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i never sleep
10th April 2004, 23:46
I am having the same problem that others have reported with the last bin file of SVCD being too large too burn, far too large for overburn. In this case the movie is 147 minutes, and the third bin file is hosed...sizes are 805/805/843 MB. I am using TMPGenc 2.520.54.163 and set the rate control to AUTOMATIC VARIABLE BITRATE (CQ_VBR). I am including the DVD2SVCD log file for inspection and hopeful mystical advice.

WNASPI32.DLL 4.71.1.0
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- 4/8/2004 1:39:11 AM
- DVD to SVCD Conversion
- DVD2SVCD ver. 1.2.1 build 3
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Initializing
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_0.IFO
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_1.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_2.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_3.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_4.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_5.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_6.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_7.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_8.vob
Initializing finished.

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- 4/8/2004 1:39:15 AM
- Free on drive C: 62328.80 mb
- Internal rip
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Preparing vobfiles to be ripped:
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_1.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_2.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_3.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_4.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_5.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_6.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_7.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_8.vob

Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_1.vob
Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_2.vob
Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_3.vob
Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_4.vob
Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_5.vob
Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_6.vob
Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_7.vob
Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_07_8.vob
Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file
Force Film activated!
Framerate: 23976
Ripping finished. Speed: 6065

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- 4/8/2004 2:00:09 AM
- DVD2AVI
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Creating DVD2AVI INI file:
- C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.INI

Variable settings:
iDCT_Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX

Executing DVD2AVI.
Executing DVD2AVI. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe" -CS=2 -YR=1 -EXIT -OF=[C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\DVD2AVI_Project_file] -IF=[C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_07_1.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_07_2.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_07_3.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_07_4.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_07_5.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_07_6.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_07_7.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_07_8.vob]
Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file
Force Film activated!
Framerate: 23976
DVD2AVI processing done.

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- 4/8/2004 2:05:26 AM
- Free on drive C: 54911.93 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Found AC3 stream id: 0x80
Filename: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Audio1 delay: 0 ms
Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file
Force Film activated!
Framerate: 23976
Audio extraction finished.

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- 4/8/2004 2:11:35 AM
- Free on drive C: 54440.21 mb
- AUDIO conversion
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Encoding Audio. Filename: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -C 0db -S 0db -c normal -s surround -g max ) -2lame( -e -b 128 -m s )
Audio conversion of C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 finished.

Audio conversion finished.

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- 4/8/2004 2:27:22 AM
- Free on drive C: 54305.60 mb
- Video Encoding using TMPGEnc
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- Encoding Test Clip C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Downloads\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163-Free\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 2309784850 (2255649kb) Predicted: 1637537916 (1599158kb) Using CQ Value: 25.00
Calculated next CQ Value: 32.28
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Downloads\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163-Free\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 2309784850 (2255649kb) Predicted: 2049445005 (2001411kb) Using CQ Value: 32.28
Calculated next CQ Value: 35.91
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Downloads\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163-Free\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 2309784850 (2255649kb) Predicted: 2199983289 (2148421kb) Using CQ Value: 35.91
Calculated next CQ Value: 36.51
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Downloads\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163-Free\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 2309784850 (2255649kb) Predicted: 2223662411 (2171545kb) Using CQ Value: 36.51
Calculated next CQ Value: 37.11
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Downloads\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163-Free\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 2309784850 (2255649kb) Predicted: 2247157605 (2194490kb) Using CQ Value: 37.11
Calculated next CQ Value: 37.41
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Downloads\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163-Free\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 2309784850 (2255649kb) Predicted: 2258770290 (2205830kb) Using CQ Value: 37.41
Calculated next CQ Value: 37.71
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Downloads\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163-Free\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 2309784850 (2255649kb) Predicted: 2270298588 (2217088kb) Using CQ Value: 37.71
Calculated next CQ Value: 38.01
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Downloads\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163-Free\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 2309784850 (2255649kb) Predicted: 2281793734 (2228314kb) Using CQ Value: 38.01
Calculated next CQ Value: 38.31
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Downloads\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163-Free\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 2309784850 (2255649kb) Predicted: 2293218640 (2239471kb) Using CQ Value: 38.31
Final CQ Value: 38.31
- Encoding C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file.avs
StreamSectors: 2501804592
AudioSectors: 143195584
VideoPAPO: 36536112
ScanOffsetBytes: 190348
SeqAligningBytes: 12097686
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 12
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 1.00
PureMPEGStream: 2309784850.20
Seconds: 8830.24
CalcMPEGStream: 2309784850.20
Frames: 211498
CDSize: 800.00
Number of CDs: 3
Cut point 795.00
Using CQ Value: 38.28
Aspect Ratio: 16:9 (borders added, encoded as 4:3)

---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\Mpeg2dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL")
mpeg2source("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\DVD2AV~2.D2V")
BicubicResize(480,360,0.0,0.6)
AddBorders(0,60,0,60)
ConvertToRGB()
----AVS End----

Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Downloads\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163\TMPGEnc-2.520.54.163-Free\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

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- 4/8/2004 10:18:55 AM
- Free on drive C: 52060.28 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 4/8/2004 10:18:58 AM
- Free on drive C: 52060.27 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 4/8/2004 10:19:00 AM
- Free on drive C: 52060.27 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 4/8/2004 10:19:03 AM
- Free on drive C: 52060.27 mb
- Multiplexing and cutting
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
Offset in Seconds: 2
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Length of C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
2822 Seconds
Offset in Seconds: 2824
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Length of C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
2763 Seconds
Offset in Seconds: 5587
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Multiplexing and cutting finished.

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- 4/8/2004 10:41:08 AM
- Free on drive C: 49638.89 mb
- Determining length of audio
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Analyzing: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
2824.416 seconds C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
Analyzing: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
2765.712 seconds C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
Analyzing: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File02.mpg
3234.552 seconds C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\bbMPEG_Muxed_File02.mpg
Analyzing finished.

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- 4/8/2004 10:43:40 AM
- Free on drive C: 49638.89 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 1

CD image #1: CD_Image_File_CD1.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD1.cue" --bin-file="C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD1.bin" "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VCDXBU~1.XML"
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- 4/8/2004 10:47:18 AM
- Free on drive C: 48831.50 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 1

CD image #2: CD_Image_File_CD2.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD2.cue" --bin-file="C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD2.bin" "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VCDXBU~2.XML"
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- 4/8/2004 10:51:13 AM
- Free on drive C: 48024.68 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 1

CD image #3: CD_Image_File_CD3.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD3.cue" --bin-file="C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\CD_Image_File_CD3.bin" "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VCDXBU~3.XML"
Image creation finished.

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- 4/8/2004 10:57:01 AM
- Free on drive C: 47165.17 mb
- Conversion done!
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As a side note, I later tried the same movie using 2-pass VBR, and the third file was 818MB. I have done everything but hit the computer with a rubber chicken. Can anyone shed any light on this issue? Thanks!
ammck55
17th April 2004, 23:10
Have you seen this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72526&highlight=too+large)? I believe the gist of the suggested fix lies in the CD sizes you've set as defaults under the Bitrate tab. Or rather, the case may be that you've left the default sizes in place, which if IRC, are 740.

Abond's last post to this thread is really the heart of it. All in all, it's an interesting discussion. Good luck!

ammck55
i never sleep
18th April 2004, 15:16
I use 800MB CDs, so I have the CD sizes set to 800. I have read all of the threads pertaining to this issue, to no avail, which is why I posted a new message on the subject. It seems that the crux of the problem is the way that TMPGenc deals with variable vs. constant bit rates, and some inherent inaccuracies. I had done *everything* that earlier threads suggested, which means that I had done more than 10 iterations of the full rip process trying to get one good one. It seems that the suggestions in earlier threads work with 2-CD flicks (they fixed my problems after I got it down), but there's some new issue with 3-CD flicks.

Someone wants to borrow this movie from me, and I don't let any movie out of my sight until I know that I have a good "insurance" copy. They get upset, but I don't have to worry about where I can find another copy should it not come back.