DVD-RB v0.47 still mashes subtitles at half-D1,half size

[htc10825]

The DVD is Charlie's Angels 2, all the subtitles in extras ware destroied. The Movie and BOV is OK.

[Joergen]

All the subtitles at half-d1 work fine for me. Use your standalone!

(unless of course that movie is different in some way or your standalone doesnt want to keep with the standard).

[htc10825]

I've tested it in WinDVD 4.0, PowerDVD 5.0 - neither worked for me, havn't burned it to disc. But it is not important - the DVD must be playable with one of the major DVD-Players...

[Trahald]

Originally posted by htc10825
I've tested it in WinDVD 4.0, PowerDVD 5.0 - neither worked for me, havn't burned it to disc. But it is not important - the DVD must be playable with one of the major DVD-Players...

grab a dvdrw and test. generally full size subs play fine on 1/2 D1 material in standalones. Since this is just a personal backup it only needs to work on the players you own. so test them there.

im sure some standalones exist that may not like it.. but they are the exception rather than the rule

[Joergen]

Yep you're out of luck if you think the software players are standard compliant to every respect.

Standalones just resize the video in the background instead of resizing the whole "window" that is displayed. Thus subtitles and any other bitmap graphics (like settings and information) can be displayed as they are with full resolution content.

[htc10825]

I did take the software players as standard for compliantment. But 2 monthes ago I have made a backup with BIG3, I modified the ecl encoding parameters and the scenarist script, the results worked both for software players(PDVD+WDVD) and standalones.

If neither of the 2 software players can display the half-D1 subs, the backup is not successful for me.

By the way, I encode all the extras always in original form, i.e. keep the stuff in interlaced, no deinterlacing. Perhaps this makes the difference(someone got the working sub but me).

[Joergen]

1) Nobody uses software players for DVD unless they cant fork out 50$ for a decent player, in which case they shouldnt have a PC either :p
2) The extras are very rarely subtitled for other than english anyway.
3) You can choose not to use half-d1 for extras.

DVD-RB doesnt deinterlace anything, it creates the best reproduction of the original structure compared to any method to date. Sure there are some bugs still but they are being ironed out on a daily basis and soon there will be none.

[htc10825]

Software Player or Standalone Player is not the question, I have more then one player at home. I'm very sure also the standalones did not display the subs correctly. I did professional video encoding/presentation since 1995, I know what I said.

1) with BIG3, the scenarist v2.7 multiplexed the half D1 video with the subs correctly, but DVD-RB multiplexed them wrong, so this is a bug of RB. I want to only point out.

2) the subs in extras are very often in non-english distribution of the movies, especielly in germany(more then 95% of the Blokbasters were produced with german subtitled extras)

3)I'd like to say that the RB may handle the progressive frames in half D1 better than the interlaced, because someone get correct results but me.