30 minutes to write a dvd-r at 4x. why?

[rudeboymcc]

hi. i am new to all this dvd burner stuff but i've already written 25 dvd disks and i don't remember this problem. difference with this one is the others were dvd-video.

now i'm writing dvd-iso to back up my mp3s.

everything burns ok, no error messages, but it takes 30 minutes!

the remaining time thing says 14 from the start which is what one would expect, but when that gets to 0 it carries on going still at 50%.

there is no problem with the disk that comes out and it works in a standalone as well.

one thing i noticed though is that the buffer level at the bottom is very flashy. for every single song it goes up to 99 and then back down to 25%. i'm not doing anything else while it's burning and the writer is on a different ide to the hard disk the mp3's are on.

system:

amd800 with win xp pro sp1
nero 6.0.0.0.
Pioneer 106D

anyone have this problem and have any suggestions?

[LIGHTNING UK!]

Sounds like a DMA issue.

Delete your ide controller from within Device Manager and reboot.

[rudeboymcc]

delete the ide controller? is it safe to do that while the computer is running because windows needs both hard disks and if i delete the controller surely something will go wrong?

i've tried deleting the dma controller to no avail and i've tried switching from secondary to primary master.

[rudeboymcc]

k i deleted all the ide controllers and restarted twice and i still get the same thing.

it says it's writing at 4X so i'm guessing it's not any settings in nero or could it be?

could it have something to do with the fact that all the data is split over loads of files?

[padre]

Well, you could always create an ISO file image and burn that (to try to remove the possibility its the # of files that's bogging it down).

[rudeboymcc]

good point i'll try that today. thanks!

[Wolfman]

Have you got data verification turned on? This will cause it to burn then verify the burned data. This will take exactly twice as long. Not a bad idea if its critical data but not necesaary for mp3s.

[FINDKID]

Originally posted by rudeboymcc
hi. i am new to all this dvd burner stuff but i've already written 25 dvd disks and i don't remember this problem. difference with this one is the others were dvd-video.

now i'm writing dvd-iso to back up my mp3s.

everything burns ok, no error messages, but it takes 30 minutes!

the remaining time thing says 14 from the start which is what one would expect, but when that gets to 0 it carries on going still at 50%.

there is no problem with the disk that comes out and it works in a standalone as well.

one thing i noticed though is that the buffer level at the bottom is very flashy. for every single song it goes up to 99 and then back down to 25%. i'm not doing anything else while it's burning and the writer is on a different ide to the hard disk the mp3's are on.

system:

amd800 with win xp pro sp1
nero 6.0.0.0.
Pioneer 106D

anyone have this problem and have any suggestions?

You have to defragment your HD.
Or You can move what You want to burn to another one HD,
there is nothing on it before You moved.

You burned dvd-video fine because it is only a image file.
But when You burn mp3s,they are not put together on your HD.

Sorry,my english is very poor.

[Kika]

Maybe it is a problem with the Type of the DVD-R. My Sony-Burner for example don't like Princo 4x DVD-R. If i try to burn such a DVD-R, the Application says 4x, but the true burning speed is 2x.

[FINDKID]

Originally posted by Kika
Maybe it is a problem with the Type of the DVD-R. My Sony-Burner for example don't like Princo 4x DVD-R. If i try to burn such a DVD-R, the Application says 4x, but the true burning speed is 2x.
Yes.
If You mean nero,
You can let it show the true burning speed by modify registry.

[Kika]

It happens also with the burning Engine of Ulead DVD PowerTools, not only with Nero. And it happens only with Princo DVD-R.
Since i'm using Verbatim or Ritek DVD-R, i never had any problem.

[rudeboymcc]

well i've found a very wierd solution. i put the dvd writer as primary master instead of primary slave and now everything works fine. even the mp3s write in 15 minutes.

any one can explain this for me?

[Wolfman]

bad cable, or bad connection or two drives set as ?CableSelect originally

[rudeboymcc]

bad cable it isnt becuase i've tried changing it and both devices are working fine now.


interesting you mention cable select. they are both set to that. what's wrong wtih that? i thought the whole point of cable selct was that you put everything on it and don't have to worry about chnaging it ever again?

[Wolfman]

AFAIK some drives just dont like being a slave, they will only work if you make them the master. Try setting the drive jumpers.

[rudeboymcc]

well it's working fine now with the writer as master and the hard disk as slave, both are set to cable select.

[theReal]

i thought the whole point of cable selct was that you put everything on it and don't have to worry about chnaging it ever again?

That should be the way it works...
What I heard is that you better NEVER set a drive to cable select because it only causes problems. Make one master one slave and you're done.

btw. some burners just don't like being slave

[Raster]

I have read in several CD/DVD burner manuals that reccomended setting is the burner set as master with cable select off and should only be changed if you have a good reason. The burners I have came shipped that way. If you have 2 burners set both as master and place one on the Primary Channel and the other on the Secondary Channel. And, of course; don't forget to set your hard drives as slaves.

After installing a new burner, sometimes for no apparent reason it will change from DMA to PIO mode. This also happened when I updated the burner's firmware.

Make sure that in the Advanced settings for the IDE Channel Properties you have Transfer mode set to "DMA if available" and the current transfer mode is DMA. If it is not, change it and reboot or scan for hardware changes. If it still does not change to DMA uninstall the IDE Channel and reboot/scan for hardware changes.

[theReal]

And, of course; don't forget to set your hard drives as slaves.

It's also not good to put HD's and optical drives on one cable. HD's usually have higher DMA levels than the optical drives and so the HD transfer rate will suffer if the DMA level is set according to the optical drive.

That's why I will only buy boards with at least two extra IDE channels - I have three HD's and one DVD burner and each device is a single master :)


btw. my board has a BIOS setting "allow DMA for CDROM drives" which is disabled by default.

[Raster]

Originally posted by theReal
It's also not good to put HD's and optical drives on one cable. HD's usually have higher DMA levels than the optical drives and so the HD transfer rate will suffer if the DMA level is set according to the optical drive.



That use to be an issue with older motherboards that did not support independent timing for each device. Most newer board do not have this problem.

Here is a one helpful link to more information: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/conf_Performance.htm

(edit)
You are correct if the burner connects using ATAPI.