What new things would you like to see in big3

[Trahald]

Basically this is a poll to see what you would like added to big 3. although im not guarantying that everything suggested will be done, at least this will give us some ideas at new directions. I ask that you try to refrain from offering suggestions 'because so-and-so product does it' Although you can make the sugguestion, but just without mentioning the other product. (Although i can understand if mentioning the other product is needed understand the request)

Now basically BIG 3 is an advanced method of DVD backup. Although it can be used by novices as well. the backup method is intended to provide full input into the process. while it can be 'almost' one click in nature. the method is not intended for butchering (removal of some or all extras) although, it is so free form and open that it can be done. keep this in mind with your suggestions. and keep it clean.

[EonBlue]

I don't know if this is possible with DIF4U, but I'd like it if there was a way to automate setting half-D1 for extras. Obviously it would help if this was also possible for the ScenAid .scp file so you wouldn't have to go back and change the res for each VTS you resized.

[Chubmeister]

Although this is not exactly 'software' related, I would like to see a list (and this is the catch...) that shows the current version of all the hidden software that is used within the big 3.

I have a few pcs and seem to do fresh installs fairly often, of course I have to install all the parts to get the big three to run.

To clarify, DOIF4U installs DVDdecryptor 3.1.8.0, but it knows that I have already installed 3.2.1.0 etc.

This list could let us know that DOIF4U 1.4.7 works with...whatever other software versions, as tested/used by the developers.

This could even extend to those bits of software that the big three don't install but are required to use, eg, Daemon Tools to mount an image, ASPI layer (don't even know if I need this anymore, just do it as a matter or course now). Now I know there are many versions of CCE so that one in particular may have to be a bit more general, but many of the others can be very specific, ie. ifoupdate, avisynth etc.

If you write down a list of all the things you need to install, its pretty big, its this list I would like to see, and see it maintained.

The reason for this? Well, I get more errors now using the recent versions than I did way back when there used to be more manual control. I often think these errors are more likely down to the versions of software that I have rather than problems with the programs themselves. Uninstalling/installing new versions over old ones etc, you know what I mean, can lead to unstable situations.

OK, I've babbled on too much, you get the picture, I appreciate its a big job. Perhaps the half dozen developers could sticky a post that lists their current stable software versions (for everything) and edit that whenever they can.

I think this would help the newer uses who haven't had to use any manual methods.

Cheers ears

PS as an incentive! I think more people would donate if they knew that the latest versions of the big 3 were stable if using listed software versions. I bet no two users on this forum have exactly the same software installed.

Another thought, perhaps someone could 'package' the big 3 together in one download with all the software (apart from cce and scenarist, the bought stuff of course).

PPS include NuMENU4U (big 4?)

[fourtyfour]

servus...

What I want to see within this tools:

-Full automatic process but stopable if I want to stop (especially on start of NuMenu4U). Like, If I want to change some menu languages, a "choose language xyz button" would be helpful.
Same with .6 Scenaid. If I want to change something in the structure of a movie, the process should be stopable before generating the movie.

This stops should be clickable in the DIF4U Pre-prosessing mode
(setting with flags (stop for language choice before NuMEnu4U run; stop before generating movie in Scenarist)


- using all the same version of tools (esp. ECLCCE and DVD2Avi; maybe in one big3 subfolder)

- A list of recommended versions would be very useful.
For developers as well as for users. I think it minimize the possibility of bugs.

[Angelus]

Coming from the DivX and GK arena, I don't know too much about DVD encoding but would an option to encode the credits at a lower bitrate be a worthwhile feature? I'm sure there's a way to do this manually, but I dont think I could do it and reconfigure the bitrate for the main movie.

[DDogg]

re: "support for single pass vbr (d2sroba like)"

Fyi, this should be a no brainer. tylo has rolled all the D2SRoBa functions into a very small 'bolt-in' driven by a simple commandline from any program that uses a multipass ecl, example, "FastCCE -ecl YourMultipass.ecl". I don't know when he is going to release it publicly, except I expect it fairly soon.

The test version I saw was solid as a rock and had the conditional 2nd pass on user specified X% undersize. Also the conditional second pass on slight oversize can be done with CCE, or using rejig. Transcoding out a 1-3% oversize does not seem to cause any quality problems. Anyway, its just an option if the concept offends you :)

[Trahald]

Originally posted by DDogg
re: "support for single pass vbr (d2sroba like)"

Fyi, this should be a no brainer. tylo has rolled all the D2SRoBa functions into a very small 'bolt-in' driven by a simple commandline from any program that uses a multipass ecl, example, "FastCCE -ecl YourMultipass.ecl". I don't know when he is going to release it publicly, except I expect it fairly soon.

The test version I saw was solid as a rock and had the conditional 2nd pass on user specified X% undersize. Also the conditional second pass on slight oversize can be done with CCE, or using rejig. Transcoding out a 1-3% oversize does not seem to cause any quality problems. Anyway, its just an option if the concept offends you :)

great news.. i'll be first in line! :) biggest concern is not going oversize..

I don't know if this is possible with DIF4U, but I'd like it if there was a way to automate setting half-D1 for extras. Obviously it would help if this was also possible for the ScenAid .scp file so you wouldn't have to go back and change the res for each VTS you resized.

yes.. thats one that i'd appreciate as well. i think it may be too late to make it into scenaid 0906 but im lobbying for 0907

@all
thanx for the suggestions and keep them comming. we may not reply to all the requests but it will be good to have them on record to see what people are looking for. Eyes is very busy lately but he is continuing development on doitfast4u and implementing new ideas into it. bbwoof is working on batchcce and scenaid development is going strong as well.

[Matthew]

Originally posted by Angelus
Coming from the DivX and GK arena, I don't know too much about DVD encoding but would an option to encode the credits at a lower bitrate be a worthwhile feature? I'm sure there's a way to do this manually, but I dont think I could do it and reconfigure the bitrate for the main movie.

The feature is built into EclCCE so yes it's possible :)

[Angelus]

Originally posted by Matthew
The feature is built into EclCCE so yes it's possible

Yeah I saw that in the PDF that came with the newest EclCCE. I'm not completely sure how I would use that with the whole Big 3 method though, and then have to figure out the new bitrate for the main movie part. I'm not exactly how much space it would save anyway (encoding credits separately) since encoding with DivX with a total filesize of 700 mb, the credits would have a greater impact on the overall size/quality of the rest of the movie. I'm not sure if that's the case with DVD backups where the space is over 4 gigs.

[Matthew]

You don't have to recalculate bitrate, CCE reallocates the bitrate to the movie proper.

If there are decent sized extras etc which reduce the average bitrate for the main movie then the credits tweak might be especially useful.

[Wensleydale]

As a PAL-user I wish there was a way around having to stop at the DoCCCE/BatchCCEWS part in order to adjust the progressive/interlaced settings. On 99% of my backups the main movie is progressive and the extras are interlaced.