Pages to this fantastic software

[Rockas]

Hi there
With the permission of the creator of DVD-RB, jdobbs, i've created some simple pages about the fantastic software. Take a look at http://www.dvd-rb.page.vu (it's a little yellow, isn't it?:D ) and use the e-mail link to give me some feedback. It isn't finished yet, it's a beta version :) . If you'd like to translate it to your language I will consider your suggestion and your participation, just step forward.

Hope to hear from you all.

Thanx

Ass. Rockas

[NobbyNobbs]

@Rockas

You should check your pages with other browsers than IE, not everybody likes it, and when a page shows up like this one in Mozilla Firefox, some users will just surf on.

Looks like it should in Opera tough :D

[Rockas]

Sorry as I said this is a beta version and I didn't tested with other browsers than IE... can you give me a download link to Mozilla?

Thanx

[NobbyNobbs]

Here is a link to Firefox: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

as I said after editing the post, in Opera it looks fine:)

[Rockas]

Thank you i'm downloading it and i'll see what I can do about mozilla
Have you tested it in Netscape?

Thank you again for your cooperation.

[insanescape]

You should probably code it so it works in mozilla. If it works in Moz/Netscape it'll probably be fine in IE, but it's not always the case if it's fine in IE it's fine in anything else.

[tomaste]

Good effort, but good god the yellow! I cant look at the page too long without sunglasses. ;)

[Joergen]

Before bothering with mozilla or firefly etc just look at the GLOBAL stats at http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2004/March/browser.php . Although this "scene" has more people with other-than-IE as their browser, its still such a small minority its completely futile to waste time on other browsers, unless of course you want to straighten your code just for the heck of it.

Now, the site is great (the yellow could be tamed though!). DVD-RB deserves all the exposure it can get!

edit: as a pointer, Opera (look at its numbers compared to the hoobla in the media and cry) has learned to render pages like IE, since people didnt care about Operas "Strictly W3C approved" parsing.

[lab-one]

joergen, you took the words out of my mouth. If you look at any webtrends report, IE consistently ranks at +80% and the others split up the difference. Working in web design, there was once a time when site developers designed multiple sites for IE and Netscape. That happens rarely anymore as it is not time or cost effective....

I personally wouldn't bother.

[DocDragon]

Originally posted by lab-one
joergen, you took the words out of my mouth. If you look at any webtrends report, IE consistently ranks at +80% and the others split up the difference. Working in web design, there was once a time when site developers designed multiple sites for IE and Netscape. That happens rarely anymore as it is not time or cost effective....

I personally wouldn't bother.

:D well, i personally try to use as few M$ products as possible, but that's just MY philosophy. i'd rather support those "small" programmers like jdobbs (to whom i already donated twice) than throwing money in a bottomless pit where the commercial end product is just another beta. :rolleyes:

@ rockas:
nice website -- but GEEEE WHIZZZZ is it yelllow!!!! :cool: maybe it's just my LCD screen, but my eyes do hurt! :eek: how about some other subtle colors that don't chase away the visitor or cause color blindness? :p

DD

ps: of course, i'm using mozilla and i'm always getting regular updates from them -- just like with DVD-RB. it's christmas every month :D.

[lab-one]

I don't disagree with you. I'm just stating a fact from a site designers point of view. It's a huge waste of time and usually that time means money when you try to support all of the other browsers out there. Most clients won't pay for it so most of the time cross-browser design doesn't happen. I think MS takes a lot of bashing and personally I like some MS products and think others suck. PERSONALLY, I prefer IE and I think Netscape blows. I've honestly never used Mozilla but I'm off to download it now to see whats up.

[Joergen]

OT, though I'd like to add that I enjoyed spending the weekend cleaning sasser from a dozen pc's at work (they had NAV but it was too slow with its updates AGAIN), so I do hate M$ most of the time. ;)

[lab-one]

I think all of this got OT. :D

[robot1]

Counter now show 142, and I think I'm the third with Mozilla?
Pheraps stats are not always the truth.
Anyway, great site.

[insanescape]

lab-one: it's not a waste of time when mozilla is the most compliant browser. I do all my coding and checking with mozilla. It's only when I'm finished that I check with IE (and usually it's just fine). If you start with IE along the way, you might have written some bad code that IE ignored yet other browsers will show it. IMO it's better to write good code to begin with and use a test browser that is better suited for it.

So in actuality, if you code to mozilla you're actually coding to work with multiple browsers and spending the same amount of time you would if you ignored everything else and did bad things and used IE to test.

[killingspree]

Originally posted by Joergen
Before bothering with mozilla or firefly etc just look at the GLOBAL stats at http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2004/March/browser.php . Although this "scene" has more people with other-than-IE as their browser, its still such a small minority its completely futile to waste time on other browsers, ...

true, but those are global stats and not representing the 'dvd ripping crowd'. browser usage in this forum is quite a bit different... see this poll for details:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64716&highlight=poll+browser

cheers
steVe

[lab-one]

@insanescape

I need to do more with Mozilla apparently. Like I said earlier I've never used it but I have this afternoon. Seems cool.

@killingspree

I would love to see if vBulletin does their own site stats. 82 people replied to that poll...makes you wonder.

[insanescape]

Just use tabbed browsing (control-T for new window). You'll never look back :)

[Rockas]

The problem is that i don't see nothing wrong about the code but i'm still looking, 'cause i hope that the pages work fine for a million or just one guy... at least i'll try...
and people... don't be so technical about everything :)

[Rockas]

Sorry guys as far as i'm concern... mozilla sucks. I don't know why the page don't fit correctly I remade it twice and it just don't work fine... but... i'll give it another try

by the way... ok ok I'll see what i can do about the yellow

[DocDragon]

Originally posted by insanescape
Just use tabbed browsing (control-T for new window). You'll never look back :)

dude, i absolutely agree with ya! just the tabbing feature is worth using this browser. i usually have several doom9 threads open :D. or if you want to go shopping for the best prices, tabbing is of such great help!

unfortunately, it's true that many websites give crappy results on mozilla. eg., i can't go into my mbna credit card account and pay with mozilla -- i have to do that with IE :confused:

anyway, i'm curious what the NEW netscape will bring (based on the mozilla v1.7 engine).

DD

[Rockas]

If the problem is the "tabs" function... why don't you use MyIE2... available on http://www.myie2.com/... it's free and works great... try it and tell me something about it.
the problem is that mozilla don't suport som important features that other browser do...

[najt]

Originally posted by Rockas
Sorry guys as far as i'm concern... mozilla sucks. I don't know why the page don't fit correctly I remade it twice and it just don't work fine... but... i'll give it another try


No, it's just that your web designing and html coding sucks. First of all, ditch the frames. ditch the yellow color. use css for layout. ditch the flash logo for gods sake. ditch the counter. learn about typography. learn about color theory. learn about page layout techniques. learn about usability and accessibility. learn about everything. look at other web pages (http://www.coolhomepages.com/). study their layout. then remake this website.

[najt]

Originally posted by Rockas
the problem is that mozilla don't suport som important features that other browser do...

And those features are... ? Mozilla supports every important feature, if something is missing there is an extension for it. It's standard compliant and it's fast which can't be said for Internet Explorer.

[Rockas]

Originally posted by najt
No, it's just that your web designing and html coding sucks. First of all, ditch the frames. ditch the yellow color. use css for layout. ditch the flash logo for gods sake. ditch the counter. learn about typography. learn about color theory. learn about page layout techniques. learn about usability and accessibility. learn about everything. look at other web pages (http://www.coolhomepages.com/). study their layout. then remake this website.

Thank you for your opinion...

With so much to learn i won't get any time to work... and i'll die with ungry...
I'm using the time that i can to do this... as I said on my first post this is a "beta" version but i've used four diferent browsers and mozilla is the only one that don't displays the page correctly... sorry man... c'est la vie

i'm looking forward to see your croatian page about this program or another that displays correctly on mozilla

[lighty]

@Rockas

First of all you must understand that I wrote this because my pupils dilated so fast when looking at that psychodelic yellow colour of yours that it literaly hurt my eyes. Try drawing something in any CAD program in the low-light environment and then switch to your page... :scared:

LOSE THE YELLOW COLOUR!!! :angry:

P.S.
NHF but--you also forgot to put some flash animation countdown with a warning for a people to put on sunglases and apply some high factor sunscreen to avoid any sunburns. Now I know how all those scientists must have felt at nuclear bomb test sites just prior to detonation. :D

[jhmac]

WOW!!! Rockas has done nothing wrong. What is wrong with you guys? He has just tried to put together a site to help out in the distibution of some of these great freeware programs and you guys have done nothing but criticize and flame him, for his efforts. If you don't like the site don't visit it, JEEZ what a bunch of whiners!

[DocDragon]

Originally posted by najt
No, it's just that your web designing and html coding sucks. First of all, ditch the frames. ditch the yellow color. use css for layout. ditch the flash logo for gods sake. ditch the counter. learn about typography. learn about color theory. learn about page layout techniques. learn about usability and accessibility. learn about everything. look at other web pages (http://www.coolhomepages.com/). study their layout. then remake this website.

:scared:

najt, rockas volunteered his time to honor and promot jdobbs work and is asking us how to improve his work (clearly stated as beta)! your tone is far from "constructive" or "respectful" or even "pedagogic" -- not to say "rude" or "arrogant."

it seems though that everyone agrees that the "nuclear" yellow color isn't the way to go -- but that's a learning process for rockas, and i'm glad he's taking criticism well.

something for you:
"it's the tone that makes the music" or
"c'est le ton qui fait la musique" or
"der ton macht die musik" etc. maybe, there's a language that you understand as well.

DD

ps: "If you are not criticized, you may not be doing much." (Donald H. Rumsfield, Secretary of Defense)

[lab-one]

@rockas

Nothing I said was aimed at you. Hopefully none of it was taken that way. I was stating that if anything, you don't need to waste a lot of time trying to develop a site that meets all browsers needs. Because *cough*most everyone*cough* uses IE.

[brett]

Rockas:

Let's look at the 6th line of your index.html:

<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 6.0">

FrontPage is awful. The HTML it makes is so non-compliant that it has been speculated more than once that it deliberately tries to break other browsers. I'm not an anti-Microsoft guy, but there's no excuse for using FrontPage. Notepad is actually easier than FrontPage once you learn what you're doing.

Just try validating your HTML at http://validator.w3.org/ and you'll see how screwed up FrontPage makes things.

I once made the same site in FrontPage, Dreamweaver and Notepad. The FrontPage version didn't work at all in non-IE browsers, it crashed all Netscape brosers, and it actually completely froze Macs running OS9. The Dreamweaver and Notepad versions worked fine in any browser.

FrontPage also makes the HTML so sloppy and bloated that it's nearly impossible to fix. Looking again at your site, your index.html is 15 KB. That might not sound big, but it doesn't have any content to speak of, it's just the frame.

I certainly can't agree with those suggesting that you not bother with anything except trying to get your page to work in IE. If you look at the statistics, 26.82% of your visistors are using Mozilla. And Firebird isn't just a nerd niche product. I build a lot of machines, and I give everybody IE6 SP1 and Firefox, and most of them end up using Firefox the majority of the time. Regardless, if you have any legitimate aspirations for doing HTML coding, you should learn how HTML works. If you did that, the point would be moot, because correctly coded HTML works in Mozilla.

Back to the specific issues with your site. Frames are difficult to do correctly, and more difficult to keep from being obnoxious. Your frames are overly complex. Your actual site is http://bestmovies.no.sapo.pt/, but you're giving the URL as http://www.dvd-rb.page.vu/ which is then masked by a frame.

The actual content of your site is so nested you couldn't really hope to debug it. Look at the text of your guide. It is a paragraph inside a table inside a division inside a document inside a frame inside a paragraph inside a table inside a frame inside a document inside a frame. That's unreasonble.

The quick way to make it work in Mozilla would be to find this section in your index.html:


<!-- END DO NOT MODIFY -->
</p></td><td valign="top" height="100%" width="90%" colspan="2">
<!-- MSCellType="ContentBody" -->
<p align="left" style="text-indent: 0mm; margin-top: 0pt;
margin-bottom: 0pt;">
<iframe name="I1" height="100%" width="100%"
src="index_files/News.htm"
style="border-style: solid; border-width: 0pt;" border="0"
frameborder="0" marginwidth="10" marginheight="25"
target="_self">
Your browser does not support inline frames or is currently
configured not to display inline frames.
</iframe></p></td>


...and simply remove the unnecessary paragraph tag:


<!-- END DO NOT MODIFY -->
</p></td><td valign="top" height="100%" width="90%" colspan="2">
<!-- MSCellType="ContentBody" -->
<iframe name="I1" height="100%" width="100%"
src="index_files/News.htm" style="border-style: solid;
border-width: 0pt;" border="0" frameborder="0"
marginwidth="10" marginheight="25" target="_self">
Your browser does not support inline frames or is currently
configured not to display inline frames.
</iframe></td>


Continuing to use FrontPage, though, just isn't a good idea. You don't need a big flashy site if you don't want to learn HTML. In 30 minutes you could learn enough to make that whole site in Notepad. Is it really necessary to have tons of rollover buttons and a Shockwave logo?

[Rockas]

Thank you alll
my mistake was to try to make the pages as quickly as I could... i could make them on Dreamweaver... but I didn't... sorry.
Any way i'm remaking the pages... take a look to what will be the index (http://bestmovies.no.sapo.pt/INDEX2.htm) (please... this is not even a beta version) it's just a test so that you all great people give me some feedback.

[lighty]

Originally posted by jhmac
WOW!!! Rockas has done nothing wrong. What is wrong with you guys?

I am aware of that and I do apreciate his effort... but that colour literaly hurt my eyes to the threshold of pain. So, you tell me- should I just shut up and simply keep sunglases next to the computer everytime I want to visit his page? :rolleyes:

[Rockas]

Originally posted by lighty
I am aware of that and I do apreciate his effort... but that colour literaly hurt my eyes to the threshold of pain. So, you tell me- should I just shut up and simply keep sunglases next to the computer everytime I want to visit his page? :rolleyes:


Please try the link on my previous post... it's only a test though.
Thank you.


by the way

Thank you brett with your suggestion I think i've solved the problem with mozilla... once again thank you very much. for people like you it is worth all the work of freedom...

[the-warriners]

The new style looks nice although one good thing about the old one was it was easy to see the news. You could scroll a nice big window up and down and see it all.
Now you have the news in an auto scrolling box which is very thin and takes a long time to get through the items.

I think you need to have a 'news' link on the index that takes you to a page displaying the news in a format where we can just scroll it up and down, more like to doom9 home page.

Then every week/month just archive the page and start again so it doesnt get too big.

HTH

[Rockas]

Thank you I'll do it as you said

[the-warriners]

Also, for completeness you should add eclCCE, ecl optimiser and RB-OPT links to your downloads page.

[lighty]

Originally posted by Rockas
Please try the link on my previous post... it's only a test though.
Thank you.

Uhhh, what a relief for my poor eyes. Thank you!

[Doom9]

the yellow is quite extreme imho. And as for browsers, it's actually not so much a stretch to make it compatible with alternative browsers.. if you start making a page using standard elements, rather than Microsoft's proprietary ones, you can still get something very impressive, and won't have to adapt your site for different browsers. It might not be pixel exact, but close enough.

BTW, why does every program need a homepage? I kinda like DVD-RB's homebase being this forum.. but of course that has ulterior motives (it makes more people aware of my site and this forum and sends an important message that this forum is the place to be).

[Rockas]

Hi there!
I know that the content is not complete yet (portuguese version missing, and unfinished guides) but the graphical view seems to be better (it should be after all the feeback you gave me. Please let me know about the "upgrade". I think it works fine with all browsers... I hope.

[lab-one]

It looks cool rockas. Good job. Works with Mozilla as well.

[DocDragon]

Originally posted by Rockas
Hi there!
I know that the content is not complete yet (portuguese version missing, and unfinished guides) but the graphical view seems to be better (it should be after all the feeback you gave me. Please let me know about the "upgrade". I think it works fine with all browsers... I hope.

oooooh, rockas, MUCH MUCH better!!! it looks very professional, and sooo much more soothening to the eyes! that's the way to go ;).

DD

[Rockas]

thank you all... at this time the portuguese section is working too... now i'll increase the contents...

one more time... thanx

[jdobbs]

@Rockas

Thanks again for this great page!

[Rockas]

The honour is mine... just keep up the good work