few quations to batchCCEWS

[Morpheus9]

ok so first of all im using batch 0.9.1.3.

1: Job name: what does the BFF or TFF means??"field- order" whats that?
2: My Job name: VTS_05_P01.I-BFF.16~9_1
the source video is Interlaced??thats correct??
due to the guide i have to deinterlace the picture as my video is Interlaced.(can not scout any interlacing artifacts...anyway)

can someone explain me the 2nd option in the guide (for deinterlacing the picture)
when im correct i should "alternate scen" and uncheck "top field first"(due to BFF) and check "2:3 pulldown". Is that correct??

thx in advance

[D3s7]

BFF / TFF = bottom field first / top field first. For a more detailed description of these I recommend checking out the CCE FAQ at http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=53771 and search for bff/tff in there.

Also, the field order is flipped in the filenames... if it shows BFF then the material is actually TFF.. if it shows TFF, it's actually BFF

yoru source may be interlaced but not necissarily.... only sure fire thing (from the same guide) is : Q10: Always uncheck "Upper Field First" unless your video is interlaced AND bottom field first. Progressive material is always top field first.


As a general rule, I wouldn't worry about changing the settings in BatchCCE if you demuxed with DoItFast4u. generally speaking it's diagnosis is correct although it periodically is incorrect for PAL material (harder to diagnose)

[Mac Sidewinder]

You don't have to deinterlace. If you are going to watch the video on a tv or are using a video player on your computer that deinterlaces on the fly. Personally, I don't deinterlace, I keep the video same as the source.

Mac

[D3s7]

Only thing about interlaced material to consider -vs- progressive is interlaced takes more bits (resulting in lower max bitrate)

[Morpheus9]

for an example some stuff...hope you can explain it to me, as i really dont know how to deal with it.

i have now Kill Bill vol1 PAL on my HDD and DoIt4U have created 5 jobs for me.
1: VTS_01_P1_I_...
2: VTS_02_P1_P_...
3: VTS_02_P2_P...
4: VTS_02_P3_P...
5: VTS_03_P1_P...
ok and now my problem...
as batch named the jobs VTS_01 should be interlaced and the rest progressive.


BUT
when i take a closer look an the hole thinkg it looks different to me.
VTS is progressive
and all other VTS are interlaced as i can detect those artifacts.
:confused:
you can guess im confused now...

depending to if its BFF or TFF i should configure the "source" settings...but i have no idea how as batch says it _P.

ok...should i care ??or not?? is it ok if i just forget about those settings and reencode as batch have configured it.
THX

[D3s7]

If I read this correctly your suggesting that the naming of the files is reversed? The "I" should be "P" and the "P"'s should be "I"'s?

Check and see if you have the "Stream diagnosis" enabled in DoItFast4U! (I believe for PAL people recommended method is Header Flags)

I know that this diagnosis is harder for PAL then NTSC - Quoted from the DoItFast4u! userguide: "Note: There is still no accurate way to determine if a PAL video is interlaced or progressive, however my consulting experts (ie. veteran Doom9-ers) agree that the correct way to re-encode PAL is to encode the video with the same flags that are on the original DVD, which both methods above will help you to determine. "

If you do have that enabled, I'd proceed as normal... if it looks goofy then investigate farther. I think you'll find that you can't always judge things correctly from a PC monitor and that they look a lot different on a TV

[Morpheus9]

hmmm.
in "stream diagnosis" header flags is checked
AND
invert field order in filenames =>dhould i uncheck it?
supress aspect ratio in subtitle ilenames => unchecked

@D3s7 :thanks:

[jel]

@ morpheus 9
invert field order in filenames =>dhould i uncheck it? depends on your version of cce.
if i understand the results from Trahalds testing:
cce 2.5 - have it checked
cce 2.66 - do not have it checked
cce 2.67 - have it checked
supress aspect ratio in subtitle ilenames => unchecked
if you are using RA then i personally would have it checked. it is my understanding that it makes no difference to Scenaid either way.

[Morpheus9]

using CCE 2.67 so ll let it checked.

as D3s7 mentioned it looks to me as the job names are reversed but i have not a clue why.
ll try to finish encoding and check results. If it looks fine and do not cause any problems there is no need for headache
:D

[jel]

i backed-up the r4 PAL edition of this movie only last week, and didnt notice any problems - i will dig the original out of storage and have a look to see what the filenames are tonight.
my settings in DOCCE4U were:
vts01 - progressive checked (everything else unchecked)
vts02,vts03, vts04 - alternate checked (everything else unchecked) - i did not de-interlace the extras

[Morpheus9]

Originally posted by jel
i backed-up the r4 PAL edition of this movie only last week, and didnt notice any problems - i will dig the original out of storage and have a look to see what the filenames are tonight.
my settings in DOCCE4U were:
vts01 - progressive checked (everything else unchecked)
vts02,vts03, vts04 - alternate checked (everything else unchecked) - i did not de-interlace the extras
ok give it a try
THX

[jel]

hmmm...definitely something weird there.
i checked again with the original and DIF4U named all files:
VTS__0*_P01.I-BFF....
which is pretty standard for PAL sources, so not really sure why your extras are labelled progressive :confused:
anyway, just try the settings i mentioned above and see how you go.
i would definitely recommend testing on a RW disc in your standalone/t.v. before commiting to a non-rewritable disc to make sure that the encoding/field order is correct.

[Morpheus9]

i have tested something.
as kill bill cofused me a little bit i have ripped Eight_Legged_Freaks and doItFast4U created everything correct.
I mean i have 4 jobs. 2progressive (main movie WB logo) and 2 interlaced some extras...and it seams to be correct as mentioned.
so its def the previous disk making troubles.
now i ll try the settings mentioned by you and let you know.

[Morpheus9]

Originally posted by jel
anyway, just try the settings i mentioned above and see how you go.
i
backup is done and i have take a look on it.
Mainmovie looks good but extras are ugly.
they are blured and flicker(hmmm...dont know if it is the right word)
any idea??

[jel]

any idea??
1. incorrect field order? you can use restream by shh to change the field order of the encoded stream so that you do not have to re-encode.
2. did you de-interlace the extras? if you did (sorry forgot to ask) then you should have had progressive checked in DoCCE4U.
hth
j

[Morpheus9]

Originally posted by jel
1. incorrect field order? you can use restream by shh to change the field order of the encoded stream so that you do not have to re-encode.
2. did you de-interlace the extras? if you did (sorry forgot to ask) then you should have had progressive checked in DoCCE4U.
hth
j
what is shh??
no i have not de interlace extras, should i??

[jel]

not what, who:
shh's homepage of MPEG-tools (http://www.sysh.net/) no i have not de interlace extras, should i?? choice is up to you but personally i do not, therefore i select 'alternate scan' when encoding interlaced extras.

[Morpheus9]

can you explain me something.
befor starting with reencoding DoItFast4U created 3 files.
-.avs (avisynth file)
-.d2v (what is that?)
-.M2V (??)

and after encoding is done there are
-.ecl
-.mpv
-.vaf
what is the output file of CCE??
and which 1 ll be used in the final dvd??


i have reencoded an other files (eight legged freaks) and the extras dont look good too.
They are I_BFF=> i have unchecked everything but alternate scan.
Is that ok?? or am i doing something wrong??

[Morpheus9]

Originally posted by Morpheus9
can you explain me something.
befor starting with reencoding DoItFast4U created 3 files.
-.avs (avisynth file)
-.d2v (what is that?)
-.M2V (??)

and after encoding is done there are
-.ecl
-.mpv
-.vaf
what is the output file of CCE??
and which 1 ll be used in the final dvd??

ok i have read in the manual that mpv is the fideo file(outputfile)
and vaf is the video information file.
but what info are stored in that file => is it important for me?

[jel]

when in doubt, first step should always be - read the sticky's and FAQ and use the search button! please, for the sake of everyones sanity :rolleyes:
in the sticky thread located in this forum: Big 3 Tools: Guides and FAQs (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74867), i found this answer by Trahald that lists the files created : Descriptions of the items in your work directory (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74233#post474886)
and in the 'cce forum' i found this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75162) where RB explains what a .vaf file is....and no you dont need to touch it,
i have reencoded an other files (eight legged freaks) and the extras dont look good too. please explain how they 'dont look good'.?
how are you testing them? -re-encoded extras will always look worse for wear on a tft computer monitor, but are usually fine on a TV.
what bit-rate are you using? i usually find that if i dont de-interlace extras i usually have to bump up the bitrate to maintain quality.

[Morpheus9]

sorry for that!!
:thanks:
for those links.
I have a question a little bit off topic but i need (or want ) to know.
As far as i have registerd the roba method is a one pass vbr methode, isnt it??
can i improve this one pass by eding futher passes?? multipass VBR??
or isnt that that easy??
im searching on the boards but im not familiar with that stuff so most of discussions in CCE forum is like chinese to me.