View Full Version : German low-level press about Jérôme Rota and DivX


Marcel
5th May 2004, 22:48
Today, I bought the german magazine "Audio Video Foto Bild" (concerning the topics at very low level, but, hey, 3.30 EUR, and it came with complete Donnie Brasco on DVD (4:3 letterboxed, german audio only, no specials)).
It contained a "Report" about DivX:

In 1999, the french Jérôme Rota just wanted to lower the size of an advertisement clip his agency shot, so he could burn it on a CD.
But the software player - Windows Media Player - didn't work.The then-25-year-old developed an own compression standard called it DivX and offered it free in the Internet. During one year, it was installed on millions of computers in the whole world. The reason was: DivX reduced the amount of data of a movie DVD a lot, so it could be played from the internet in a relatively short time. DivX became for movies what MP3 has been for music. With help of this method, Hollywood hits were placed in file sharing systems.

But watching them needed a computer. Now, more and more DVD players are capable of playing self burnt CDs and DVDs with DivX video clips on them. A new kind of devices, "Media Receiver", are connected to PCs via a network to display DivX movies on a TV.

Besides DivX, there are other systems that are also based upon the MPEG4 standard, like Xvid, Real Magic, and 3ivx. They allow high compression rates.
Microsofts Windows Media Video is also based on it, but in a more enhanced way, resulting in the need of special players. The producers can take advantage of the same origin: The chips for decoding the standards can be used easily for most of the compression algorithms.

But everytime algorithm used is a special point of interest. even DivX on its own has got a lot of flavors, beginning with "3.11", which it started with and which is still very popular on the internet. The versions starting with "4." and "5." are flavors that are officially developed by Rotas DivX Neteworks. Besides, DivX exists in a "Handhelds" version, used by mobile phones and organizers.

To stop confusion, DivX Networks started a certification program. If a device got the logo of the company, the playback should be possible without any problems. But only with the exact labelling. For example, if the claim for support of 3.11 is missing, movies gotten from internet file sharing systems won't work with this device in most cases.


I hope my translation is not too bad. Those parts that weren't carefully worded I tried to keep as diffuse as they were in german.

As I said, low level.

bond
6th May 2004, 10:28
lol i never read such a nonsense before :D

Kika
6th May 2004, 11:09
*lol*

Look at the title of the Magazine, it says it all... ;)

Don't you know the old german "dictum"? "Bild sprach zuerst mit den Toten"?

Marcel
6th May 2004, 11:40
Originally posted by Kika
*lol*

Look at the title of the Magazine, it says it all... ;)

Don't you know the old german "dictum"? "Bild sprach zuerst mit den Toten"?

Yeah, "Bild was the first to speak with the dead" really charakterizes that magazine.

I'm always trying to hide the cover when I carry that magazine out of the store. Would be very embarrassing if someone would see me with it. (You know, usually I only read a magazine from the other end of the spectrum - marking the other end of the spectrum -, the famous c't...)

The problem is: This issue has been sold about 650,000 times, so hundrets of thousands of people will believe that:

Jérôme invented the compression algorithms and developed DivX 3.11 (we all have to say thanks for bringing DivX to us, but the algorithms were made by Microsoft)
Real Magic is not XVid
The DivX certification logo makes sure that any DivX encoded clip will be played. (QPEL, B-Frames, GMC? And what about AUDIO?)
Windows Media Video is an enhancement of MPEG4 (shouting between the lines, "IT IS BETTER!")
DivX and WMV are so similar, a chip built for one of them could easily be modified to play both of them


:stupid:

Wolfman
13th May 2004, 03:43
Real Magic is not XVid I dont think either person stated that (orig or xltr), it IS mpeg4 (works on my S/A)!
I think the divx levels/profiles are described in a reasonable way .. god forbid anybody should mention gmc, consecutive b frames, trellis encoding, yuy2-rgb conversion .... strangely most ordinary people run a mile (1.3km?) :)

SeeMoreDigital
13th May 2004, 11:39
Originally posted by Wolfman
.... strangely most ordinary people run a mile (1.3km?) :) Hey, Wolfman. 1mile is actually 1.6093km... The devil is in the details... unlike the press report :D


Cheers mate

Marcel
13th May 2004, 12:06
Originally posted by Wolfman
I dont think either person stated that (orig or xltr), it IS mpeg4 (works on my S/A)!

As Real Magic is a mislabeled older XVid-Build by Sigma, it is as MPEG4 compatible as XVid was at that time. I just wanted to mark that the readers of this magazine now might believe that Real Magic and XVid are different codecs.

Originally posted by Wolfman
I think the divx levels/profiles are described in a reasonable way .. god forbid anybody should mention gmc, consecutive b frames, trellis encoding, yuy2-rgb conversion .... strangely most ordinary people run a mile (1.3km?) :) [/B]

If everybody would encode in Home Theater Profile only, we'd have no problems with SAPs...

SeeMoreDigital
13th May 2004, 13:07
Originally posted by Marcel
If everybody would encode in Home Theater Profile only, we'd have no problems with SAPs... Well that's one way of looking at it I suppose!

Personally speaking, I think Sigma confused the whole issue by jumping into bed with DivX. Modifying their chipset into using a weak version of DivX's GMC and 1 b-frame and then borrowing XviD code to create their own codec... but what do I know!

Using 'Profiles' is all well and good but at the end of the day, what is required is for player and codec manufactures to give us more detailed specifications about their equipment, firmware and software.

For example, if a manufacturer says their player can handle GMC. What sort of GMC are they talking about: 1point, 2point, 9point?? And what about b-frames. Can the player cope with just 1 b-frame or multiple b-frames?

The same too should be made more clear by the codec manufacturers. ie: "This codec can only generate: 1point GMC and 1 b-frame"

In short, the better informed the consumer is. The less likely the mistakes. We should not have to learn these products strengths and weaknesses, through 'trial and error'!


Cheers