.d2v 24fps 480lines(NTSC) FILM problems

[ZZT]

1)I use a few latest DVD2AVI versions (currently I'm searching which ver. is the best) with mpeg2dec3 or mpeg2dec3dg.
Seems, like they decode "PAL" movies fine into 25, or 24 fps.
But I can't make *correct* .d2v of some "NTSC" 23.9 fps disks.
For exaple one man gave me his Japanese DVD of "Spirited Away" to make a divx. It is certainly 23.9fps FILM and smartripper (I found it later) makes fine .d2v.
But DVD2AVI tries to make 29.9FPS *INTERLACED* .d2v, or garbaged 24fps if FILM is forced. But even if it is 24 fps, it is still wrong decoded with artifacts and bugs.
2)mpeg2dec3 for AVISYNTH 2.5x (I've tried decodefix110b2, DVD2AVI-TS and mpeg2dec3_25_dll_20030728) CRASHES with "FILM" option enabled in the .d2v. So, If I have correct(see #1) d2v, I just have to remove "FILM" option. But this can also result in Interlacing in some situations :-(
What do I need to change in software configs or scripts to solve this problems?

[Cyberia]

You're probably going to need to post a segment of the vob.

(beat ya to it don)

[Leak]

Originally posted by ZZT
1)I use a few latest DVD2AVI versions (currently I'm searching which ver. is the best)

While I'm on a roll replying to your posts - you might want to use Donald's latest version (http://neuron2.net/fixd2v/decodefix.html), as the versions you mentioned aren't really the latest.

By the way, if you're after the latest versions of Donald Graft's plugins, you might want to pay his site at http://www.neuron2.net/ a visit... ;)

np: Fluke - O.K. (Oto)

[ZZT]

Originally posted by Cyberia
You're probably going to need to post a segment of the vob.

(beat ya to it don)

Ohh... If only I could :-( But not with 26400 modem connection with a time limit :-(

Leak! Great thanks to your responsiveness!
That 3 posts were awaiting for a long time in my "temp.txt" before got to doom9.forum :-) So they appeared simultaneously.
Again, thanks for the links! I will check them asap.

[Guest]

My Spirited Away works just fine with FF. What do you mean by "artifacts and bugs"?

Uh, you did use movie mode to rip and not file mode, I hope. If you mix up multiple angles, you'll get very bad results.

[manono]

Hi-

I own the Japanese R2 version of Spirited Away (the one where everything is pink), and IVTC'd it. Make sure (if using DVD Decrypter) that you decrypt in IFO Mode. And as neuron2 says, if using SmartRipper, make sure that you decrypt in Movie Mode, and not in File Mode.

Then use DVD2AVI with no Force Film and IVTC back to 23.976fps using Decomb's Telecide/Decimate combination.

And don't let SmartRipper make the .d2v for you. Use more up-to-date tools for that.

[ZZT]

Originally posted by neuron2
My Spirited Away works just fine with FF. What do you mean by "artifacts and bugs"?

Uh, you did use movie mode to rip and not file mode, I hope. If you mix up multiple angles, you'll get very bad results.
I had original Japanese/Chinese version (already returned to owner now and erased after divx-ing)
FILM mode made very strange patterns with random interlace and chroma bugs. (as I remember) So, I need time to take thad disk again and check it with newer DVD2AVI. A was hoping that somebody knows exact solution to exactly this problem, but now I need time to ask fo that disk. (We mostly have PAL disks here in russia, so NTSC is realy rare and nobody could give me a hint)

About decrypting: SMARTRIPPER worked great, only fps needed to be fixed :D
But that was first time and I tried to use DVD2AVI processing and... you know...

Then use DVD2AVI with no Force Film and IVTC back to 23.976fps using Decomb's Telecide
yep. If it is interlaced. But my ver. was Progressive. SMARTRIPPER made it progressive (2 2 2 2 2 2... ?) and VDUBMOD read 1st VOB as progressive 23.9fps.
... and why is it no good to make d2v with smartripper? It made perfect d2v with only bug in fps, what was fixed in 1 second.

[manono]

Hi-

It sounds as if you have one of the bootleg Miyazaki boxsets, the kind where they put 2 (and sometimes 3, depending on which boxset you have) movies on the same DVD. Anything goes with those things. They're all screwed up.

If it is interlaced. But my ver. was Progressive. SMARTRIPPER made it progressive (2 2 2 2 2 2... ?)

Where did all those 2s come from, the .d2v that SmartRipper made for you? Then it was encoded as interlaced, and must be IVTC'd after making the project file in DVD2AVI with no Field Operation (no Force Film). Didn't you say that you saw interlacing after using Force Film in DVD2AVI? So don't Force Film. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by chroma bugs, but if I'm correct in thinking that you have the bootleg boxset, then they are most likely compression artifacts from trying to squeeze too much into too little space.

[ZZT]

Hey-hey-hey! That's not chinese pirated recompressed copy.. That was original 2Disk (movie + bonus) "advanced" box with finest polygraphy.

talking about "2 2 2" ... I can't remember exact pattern, maybe that was "12 12 12"... but that was certainly simpliest pattern with the identical numbers along all the d2v. DVD2AVI made horrible 29.9fps Interlace with very different numbers along the list.

ok... now I use newest dg-package.. I cant test that disk, but I have Russian/Korean NTSC disk with "Owl's Castle" It works fine... I will try to borrow that disk again... maybe just a VOB from it... But that will be after July.5 or later :-( ...

[manono]

Hi-

That's not chinese pirated recompressed copy..

OK, sorry. :) But there's been more than one discussion here about those not-so-good bootlegs.

But if your Spirited Away was encoded with all 2s, then it's not top quality either, as they encoded it as Interlaced, rather than Progressive. As neuron2 mentioned earlier, the R1 version is FILM/Progressive, and it can be Force Filmed. But that's what Decomb's Telecide/Decimate IVTC combination is for.

DVD2AVI made horrible 29.9fps Interlace

Yes, that's what happens when you make your .d2v with No Force Film. It gives you back the telecined movie. And Decomb will restore the progressive frames for you, remove the duplicates, and in the process bring it back to 23.976fps.

[ZZT]

As I mentioned, I can be wrong about "all 2s".. that could be other repeated numbers (I don't have neither CD nor d2v now). It was decoded as progressive 23.9fps by smartripper (upper post)

es, that's what happens when you make your .d2v with No Force Film.
Yes, but force-film didn't work with that disk :-( That's why I have opened the topic.
And Decomb will restore the progressive frames for you
with CPU power loses and possible croma losses ;-) It is not necessary i? the film is already progressive and only need to be decoded correctly :-) (finaly I got good 23.9 fps as I already mentioned... but not with DVD2AVi :-/ )

[Leak]

Originally posted by ZZT
And Decomb will restore the progressive frames for you
with CPU power loses and possible croma losses ;-) It is not necessary i? the film is already progressive and only need to be decoded correctly :-) (finaly I got good 23.9 fps as I already mentioned... but not with DVD2AVi :-/ )

Well, my DVD of Armitage III (the Japanese one) is definitely interlaced - it's


7 0 32 0 0 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12
7 0 172064 0 0 2 2 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12
7 0 536096 0 0 2 2 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12


all the way. If your disc really were progressive, the flags should really change for every frame. Also, the Japanese disc has quite a lot of (29.970FPS) rainbows that were introduced somewhere in the editing process, and if the disc were progressive (with soft telecine applied by the decoder to get to 29.970FPS) the rainbows sometimes would stay the same (due to being duplicate fields without force film) when you seperate the fields and step through them in AviSynth/VirtualDubMod, which they don't.

Then again, that's of course not the DVD you have ;), it was just an example for an interlaced DVD. But since my DVD here is hard telecined (as in "encoded into the video", rather than by setting a few flags in the stream) a fieldmatcher like Telecide and a way to decimate a frame out of 5 (like Decimate) is the proper way to go.

Dunno what you used, but if it works for you... still - could you perhaps check for us what the D2V file for your DVD looks like?

np: Gescom - Keynell 1 (Keynell EP)

[ZZT]

Hmmmm..
Progressive encoded as Interlaced 23.9fps !? Is it possible?
Very strange. Maybe they made this for smoother telecine in DVD players?
Of course when I talk about 23.9 progressive, I mean AVS->VDUB->ending titles and other movements are smooth. But, of course I don't know, how is it decoded to be 23.9fps.

Of cource I'll ask that disk again if it wiil be possible (or it's rip). Now I have more tools to check this. All problems could be only In tools I used :-/