NuMenu4u Scenarist Version

[Zeul]

After what seems like weeks of heavy testing the latest incarnation of this project is now available for beta testing.

Note: at the present time only CCE 2.6+ is supported. Do not use 2.5
To use rejig copy into install dir.

Report bugs and suggestions to this post please, so that we can all benefit.

http://numenu4u.users.btopenworld.com/setup.exe

Thanks to the collaboration of D3s7 the scenarist control appears to be working well, an import text file will be created in the project folder. This is to assist in import fixing.

There has been a great deal of difficulty in getting the button contrast as close to the original as possible. Again offer your suggestions.

You will see from the import that the PGC's are recreated exactly in the Scenario, including all command structures. This is to assist in command bug fixing (there is no other way for me to tell that the button commands have been recreated exactly). You should find as near as possible that the menues will play in the scenario.

My main concern at this time is the actual button creation. Scenarist is very picky, and if the cell boundaries are off by even 1 frame the buttons may not actually be created in the output VOB, even though they are in the scenario. Another Scenarist quirk!

I have tested this with DIF4U and there seems to be no problems.

Zeul

[D3s7]

I would like to be the first to say GREAT JOB!!

I know I've tested on 2 menu's so far that had been problems with other builds (Abyss SE and Xmen-2) and both work perfectly now.

Just for everyone elses knowledge as well... Rejig works but don't expect as much of a size savings as you'll get w/ CCE.

So far I've done most my menus at about 1400 w/ 4-5 passes and they look great.

[jel]

i would also like to offer my congratulations!

all i can say is ...WOW!

the fact that you even attempted to reconfigure NUMenu4U to utilise Scenarist is a feat worthy of admiration. to actually pull it off ... well, i hope that you finally receive some due 'reward' for your effort.

and to all the developers of these fantastic programs that comprise 'the big 3' my deepest respect, for once again proving that, like Elvis, you are far from dead .... you had merely left the building to rewrite some code :D

rock on

j

[Trahald]

Originally posted by jel
all i can say is ...WOW!

rock on


i second that

[Eyes`Only]

You know, I just talked with Elvis (he hangs out with us while we write code) and he wasn't too keen on being lumped in with the Big3 programmers, but due to fact that Big3 is making it big in Memphis, he says he can overlook it...

Great job, Zeul! Can't wait to try Finding Nemo again and see the difference!

[jel]

hey zuel,
received a "runtime error 13, type mismatch" on a menu during script writing/importing.
i will email you the log and .scp file if you like.
cheers
j

[influenza]

Running it at the moment on a dvd with a 1GB viedo_ts.von and 660 MB main menu. So I'm curious about the results (this is a title which the old numenu couldn't handle, so that will be interesting).

I can't help but noticing that although I set the bitrate to be 2100, cce runs at an average of 1000 :confused:

But Zeul: very nice work so far, two tumbs up here.

ps: I wonder who's more pleased that it's reaching the final stage your wife or us :D

[wmansir]

I received an error message:

Scenarist Version has encountered an error:
AppName: numenu4u.exe AppVer: 1.4.0.2 ModName: kernel32.dll
ModVer: 5.1.2600.1106 Offset: 00013887

This was at some point near the end of the process I believe because the new menu VOB was constructed in the VIDEO_TS folder. I checked the output and it appears to be mostly constructed or even completely done, but some of the buttons are off (point to wrong sub-menu). I wasn't at the PC so I can't tell you exactly when it failed.

I also noticed from the Scenarist import log that it appears NuMenu is using version 3.0 (I also have 2.7 installed) I know it has problems importing scripts so I will remove it and try again with 2.7.

[influenza]

ok here we go:

Error VTS "VTS_1" title does not have any tracks.
Error "Cell: "VTS_1_Title_1_PGC_1_PG_1_"PGC:<VTS_1_Title_1_PGC_1> (Title:<VTS_1_Title_1> VTS:<VTS_1>) " does not have a scene. (Dummy Cell)

repeated a lot of times.

Error "Cell: "VTS_11_Title_3_PGC_3_PG_1_1"PGC:<VTS_11_Title_3_PGC_3> (Title:<VTS_11_Title_3> VTS:<VTS_11>) " does not have a scene. (Dummy Cell)
Error PreCheck From DB failed.
Error DVD Video files could not be created

And a lot of import warnings:
Warning Referenced Data "VTS_11_039_t_scn_1" not found.
Info Restoring Link "VTS_11_039_t_scn_2_cell" to "VTS_11_039_t_scn_2"

[Master Yoda]

I would give it a try, but i only have cce 2.5

[Zeul]

@inf
my wife was pleased until all these errors

[influenza]

Probably my bad as I didn't use the latest version. Tell your wife I'm sorry :P

Running it again with the latest version

[RB]

Wow. Zeul, this is incredible. I think you're babbling about buttons and highlight when you're asleep now, right? :)

OK, tested it with "Die Another Day" PAL R2. First got bitten by a bug in DVD2AVIdg (actually, also older versions are affected). It would crash when processing VobId 9. I identified the bug and fixed it, download fixed version (http://home.t-online.de/home/340044300675/dvd2avirb.zip). See also here (http://neuron2.net/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=359).

Then everything basically went without a single glitch (I have some comments below, though). The generated script was imported by Scenarist 3.0 without errors or warnings. The scenario made my head spin :), absolutely amazing.

After compiling and testing in WinDVD, I got past the language selection menu which worked fine but the main menu did not. It looked OK but no active buttons. Basically I had to edit the script to remove two subpictures, set two other ones to "no Stop" and fix their duration as well as the duration of the highlight layer. I had to do this in two tracks (the English and German main menu track), import again, compile and it worked. Maybe pictures explain it better, I'm happy to send the scripts:

Before:
http://home.t-online.de/home/340044300675/numenu4u/menu_before.gif

After:
http://home.t-online.de/home/340044300675/numenu4u/menu_after.gif

The short (1 sec.) subs in the third scene made the highligh layer "jump back" into that scene (the start time of the highlight layer was correctly set to the start time of the last scene in the script). I removed these subs in the script and also removed the display stop from the subs in the last scene, extended their duration and the duration of the highlight layer (original 00:00:03;01) to the scene duration (00:00:51;15). That fixed it. Maybe you should have a sanity check in that a scene (cell) with highlight and buttons cannot have a sub with stop and that the sub/highlight duration must be equal to the scene duration. Also it looks like forced subs "inbetween highlights" confuse Scenarist.

The complete menu seemd to work fine, although I haven't tested with the reauthored movie yet. I don't think I need a separate script for this anymore, just replace the dummies, right?

About colors and contrast: almost like in the original, but button outlines looked a little "grainy" and not as smooth as in the original. It looks like you are trying to replicate the original palette in Scenarist. Maybe a better way is to leave the original palette in the IFO alone and simply specify the original color and contrast indexes in the .SST. See this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71986#post453866).

About CCE settings: I would suggest to not make use of the filters, they usually make the picture look worse. I would also suggest a setting for Quality Precision and GOP size. Another thing was that although I checked "Scanning Order: Alternate" in NuMenu4U, the ECLs were set up for ZigZag (alternate_scan=0). The DVD2AVI version posted above creates a log file with stream statistics (pretty much self explanatory IMHO) that you could examine to find the correct CCE settings and the correct setting for the interlaced parameter of ConvertToYUY2().

Some small bugs: although I cleared everything in AviSynth setup except for ConvertToYUY2 and AddAudio in "Footer", it still added the LoadPlugin for decomb.dll and FieldDeinterlace() to all AVS scripts. Also when you clear the "Mpeg2 Source Switches", it still adds a trailing comma after the D2V path to the Mpeg2Source() statement, causing a script error. "Pause for Script Verification" doesn't stick in the settings, it's reset with every program run.

What do you use for audio delay correction? I know BeSweet has issues, jsoto's open source delay corrector (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71545) works very well for me.

Keep up the good work!

[Zeul]

thanks for the valuable input, the scripts would be useful

see pm
Zeul

[RB]

You've got mail.

EDIT: You should upgrade the included EclCCE to v1.8b, it allows CCE to be run minimized (just run EclCCE.exe minimized).

[Zeul]

Updated version:

eroneous subs are not now imported
avs scripts correctly imported
deinterlace option now available
corrected chapter points with ntsc projects
corrected zigzag and alternate scan
pause for script now saved
added debug.dll (thanks to D3s7)
ecl upgraded to 1.8b
added option to minimize cce to system tray
corrected <0.4s scene errors in script

haven't been able to replicate the runtime errors so the new debug info will help.

Zeul

[hendrix]

i notice whenever i choose dvd2avidg the header still points to
MPEG2Dec3.dll vice mpeg2dec3dg.dll - is that a normal...ive been changing the scripts to point to mpeg2dec3dg.dll.

[influenza]

I think I'm suffering form a wrong integration with dif4u. My menu ended up no bit smaller than the original.

Don't know what happened cause I was sleeping ;) but I think that numenu runs and that dif4u just copies over the menu files anyway.

[RB]

OK, tried again with the new version. Now the problematic tracks look like this:

http://home.t-online.de/home/340044300675/numenu4u/menu_v2.gif

The subs in the last scene are still wrong, their length should be equal to the scene duration (no Stop), same for the highlight layer. I do have the buttons in this menu now, but they won't highlight anymore after some seconds, of course.

The issue with FieldDeinterlace() added to the AVS scripts no matter what is fixed. Alternate scan and pause for script verification is fixed too, but just noticed that "Copy Remaining Menu Files" setting isn't saved.

EDIT: during CCE encoding, my taskbar is locked at times (Windows XP). Clicking something in the taskbar/tray doesn't do anything, eventually things will pop up all of a sudden some time later.

Thanks!

[Trahald]

i redid a few menus with no probs.. with matrix 1 R1 im getting this

Number: 9
Description: Subscript out of range

EXE Name: NuMenu4U
EXE Path: C:\Program Files\NuMenu4U
EXE Version: Version 1.4.2

Call Stack (lowest level first)

CELL_ID::Item (line 5)


right at this point

Processing Subpicture SST Files...

if i dismiss the error dialogue it continues to cce encoding...

this is with the last version posted

[Atavarius]

Tested it out on Volume 1 Region 1 Berserk and i get this error:
Number: 13
Description: Type mismatch

EXE Name: NUMenu4U
EXE Path: C:\Program Files\NuMenu4U
EXE Version: Version 1.4.2

Call Stack (lowest level first)

Commands::Hex2Command (line 412)


log file:
4/7/2004 10:51:49 PM Defaultsettings
4/7/2004 10:51:49 PM vts_tree_parent= H:\VIDEO_TS
4/7/2004 10:51:49 PM vts_tree_child_undersize= VIDEO_TS.VOB - 0MBchk1
4/7/2004 10:51:49 PM vts_tree_child_oversize= VTS_01_0.VOB - 385MBchk2
4/7/2004 10:51:49 PM 2
4/7/2004 10:51:49 PM avisynth= 2.5.2.0
4/7/2004 10:52:00 PM outputfolder= D:\temp\1\DVDVolume
4/7/2004 10:52:02 PM total menus= 51
4/7/2004 10:52:02 PM lu's= 1
4/7/2004 10:52:03 PM VTS_01_0.VOB

If you need anything else just ask.

[Geddons]

Hello everybody,

I have used the Big3 with Numenu4U for some months and it has worked almost perfectly each time. But this time, I have got a problem that I can't solve :

I have just formatted my computer and I have also reinstalled the BIG3 (Difu + batchccews + reauthorist + numenu) but now, during the step called "judging field order", Numenu freezes each time, it stays blocked each time on this step on the same M2V file (off course, the file depends of which DVD is being authored).

In my processus windows list, fieldorder.exe is using my CPU at maximum but don't do anything else, I can let my computer during 3 hours "judging the field order" and it doesn't make anything else...

How can I fix that ?

Thank you in advance.



N.B : I have tested with Numenu4U and the scenarist edition, same problem.

[Zeul]

this is a known fieldorder.exe problem, occasionaly it just hangs. ending the process will allow numneu4u to carry on as normal

Zeul

[Geddons]

Originally posted by Zeul
this is a known fieldorder.exe problem, occasionaly it just hangs. ending the process will allow numneu4u to carry on as normal

Zeul

Ok, thank you for the tip, you meant to use the "stop button" in Numenu and then to repress it to carry on ?

[influenza]

I think Zeul meant kill the process in taskmanager ;)

[D3s7]

No he means open your tasklist and kill the fieldorder.exe process

[Geddons]

Ok thank you guys, I'll try it :) .

[Zeul]

updated version now released. many bug fixes. I am unable to replicate the runtime error that trahald had, so more debug code has been added to assist.

Zeul

[Trahald]

excellent.. i'll try it tomorrow

[jel]

hey zuel,
tested latest build on that problem dvd i discussed with you earlier (the 13, type mismatch error) and this time it processed without a hitch, and imported into scenarist.
however upon compiling it produced these errorsInfo
Info Creating DVD Files
Error Number of channels are different between VIDEO_TS_1_001(7) and VIDEO_TS_1_004_01(2).
Error LFE channel are different between VIDEO_TS_1_001 and VIDEO_TS_1_004_01.
Error Bit rate are different between "AC3 Audio "VIDEO_TS_1_001""(448000) and "VIDEO_TS_1_004_01"(224000).
Error The Audio Attribute(Language, coding mode and so on) in PGC "VIDEO_TS_English_PGC_4":Language "English"
is different from The Reference PGC<VIDEO_TS_English_PGC_1>
Error Number of channels are different between VIDEO_TS_1_001(7) and VIDEO_TS_1_015_01(2).
Error LFE channel are different between VIDEO_TS_1_001 and VIDEO_TS_1_015_01.
Error Bit rate are different between "AC3 Audio "VIDEO_TS_1_001""(448000) and "VIDEO_TS_1_015_01"(224000).
Error The Audio Attribute(Language, coding mode and so on) in PGC "VIDEO_TS_English_PGC_15":Language "English"
is different from The Reference PGC<VIDEO_TS_English_PGC_1>
Error PreCheck From DB failed
Error DVD files could not be created
hope that helps
j

[Ripe73]

hi!

i have a problem with NuMenu4u(or maybe 2 :)),the only thing NuMenu4u do is Demuxing with dvd decrypter (pass1)..then nothing more:(...

I use CCE 2.66
Avisynth 2.5.4.0
Win XP SP1 (Swedish)

[D3s7]

Originally posted by Ripe73
hi!

i have a problem with NuMenu4u(or maybe 2 :)),the only thing NuMenu4u do is Demuxing with dvd decrypter (pass1)..then nothing more:(...

I use CCE 2.66
Avisynth 2.5.4.0
Win XP SP1 (Swedish)

Another individual had this problem

Make sure you don't have DVDDecrypter set to "Eject" after demux - If you do, it will unmount your image

[Ripe73]

Make sure you don't have DVDDecrypter set to "Eject" after demux - If you do, it will unmount your image

Everything is default on dvddecrypter and the movie i will backup is still mounted in Daemon...

[Master Yoda]

Just wondering if when this has its problems ironed out, will it be able to work with cce 2.5

[matus2003]

Hello Zeul, great soft. I'd like to report some bugs. Tested on Lawrence of Arabia R2 PAL, menu in ENG, ESP, GER, only ENG choosed to keep. All went OK, demuxing, subs, encoding, until reautoring in Scenarist. All I have is data imported into Scenarist, nothing more - no tracks, no scenario.

This was on the end of ScenaristScript_1._ImportLog.txt
........
Info Importing VTS_2_1_001
Info Importing VTS_1_
Error Class(Sub-Picture) Tag(Data End Time, 7203) failed to paste
Error Class(Display Start) Tag(Start Time To Video, -255839543) failed to paste
Error Class(Display Start) Tag(Start Time, 7202) failed to paste
Error Class(Display Start) Tag(Duration, 7203) failed to paste
Error Data file() does not exist in VTS_1_
Error Importing failed

I can send the .scp file if it will help.

[Zeul]

@matus2003 definately need that script.

@Ripe73 i have had this once myself. it seems that occasionaly dvddecrypter does not seem to close properly, so the process is still running. if the process is running (may not be visible) numenu4u will not continue. i am in the process of changing the detection method for when dvddecrypter has finished, that may help

@jel i also need that script too. you are not the first to be experiencing audio problems. i don't know whether the attributes detection is wrong (i very much doubt this, D3s7 has put a lot of work into this detection), demuxing the audio by dvd2avi is flawed, or the audio processing (was the bitrate changed, was a delay corrected etc)

@Master Yoda - will not work with cce 2.5 - the reason nearly every menu i have processed is 4:3 pan-scan. if encoded as 4:3 scenarist won't let you have wide and pan-scan subs, so the buttons would be thrown off on a widescreen tv. only cce 2.6 and above allow for pan-scan flags to be set. i don't know if there is a GPL program out there that could add the pan-scan flags afterwards. if there is let me know.

[Master Yoda]

OK, i'll have to get hold of cce 2.6

Does anyone know if having both cce 2.6 and 2.5 on the pc conflicked with each other

[Trahald]

many people have 2.50 2.66 and 2.67 installed on their pc.. since it uses the same filename, using a different install folder is probably a good idea

[Trahald]

ok tried matrix again.. got run time error 13 'type mismatch' this time.. at the same point. was it supposed to give more information?

[Akira_ru]

How to import menu using Menu4U from DVD to Scenarist without recompression?

[D3s7]

Originally posted by Akira_ru
How to import menu using Menu4U from DVD to Scenarist without recompression?

Why would you wanna do that? if your not going to re-encode/rejig it, why use numenu on it? :)

[Master Yoda]

OK, im about to give the new one a bash, but under the encoder tab theres a couple of things im not sure of....

Whats matricies?
Whats the quality settings ??
Whats the easy difficult slider ??
Ans whats the max bitrate set at ??
Do i need to close gops and i dont as thats only for multiangle, i didnt think theres a multiangle menu.

Im also guessing that this new one auto detects and deletes fakes.

[Akira_ru]

Originally posted by D3s7
Why would you wanna do that? if your not going to re-encode/rejig it, why use numenu on it? :)

I'm translating part of the menu to my language and don't want to reencode it.
I did not find any other program to import full menu to Scenarist.

[Zeul]

interesting idea, i will look at adding that feature, straight script creation, no recompression

Zeul

[Akira_ru]

Originally posted by Zeul
interesting idea, i will look at adding that feature, straight script creation, no recompression

Zeul

Yes! Yes! That be great!

[Trahald]

As a temporary workaround.. since it appears the origional M2V's are in the demuxed directory.. you should be able to go to the data editor click on each video file and browse to the origional m2v and select it

[Master Yoda]

I have a problem, but its not the program.After starting i see it use's dvd decrypter, im guessing its demuxing by vob id in which case a menu i do will be out of sync, why... im using version 3.1.9.0, why.... because version 3.2.1.0 gives me big time burning problems... So i guess im gonna have to wait to give this version of numenu a try.

[Zeul]

Master Yoda
the audio is decrypted with dvd2avi not dvddecrypter because at the moment when decrypting by file mode - which must be done for menus - no audio delay is included in the filename. so dvd2avi is used instead. you should have no synch errors

[Master Yoda]

Oh i see, nice one.

[Trahald]

Originally posted by Zeul
Master Yoda
the audio is decrypted with dvd2avi not dvddecrypter because at the moment when decrypting by file mode - which must be done for menus - no audio delay is included in the filename. so dvd2avi is used instead. you should have no synch errors

The current release of DvdDecrypter does demux audio with the delay in the name, as yoda was probably eluding to. but dvd2avi does a fine job and fortunately makes it backward compatible.