Quick pull down question [Now more of a Scenarist issue...]

[dazzle]

I'm doing a Superbit Ntsc movie, where the movie is splitted on two discs.
I did disc 1, which was progressive and pull down was checked. I tried the disc in my standalone and it works perfectly.

But now I'm about to do disc 2, and it says that I don´t need pull down (file name is xxxx.AVS.NOPULL).
So what should I do?

Should I leave the pull down box unchecked, or should I ignore it and choose pull down any way...?

[Trahald]

that happens occasionally. dif4u picks the best method for that length of the movie. it apparently is detecting lots of pure video in it. (nothing is written that the studio must do the entire movie in the same way)

the 1 time i overrode dif4u's decision i ended up screwing up my backup (who knew there was a large section that was pure interlace in the middle of 2 and 1/2 hours of FILM . so since then ive trusted its decisions and it hasnt steered me wrong.

[dazzle]

Thanks for your reply Trahald.
I encoded the second disc over night, and am running Scenarist right now. I left everything "untouched"; that is the settings that was choosen for me.

It didn't check pulldown, but it did check progressive. The file was named I-BFF though...I chose Auto Detect Ntsc Type in DIF4U.

Hope I don't have to re-encode it again :)

[dazzle]

Hmm...seems like disc 2 got screwed in Scenarist :(

Info Multiplexing
Info Multiplexing VOB Main Stream
Error Size of Vob file "F:\XXX_XX_D2\mux_data\\dasb2.scn-VTS_01_PGC_01_t.vob" mismatch. Please contact technical support.
Error MuxFromDB:MuxVTS failed
Error Multiplex failed
Error DVD files could not be created


Could this be because of wrong encode settings, or is it something else?

[dazzle]

Found this, originally posted by matzed
I found the solution on the Sonic support page :

Title
Size of Vob file Mismatch - please contact technical support

Description
Scenarist Authoring

Symptom
When multiplexing, an error message appears:

Error Size of Vob file mismatch. Please contact technical support.

Solution
This can be caused by a number of issues. Most common are read prroblems from hard disks or write problems to hard disks. Defragment your hard drives thoroughly.

If the problem persists move the source assets to a different drive and select a different target directory.

In some cases rebuilding the track in question helps as well.

Rarely it can be caused by a corrupt audio stream which will need to be reencoded.

I defragmented my destination disk, and every is fine now ! Maybe this should be on a FAQ about Scenarist

I'll start there...

[Trahald]

hrmm.. are you sure you didnt touch anything? for NTSC its a no-brainer. I-BFF shouldnt ever be in the filename (you didnt mention this in your first post) when you have 'auto detect ntsc frame type' on.

if scenarist had a problem with your encoding settings it would have told you when you imported the script and would have told you specifically what its issue was.

[dazzle]

No I didn't "touch anything"...:D

I did like I usually do, and the same as with disc 1.
The file name is: VTS__01_P01.I-BFF.16~9_1.NOPULL.mpv

And I think it's very strange, since disc 1 was Progressive and needed pull down...

BUT: I know this film has some elements (over 1 hour) that was originally in a tv-serie. So maybe disc 2 hold both progressive and interlaced material..?

When I check the original vobs in dvd2avi it shows:
Progressive (but the video is clearly Interlaced) and framerate 29.97.

Oh and btw, I use CCE 2.50 and reverse file names in DIF4U. So BFF means it's TFF in the original...

[Trahald]

well.. as i said earlier.. doesnt suprise me that one disk would use one method and the other disk another. tv shows are often hybrid. (csi is hybrid , usually the sky shots of LV are pure video.. the main show is film.. and that not even bringing up the computer graphics).. if in the first 1/2 the amount of pure video is acceptably low enough, force film will be used.. if it detects ivtc is needed, then ivtc will be used (both would require pull down) for hybrid material, a comprehensive deinterlace is done (using decombs built in 'moslty video' handler which will deinterlace the video parts and make the film parts also 29.97 fps but in a way that they wont look so bad.) ive done tons of titles (pure video, hybrid, film, ivtc) and have never had dif4u get one wrong.

anywho.. so thats why it didnt surprise me that no pull was used.. BUT have no clue why i-bff is in the file name.. that would indicate 'auto detect ntsc frame type' was off. (autodetect ntsc type only outputs progressive to CCE so frame type isnt needed) as long as your output was legal (29.97 fps) its fine for dvd.. so..

did you get that error sorted?
if not... did you try to reimport your scenaid/reathorist script? does it bring up an error on import? do you have enough free space on your destination hard drive.. did you defrag as your paste suggested. that error doesnt seem to indicate a problem with the video.

[dazzle]

Thanks again Trahald!
I have also enabled the option "Frame Diagnosis", if that make any difference...?

Defragmentation was just finished. I'm gonna reboot and try Scenarist again.

[dazzle]

No, that didn't work...I got the same error message as before :(
I'm gonna try to start over again with DIF4U, this time I'll disable the "Frame Diagnosis" option.

Maybe something different will come out this time...:D

[dazzle]

Yepp.
This time it came out:
VTS__01_P01.16~9_1.nopull.AVS

So I guess something went wrong the first time around.
Only progressive should be checked I suppose (since I'm pretty sure it's TFF in the original).

Hope it's going better this time around :D

[Eyes`Only]

the I means the original was interlaced. You chose to deinterlace though, so DoCCE4U is correct in using 'progressive' (the setting to use is the one of the OUTPUT video, not what is being input).

[dazzle]

Eeeh...ok...it was pretty early in the morning...and I'm not a morning person...so be gentle with me, regarding this last post...;)

[dazzle]

WTF..?
I got the same Scenarist error this time around as well...:(

Info Multiplexing
Info Multiplexing VOB Main Stream
Error Size of Vob file "F:\MOVIE_TITLE\mux_data\\movititle.scn-VTS_01_PGC_01_t.vob" mismatch. Please contact technical support.
Error MuxFromDB:MuxVTS failed
Error Multiplex failed
Error DVD files could not be created

I did get some error messages when I imported, not sure how serious they are though...but it said "ok" as usual, when finished.

Warning Sub-Picture (stream 7 in Track "VTS_01_PGC_01") is across scene boundary at 00:42:38:20
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 7 in Track "VTS_01_PGC_01") is across scene boundary at 00:49:33:01

What is happening?

[dazzle]

Aaah, I'm about to give up...:(

I tried to defragment, switch discs, and a program called ac3fix (the audio was ok) but that didn't help.
I'm not a Scenarist wizard, but one thing I find strange is:

In Data Editor the video length is 1:41:04:02.
The DD 5.1-track is 1:41:00:24
The DTS-track is 1:41:01:04

Shouldn't the audio be the same?

Does anybody have any clue to what's going on???

[Eyes`Only]

Try importing your video manually into Scenarist and building the project... if that works then it's the script.

[dazzle]

Thanks, I'll try that.
How exactly do you import and build a project?

As I said, I'm not that familiar with Scenarist.

[Eyes`Only]

Try trilight's guides: http://dvdguides.trilight.net

[dazzle]

Thanks for the tip, but I'm gonna try to encode it once again today.
If that doesn't help, I'll check the guide...cross my fingers :)

[Trahald]

after you reencode.. before you import everything into scenarist, it wouldnt be a bad idea to delete all the .vif files that may be left over previously from scenarist in your work dir. also kill any data in your mux_data dir

oh. and.. yes.. i lead such a sheltered life (read.. i deinterlace everything) that i wasnt aware that you could do frame diagnosis even when detect ntsc settings was on. so the flags can be in the filename (i-bff i-tff p) from now on i am going to keep my interlaced source interlaced in honor of this and mainly because.. in the words of the Fmalibu-- 'if you deinterlace you will make God cry!' ;)

[dazzle]

Thanks for your kind support Trahald!
Now I don't feel as alone in Trouble Land as before :D

I'm gonna start from scratch, so no old left overs here :)

If I wanna keep the interlaced source interlaced, what shall I do?
Is it the same procedure as with PAL-sources (I do both), or is there something else I should keep in mind?

Should I still press Auto Detect Ntsc?
And I guess it's only good to keep interlaced, if the whole movie is interlaced...right?
If the movie contains both interlace AND progressive, it must still be better to do it the "usual" way I guess...or?

[Trahald]

well.. for now id recoment doing deinterlace to keep potential problems to a minimum. when your comfortable with that.. then maybe move to keeping interlace. jel's bov guide goes into it a little bit for a pal source. basically the same for pure ntsc video..

good luck

[dazzle]

Yes, but PAL sources I do interlaced all the time. That's kind of why I'm asking if the same procedure is possible for NTSC.
:)

Ah, sorry now I saw that you said it's basically the same as PAL. I always get kind of scared with the all the options for ntsc (that we don't havefor PAL)...that's why I'm unsure :)

[dazzle]

Tried to encode the movie again from scratch, but I still get the same error message in Scenarist :(

Info Multiplexing
Info Multiplexing VOB Main Stream
Error Size of Vob file "F:\MOVIE_TITLE\mux_data\\movititle.scn-VTS_01_PGC_01_t.vob" mismatch. Please contact technical support.
Error MuxFromDB:MuxVTS failed
Error Multiplex failed
Error DVD files could not be created

I have no idea what could be wrong, but it seem strange that the two audio tracks (dd 5.1 and DTS) have different length this time as well.

Tried a little bit to do it manually in Scenarist, but unfortunatly I suck so it didn't do much good. :(

[Trahald]

i just got that error message today myself, although i had been experimenting with the filenames before i made and imported my script, so i dunno if that was the issue, any ways to fix it.. i just manually reimported that video assett and relayed the audios / etc and relayed the new track in the scenario editor replacing the old one.. that worked fine

[dazzle]

As I said, I'm not that good with Scenarist :(

1. To reimport the video: do you first delete the old one, and then "add data"? In which editor should I do this?

2. Relay the audio? Do you mean reimport this as well, as with the video?

3. "Relay the new track in the scenario editor replacing the old one". By this you mean drag and drop (from track->scenario)?

[Trahald]

1. no.. no deleting. just drag your encoded video file from file explorer directly into the data editor. the take that and drag it from the data editor to the track editor

2. right. double click on the what you just dragged to the track editor which will open up the full track view. drag the audio(s) from file explorer to the track. you can use the other (bad) version of the track to help you figure out what audio track goes where. also reimport your subtitles if any (for subs you use the import subtitle option in the menu and point it to the .sst file for that vts/pgc in the 'sub' directory) also put in your scene times. (*i'll sorta point you to how later)

3. right. while in the scenario editor. you set the lower right box to view all your tracks. (specifically the one you just made) hit the + mark next to your new track so you can see your scenes (cells). kill the bad version of the track from the scenario and relay your fixed one in in the same manor (look at the ifo for guidance if needed)

* I didnt go into full details cause its too much to type. plus makes more sense with pictures. for details refer to the old big 2 guides.. meaning the 2 guides directly above the big 3 guide here -- Guides -> Dvd/minidvd -> dvd backup page..

also the scenarist guide in the guides -> dvd/minidvd -> dvd authoring section is good too

eyes onlys nemo guide also is good (use the non-adjust-cell-mode way toward the bottom half)

[dazzle]

Thanks a lot Trahald!
I will try this adventurous project now...:)