DVD ReBuilder: Known Issues

[wmansir]

DVD ReBuilder: Known Issues

The following are known limitations or issues with DVD Rebuilder. This post is meant to help users identify problems they encounter and focus discussion, it is not a definitive bug list. If you are having an issue not mentioned here, be sure to check the FAQ (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74273) and search the forum before submitting it as a bug.

How To Add A Known Issue
Check to make sure it isn't already known. It may not be listed here. Search the forum. If one of the large bug report threads comes up try switching the search options to "Show Results as Posts".
Start a new thread. Use a short, but descriptive title. Give a detailed account of the issue. Be sure to mention what version of DVD-RB you are using and the steps to reproduce it, if known.
Wait for other users to confirm the issue and some discussion to be generated.
Wait some more. If it's a relatively strait forward issue jdobbs might know exactly what caused it and be able to put a fix in the next release. In that case no further discussion is needed and I won't bother to list it here. If the next release doesn't fix the issue or it has been a week* since it was first discovered and no new release has been posted, then it becomes eligible for the list.
If after that it is not listed here you can post here to remind me or PM me. In either case, please include a link to the discussion thread.

* Roughly a week. If it is a major issue it could be less time, but jdobbs is usually pretty good about issuing quick fixes for major issues.

DO NOT REPORT BUGS HERE If you wish to report an issue, but don't think it merits going thru the above steps, you can still report it in the Current Bug Report Thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73853). Like I said above, this is not a definite issue list so don't think an issue has to listed here before jdobbs or other users look into it.

Limitations

CCE 2.70 (and up) not supported
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83767)
Currently being looked into.

Closed Captioning is not retained
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77489)
Currently being looked into.

Menus not re-encoded
Support planned.

One-Pass VBR Output Size Off
Due to the nature of One-Pass VBR the output size is not guaranteed. DVD-RB tries to predict the final size by analyzing a portion of the video, however, that sample may not reflect the entire stream accurately. There are several Hidden Settings (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=482090#post482090) you can adjust to tweak the process, but if you require very accurate file size prediction it is recommended that you turn off One-Pass VBR and use the standard Multi-Pass encoding.

Known Issues

Subtitle incorrectly displayed on some standalones
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=509372#post509372)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75483)

Auto-Shutdown not working/freezing computer
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=517971#post517971)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77649)

DVD-RB Error #0004 during rebuild
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=513874#post513874)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75504)

Audio/Video skipping/stuttering
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=513880#post513880)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75848)

Audio track selection not saved during processing
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=581966#post581966)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79228)

Button Over Video/Stills may not display correctly
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=520071#post520071)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75470)

DVD timer display can malfunction
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=626778#post626778)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78051)

Audio drops out
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=626778#post626778)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82124)

Runtime error '5' on Win98SE (v0.51+)
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=521198#post521198)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77190)

Missing Subs when using Convert LB 4:3 to 16:9
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=521199#post521199)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79001)

Video Freezes on some standalones (Sony only?)
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=529649#post529649)
Discussion:Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78541)

Multi-Angle/IlVu DVD issues
Status: Open
Discussion:Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86798)


Status definitions:
Open - The issue has been confirmed by more than one user or jdobbs himself. More information/help may be needed, check the discussion.
Resolved - A fix has been implemented and released, further testing is required.
Closed - The issue has been confirmed as fixed by multiple users. No new reports of issue. Click 'closed' for a link to the post announcing the closure of the issue.

[wmansir]

I just threw this together in about an hour. Thank QuEnc's "Extreme & Slow" mode for giving me the time, otherwise I was going to play a game. :)

If you are aware of a known issue that is not on the list, or a change in status of one listed, you can post here to tell me or PM me (http://forum.doom9.org/private.php?s=&action=newmessage&userid=53).

[brashquido]

Superb wmansir! Answers just about all the big Q's for me :)

[Harm]

Nice try wmansir! Apparently those encoding times have a positive side to :D !

Maybe in due time also something similar is created for known suggestions and enhancement requests..... :sly:

[wmansir]

Like I said in the thread that started this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76804), that isn't something I feel comfortable doing. If you, or anyone, want to continue the discussion we can do it there. I'm sure we can come up with something.

[youngm]

Could the lack of IVTC support be added to this list of known issues? I can hope that support for IVTC is planned in the future but even if it is not it would be good to track the fact that DVD-RB doesn't support IVTC here for those wondering. You can find an existing discussion in this thread:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76882

Regards,
Mike

[wmansir]

I don't think I would call lack of IVTC an "issue". It would be a nice addition, but lack of IVTC doesn't create an invalid, or inferior backups, when compared to the original. Just like Deinterlacing, 4:3->16:9 conversion it is a (potential) enhancement to the original.

However, if jdobbs were to announce it as a planned addition I could add it to the 'limitations' section just to let people know it is coming. But I haven't seen any mention of it from him.

[youngm]

I would be happy if you could put this in the limitation section. I agree that it isn't really an "issue" either so if it could get a mention as a limitation or have an item in the FAQ that would be great.

Mike

[Rombaldi]

I don't want to hassle jdobbs about it, but he never came back to me after the last bit of information I came up with, but somewhere along the line DVDRB has stopped passing the correct video frame size thru. As I said in the bugs thread, I have some discs that were generated by the Panasonic DVD recorder as 704x480 (Broadcast D1) that are getting treated as 720x480 and the come out as the 'horizontal hold' is off (distorted picture), the 704 is being fed to CCE as 720 and it's truly 'skewing' the output. I went thru and manually changed all the ECL files from 720 (as generated) to 704 (as they are) and the re-encode/rebuild process went perfectly...

except for having to change all those durn ECL files :)

it hasn't ALWAYS been this way.. I still had one of the BFF test versions (that's a WAYS back) and it DID pass it thru as 704x480, but I can't say when it changed...

(hoping for either it to automatically go back to passing the right value thru)

[wmansir]

I closed issues 3 & 5 and added issues 7 & 8.

I also added a new section "How to add an Known Issue". I deliberately made it a time consuming process because the main purpose of this list is to keep things organized for the elusive/persistent issues. I don't think it's necessary to list short lived bugs that are introduced in one version and gone the next. I also made starting a new thread a requirement because 1. it helps focus discussion and bring attention to the issue and 2. it makes it easier to list here and point users to the relevant information.

EDIT: also added color.

@Rombaldi

I suggest you start a new thread on the 704x480 issue. I searched the forum and found your posts but couldn't find any confirmation from jdobbs or another user. I don't know how many people are using broadcast D1, so that may be difficult. If nobody refutes your findings within a week I will add it to the list, or as soon as someone confirms.

[wmansir]

I changed Issue #5 from:

"Audio track selection not saved per project"

to:

"Audio track selection not saved during processing"

to clarify the issue.

DVD-RB does save the audio and sub track selections when saving a project. The issue here is that once you check/uncheck non-default audio tracks and then prepare a project, if you close DVD-RB and then re-open it, the default audio tracks are checked/unchecked. If you don't correct it before performing the rebuild step your results will be over/undersized and contain the wrong audio track(s). This only effects three-click mode.

If anyone wants to discuss this further you can start a new thread and I will add a link here and under the issue listing.

[wmansir]

Added issue 9 "Runtime error '5' on Win98SE (v0.51+)"

From my observations so far this issue effects ALL Windows 98 SE users and possibly Win98 and Win95. If someone is running DVD-RB without this issue on any of those platforms please give some feedback in the discussion thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77190).

[geffroman]

I can't find info on "runtime error 9"... What is it...?

[jdobbs]

Runtime error 9 is a "subscript out of range" error. I haven't heard of anyone getting one of those in a long time. Where did you get it -- PREPARE, ENCODE, or REBUILD? It usually means your source has been hosed.

[wmansir]

Here's a good discussion on Runtime Error 9. If it's still present I'll add it to the list.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75168

[geffroman]

I found it... MY FAULT.... sorry guys... I missed a VOB file I needed and ReBuilder caught it with the "runtime error". I put the missing file back in the folder and all ran well...

[Joergen]

I think you can add 16:9 conversion missing subtitles except track #1 to known issues.. although it's erratic since I've done 1 good lb conversions so far, two bad out of 3. I didnt notice it at first since the #1 track was the track I wanted in one movie anyway.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79001

[wmansir]

I'll give it a couple more days, or if it is still present in the next release, whichever comes first.

[jdobbs]

Something else is going on there. There really is no connection between the 16:9 conversion and subtitles...

[wmansir]

Marked issue 9 "Runtime error '5' on Win98SE (v0.51+)" Resolved with v0.55 release.

Opened new issue 10 "Missing Subs when using Convert LB 4:3 to 16:9". Discussion Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79001).

[wmansir]

Marked issue 10 "Missing Subs when using Convert LB 4:3 to 16:9" Resolved with v0.55a

Marked issue 5 "Audio track selection not saved during processing" Resolved with v0.55b

EDIT:

Re-Opened issue 5 "Audio track selection not saved during processing", the fix in v0.55b was for another issue. My mistake.

[wmansir]

@Pabloz
I deleted your post because it was off topic for this thread.

@all
Please only post in this thread if you have a suggestion, correction, or update for the Known issues list/post.

[wmansir]

Closed issue 9 "Runtime error '5' on Win98SE (v0.51+)"

Closed issue 10 "Missing Subs when using Convert LB 4:3 to 16:9"

Opened issue 11 "Video Freezes on some standalones (Sony only?)" Discussion Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78541)

[dinoman]

jdobbs:

Runtime error 9 is a "subscript out of range" error. I haven't heard of anyone getting one of those in a long time. Where did you get it -- PREPARE, ENCODE, or REBUILD? It usually means your source has been hosed.

Now that I can finally post, I just wanted to add that once jdobbs fixed the Runtime error '5' on Win98SE (v0.51+) issue for Win98, I did run into this issue the very first thing I tried - and it turned out to only been that one source. Which may make sense since I did get retries (but no read errors) when ripping the source. But when I played the vob in question, the video seemed OK. I did want to add that running the source in question through DVD Shrink did result in a source that DVD ReBuilder could open without error.

I can also verify that the fix for the Runtime error '5' on Win98SE (v0.51+) worked for me as well.

Regards,
Dino

[wmansir]

Closed issue 11 "Video Freezes on some standalones (Sony only?)"

[djan]

Hi wmansir,

What about to list this issue too : http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=76099 ?

Thx to let know.

[djan]

This one is interresting too and jdobb is going to fix it (I hope :)): http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=80224 .

[djan]

Hi wmansir,

jdobbs fixed these two issues I'm talking about above in the 0.57 version. Thx to jdobbs !

[lamster]

Suggested Issue #12 - Rebuilder causes QuEnc to display "AVS File is not outputing" error during Encode phase; if not addressed, results in either Buffer Overflow Error #0003 or "Error in UpdateIFO: Shouldn't happen - contact developer." in Rebuild phase.

Discussion is in the v.63 error msg AVS file not outputing? (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=555276#post555276) thread; work-around is given here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=564363#post564363) .

It's been around from 0.63 through at least 0.66a.

(Fixed by 0.67.)

[wmansir]

Removed Multi-angle/IlVu limition. DVD-RB can now handle them.

Closed Issue #5 "Audio track selection not saved during processing "

Updated Issue #8 Audio drops out" discussion link, the old thread was dead.

Opened Issue # 12 "Multi-Angle/IlVu DVD issues", created new discussion thread, here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86798).

If anyone has any new issues to add, post here or PM me. Check the original post to find out if it qualifies.

[ookzDVD]

How about the "forever loop" in some case (Mummy Return Region 1)
while use one-pass VBR during the finding the Q for some sort clips
will lead into forever loop while the program can't find the desired Q, the program with try and try to use diferrent value of Q (lots of try... seems to be forever loop) but the size result is the same. :(

[erdoke]

Suggested issue: Removed audio and subtitle streams still can be selected when playback of the output (v. 0.70). It would be nice if I wouldn't had to get another tool to disable those streams. ;)

[jdobbs]

I wouldn't agree that is a bug... Removing the selection from the IFO files causes more problems than it solves -- as has been proven by other packages. The choice is either to leave the audio in -- or don't select audio that has been removed.

[erdoke]

I didn't intend to say that it is a bug. It is definitely an issue for me. You can't tell of a stream that has been removed when selecting it in WinDVD or on the remote of a standalone player.
I've never had problems disabling these with PGCEdit. They just disappear from selection list.

[jdobbs]

But they still show on the menus... I've seen too many problems caused by folks modifying the sequences in IFOs.

[geffroman]

This has been a problem for me for a long time...

My solution is to just use DVDShrink to burn my finished movie. At first this really bothered me because I felt like I was having to run another process because DVD-RB didn't FINISH the job as it related to stripping of languages... But then it occured to me that I am only really using about 3 minutes more and for that three minutes Shrink is removing the markers and building me a clean ISO file and then it automatically starts the burn using DVD Decryptor...

It's all a win win really... so I no longer care that DVD-RB leaves unwanted language references in my IFO files...

[erdoke]

Originally posted by geffroman
...then it occured to me that I am only really using about 3 minutes more and for that three minutes Shrink is removing the markers and building me a clean ISO file and then it automatically starts the burn using DVD Decryptor...

It's all a win win really... so I no longer care that DVD-RB leaves unwanted language references in my IFO files...

It's not a big deal with PGCEdit also (disabling removed audio and subtitle streams), but it would be nice to have this feature in Rebuilder as well.
Anyway I always remove unnecessary buttons with DvdReMake, but these streams can be selected both in sw players and on standalones if references weren't removed from the movie VTS IFO (even Shrink leaves them alone in VIDEO_TS.IFO).

[geffroman]

Originally posted by erdoke
(even Shrink leaves them alone in VIDEO_TS.IFO).

True... but this alone does not make the unwanted languages visible to any stand alone I have ever used...

[erdoke]

Sure, I meant it as a nice feature. If you completely remove a stream from a movie, your menu can be screwed up, if only you have a very intelligent application that reorganize navigation. I know no such program. ;)

[geffroman]

I am having a freeze again... on several DVDs... It is happening more and more lately... Law and Order SVU... Law and Order: Criminal Intent... Law and Order Season 14... Terminal... and others...

Example: Terminal\Chapter 17\Cell 19\VOB ID 5

The player will play about a second of cell where the FREEZE starts... Then if you bump the FF button and back to Play it goes back to the beginning of that same cell and plays through without hesitation...

I am using a Sony DVD player that is very picky about DVD Spec... I use it to test all my back ups that way I know they'll work in the car or in the bedroom DVD players we have.

The problem happens when a chapter has more than one cell and changes VOB ID from one cell to the next... It can occur whether there is a Layer Break or NOT... It does not go away even if I play with the numbers in PGCEdit as everyone in the past advises...

I used to think this was a problem caused by using DVDReMake prior to running DVD-RB. So I have recently been using VOBBlanker on the Extras ONLY leaving the main VTS files untouched by anything other than DVD-RB and the problem keeps coming...

I use DVD-RB with CCE 250 and DGDecode.dll...

Any thoughts...? Thanks...

[jdobbs]

Does it ever happen when you don't run one of those packages?

[geffroman]

YES...

I just ran Terminal again with DVD-RB & CCE SP 2.50 with dgdcode.dll on raw files straight from DVDDecryptor...

I get the same hang at:

VTS-8\Chapter 17\Cell 19\VOB ID 5

Cell 19 is where it changes to VOB ID5... Cell 18 was still VOB ID 4.

Most cells have no SCR Discontinuity checked and have a value of 8... Cell 19 has SCR Discontinuity checked with a value of 10... I am going to change it to 8 and run DVD-RB again although this made no difference with the DVDReMake and VOBBlanker preprocessed files...

Additionally there are other multi cell/multi VOB ID chapters in this same movie with the same SCR Discontinuity settings and no pause occurs at that point...

What do you think...?

IFOs Here (http://posunplugged.com/terminal)

[jdobbs]

Discontinuity isn't unusual so I'm not sure what the link would be there.

What format is your copy of the Terminal. I backed up the NTSC R1 version without a hitch.

Added: The extra bit just indicates that seamless playback is linked in the PCI. It indicates that a table is present in the NAVPACK that is used when this flag is set (VOBEDIT doesn't show it, so you'd have to look at it in hex).

[geffroman]

Yes mine too was NTSC R1... Playback is fine on several players I tested... However, two very different model Sony's both hang consistently...

Sony seems to be very picky about dvd structure... This is why I test on Sony... If Sony plays it, I know it will play anywhere...

[jdobbs]

What happened when you changed it to just a discontinuity (without seamless playback linked in the PCI)?

[geffroman]

What I have learned so far.

Used a clean copy of DVD-RB Ver70 processed data that has the freeze. Made changes to data with PGCEdit.

By default DVD-RB removes the Layer Break by changing the Cell type from 2 to 10 (Adds Seamless link to PCI)

Results:
Cell Type 0 (SCR-No; Seamless-No ) = Causes ~1 second Pause at Cell change but continues
Cell Type 2 (SCR-Yes;Seamless-No ) = Causes ~1 second Pause at Cell change but continues
Cell Type 8 (SCR-No; Seamless-Yes) = Makes good transition then freezes ~1 second into new cell
Cell Type 10 (SCR-Yes;Seamless-Yes) = Makes good transition then freezes ~1 second into new cell

If I start with my original files and compress via Shrink with Layer Break removal OFF or ON, I get NO FREEZE or pauses. (So it can't be the raw data.)

Shrink Results:
Cell Type 2 (SCR-Yes;Seamless-No ) = Plays normally
Cell Type 10 (SCR-Yes;Seamless-Yes) = Plays normally

Something other than the IFO Cell Type is going on here.

[ookzDVD]

Originally posted by ookzDVD
How about the "forever loop" in some case (Mummy Return Region 1)
while use one-pass VBR during the finding the Q for some sort clips
will lead into forever loop while the program can't find the desired Q, the program with try and try to use diferrent value of Q (lots of try... seems to be forever loop) but the size result is the same. :(

I can confirm that the 0.70 PR is still have this "overflow" problem.

Thank you.

[mchipk]

I'm also getting that stutter/pause effects.

I'm using DVD Rebuilder V0.69 and V0.70 running QuEnc (one pass) and Msharpen filter.

So far I've tried with two DVDs: The Galaxy Quest, and Around The World In 80 Days. Both movies came out with stuttering effects on various scenes (found out later it was on the joint of each vob cell).

Some joints are more noticeable than others, for example:

Same scene no angle change(1000 frames of a guy riding a bicycle), and the joint of the cells occurs on frame 450//451, then you'll get a stutter/pause for a split second.

If the joint of the cells occurs in two different scenes, for example:
scene one, cell one(a moving truck)
//joint//
scene two, cell two(a flying bird)
Then you'll just get a slight stutter.

Lets just say, four layers change on one DVD, I don't think so.

Played the movies one two different DVD players(non sony) and also on my PC(raw data/movie on hard drive not burnt), they all came out with the same effects.

I've also tried encoding it with the Special Error Processing (checked), but the result is the same.

I hope there is a fix to this.

If there is a way to remove the cell IDs and keep the whole movie as one big vob file(no cell to join), then maybe there wont be any stutter/pause.

[jdobbs]

What version of QuEnc are you using? It sounds like you are losing frame(s).

Making a single VOB would not have any effect.

[mchipk]

Hi,

I'm using QuEnc v0.59[ALPHA], I also tried with ReJig V0.5e, but same result.