones, although been one of the original dvd standard council i guess they are ultra strict on their dvd handling.

The first generation of sony's had a freeze problem in the disney opening logo of the main feature with the original pal Disney Jungle Book dvd. It would be interesting if this was the same thing causing that. I took the original back only to get its replacement doing the same thing lol I don't have it anymore due to its attractive selling price on ebay , I bet it was due to a vob id change

[dragongodz]

have any of you tried just changing the SCR discontinuity's and seeing what happens ?

[RaistlinMajere]

i tried it, makes no difference

[mrslacker]

RaistlinMajere is right, it doesn't do anything. I tried turning it off for the vob id after the skip and then with discontinuity off for all cells. Shouldn't discontinuity should be set for the start of every new vob id?

[dragongodz]

the next step would be to look at that cells information(in vob as it were) and see if the timestamps or muxing etc is the problem.

[ks03]

I encoded 3 movies with DVD-RB + CCE 2.5 and they all had random freezes only on a Sony DVD player. Not on APEX, Mintek, etc.
To fix the movies I imported them in to DVDRemake 1.4.6 and then exported it back out. Burned and it was fixed. Works every time.

[Joergen]

Except for all those discs that DVDRemake 1.4.6 makes inoperable (about 1/5 of PAL movies that have language menu in video_ts.vob). Hope dobbsie can take a look at this soon.. it might fix other freeze or audio dropout problems too.

[geffroman]

I just finished testing two of the discs I have that demonstrated the freeze... Both were cured by running the RB data through DVDReMake Pro 2.3.1...

The sad thing is I have about 30 movies I have run through RB and have not yet had time to view... I hope I am not going to have to toss a bunch of discs... and I sure don't wanna run EVERYTHING through DVDReMake AFTER RB to insure a working disc...

Please let me know if anyone wants before and after data to test or source the problem... I'll keep it on hand for a week or so...

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by otpelk
Jdobbs..the time unit in for me is 3 in my dvdrb generated ifo

[00000014] Time unit (in seconds) 3 [03]

And remake output ifo is 5

[00000014] Time unit (in seconds) 5 [05]

thought i would let you know this in relation to your last post.

EDIT***original ifo from dvd is also set to 3 maybe you would like to see a copy of all three ifo's?

its wierd how dvd-remake changed the unit to 5 and now its not freezing however with dvd-rebuilder used original time unit and freezes. not saying thats the problem but maybe if you seen the ifo's you may be able to see something that i dont because i dont understand 95% of the stuff in an .ifo file :P I are be confused
:confused: :confused: :confused: Just a note: I went back and checked, and I don't use a fixed time unit, I use whatever was on the original.

[jdobbs]

I just downloaded DVDRemake 2.3.2 to check for differences. What exactly are you doing with DVDRemake that seems to correct the problem?

[jdobbs]

I think I may have found what was causing this. As soon as I test it a little I'll upload something for you to test.

[jdobbs]

Try the attached test version and see if it fixes the problem. If a problematic fileset is still on your hard drive, all you have to do is the REBUILD portion. Please give me feedback -- or this will never be fixed.

[RaistlinMajere]

I will try it out on a problem disc as soon as a current encode has finished. I'll let you know how i get on. Heres hoping :)

[Joergen]

Thanks jdobbs, I'll try the test version now.

[mrslacker]

Way to go! I did a problem disc from scratch and it no longer freezes. I have yet to play the whole thing, but the first freeze I usually expect just plays right through. There is no weirdness with the time counter either. Thanks jdobbs!!! I don't know what you found but I think it was the cause.

[jdobbs]

Cool.

[geffroman]

Hi jdobbs...

Which is the newest version... 56 or 56test...?

[otpelk]

this is great! I have yet tried the new version, but it sounds like problem is solved. Going to redo ROF again and confirm for myself. Will report when i have a result. Thanks jdobbs.

otpelk

[otpelk]

I ran Reign of Fire through DVD-Rebuilder v0.56 and the freezes are gone! Great job jdobbs, you are my hero :D

otpelk

[Cwluc]

Originally posted by geffroman
Hi jdobbs...

Which is the newest version... 56 or 56test...?

I would assume 56test since 56 been out for a little while. Either way I am hoping this solves the issues I've have with SFU.

[wmansir]

Just check the timestamps of the posts, 56test was posted 5 hours before v0.56.

[geffroman]

Yea... 0.56 seems to be the latest... I have run it 3 times on discs with the freeze issue and all are working fine now...

Thanks jdobbs...! :D

[Joergen]

Yes I redid the movie and no more freezes for me with Tom Cruise in his red japanese armor. Amazing job!

[RaistlinMajere]

Ran the troublesome I'm Alan Partridge series 1 through 0.56test and it works flawlessly. None of the six freezes before reoccur. Awesome stuff :O)

I really think the freeze issue on Sony's has been squashed

[wmansir]

Looks like this bug is fixed with v0.56 so I'm closing it in the known issues list.

[eddevrs]

My problem with the freezing "The Abyss" movie on a Sony stand-alone player is solved!!!!!
THANK YOU MR. DOBBS. You made my month :)
By the way: the subtitling problem for this movie (4:3 -> 16:9) is also solved! This version 0.56 is really the best one I've ever seen!
To my opinion, you can call this version 1.0!