Is this forum for discussion or must we do it one persons way (only)

[zamarky1]

HI

Why thankyou Mr Bass .

My post was an honest "what do you think about the bells and whistles " type question in each given latest releases. Then you stomped on it and closed it ?

Is this forum not for open discussion ? or must we only say things the way certain people want it said ? Hmm that sounds almost like a dictatorship..............

Dont get me wrong i dont want to get into any sort of flame war or anything. I mind my business here, dont stick my nose in , dont pretend to be any type of so called expert and pipe in with things i know little about and mostly sit on the sidelines just watching and listening. I spend a lot of time here and on a rare occassion i want to ask a question you close me down. Bit by bit i am getting deeper and deeper into this encoding thing and value what a lot of people here have to say . I am learning and now use various programs to do more and more things. So all thats fine and the way it should be. Is that not what this place is all about ? Well then Great, i'm glad as this place is a great resource. Except when you post a question and its not allowed to be discussed. Sorry but i'm a bit confused on this. It was not a "what is the best...." re-read it. I was asking those that know what their take on each is at its current stage of development...ie how do you feel they compare viz a viz compression artifacts with different types of footage, time taken to encode , where you think the feature set is at etc etc. Not in those words , but that was the gist of it.

So anyway you'll probaly close this one too. Maybe your too deeply entrenched on one side of the line and dont want discussion about"other" ways to get the job done. Yes i respect your the mod and you have the say on the discussion here but if your not allowed to speak unless it suits the mod's point of view whats the point of even coming in here.......I mean go back and look at what i said and how you replied. Not even a polite pointer as to why you decided its not fit for discussion in your reply. Gee most other boards i go to , if you transgress a forum rule a mod will ususally politely point this out , not just give a very curt "CLOSED" response......Your a mod , ---- thats a lot of rsponseability and not a job i'd like to take on but YOU HAVE taken it on, so why the abruptness in closing the thread like that ?

The question is still open however. I'd really like to hear others opinions on each and how they think one does one thing better/worse then the other......thats not a "whats best" question. Yes i WILL use what works for me , but i want to know as much as possible about both and how others get better milage out of each....

Other forums discuss this openly , just not here.:(

END RANT

Have a nice day

[mrbass]

your right...it's one person's way. Doom9's way or the highway. Now don't feel bad in the 5 years or so I've been on doom9 I've seen way too many (which one is best and turn into flame wars). Yes I've been as guilty doing it as anyone. Anyway if you want doom9 to close this thread too go right ahead but it's just the same old rehash. No hard feelings.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?&threadid=66654

edit: ok maybe your right and I'm wrong "The monster rears it's ugly head again" I kinda took that as a DVDShrink vs. CloneDVD. I'll unlock the thread and see how it goes. Guess I gotta take more time reading this.

[dragongodz]

mrbass - actually i side with your initial response on this one. lets deconstruct the other post a little shall we ?

"Given the new version of clone dvd is out , and shrink is at 3.1.7b5.......
Which one ?"
thats asking which is best. it does not ask about features etc in any way shape or form.

"Do we want the best reproduction from whatever tool that gives us that or are we stuck with blinkers on and refuse to shift camps if there is a valid reason to do so ( from both sides of the fence)"
an interesting question and probably worthy of a post by itself. it is not the main focus of that post though.

"I like them both, but if i am honest i like shrink better as it gives me more options to play around , but thats my nature and this is my hobby , so you can see where i sit on all this , but i wonder which tool is producing the bacon with the new releases....."
ok you say shrink gives more options but thats as far as that goes. you do not compare options or ask peoples opinions on different options. then finish with another wondering "which is best" line.

so you can claim that other thread was a "what do you think about the bells and whistles" thread but it at no time asks that question. as such mrbass had every right to close it.

finally you throw around in this thread the "this is a dictatorship" type statement as if forums elsewhere are not. they are and for good reason. if you cant live with the rules of a forum then dont go there, its as simple as that.

[Pyscrow]

Originally posted by zamarky1


Is this forum not for open discussion ?


No not really - they are quite phobic about some things.


Originally posted by zamarky1

or must we only say things the way certain people want it said ?


Only those things they are Phobic about!


Originally posted by zamarky1

Hmm that sounds almost like a dictatorship..............


Yes, it is - but thats life! If ya want to play in some elses backyard you have to follow their rules.


Mr Bass though is a pretty good Mod, (unlike some others). He seems to have given you a fair hearing, and reconsidered his position. Other Mods would have got their back up at your last post, and dug their heels in!

[zamarky1]

Hi

all points taken on board. I will costruct my questions far far more carefully in future .

As i said i did't post it as a"what is best question". Yes i mention the words best several times but not in that vain. The english languge has so many nuances., Perhaps i should have been very direct and asked exactly about the third menu along that drops down a dialog box that needs the second option ticked........however that was not the nature of what i was discussing.I was simply using a broad brush to cover as much area as possible to start some conversation i am deeply (obsessed ?)interested in. I am just interested in what some of you guys think about the recent developments about two major players on the scene because i do realise how qualified a lot of the members here are to comment on such things. Especially MR Bass.

I hve zero intent to start arguments or cause problems here. why on earth someone would do that beats me although i have seen some posts get quite out of hand.

Yes i do realise its someones backyard i just did't realise how stern and serious its all taken here.

So anyway thats that. Thanks to Mr Bass for considering my reply and to the others who offered thier opinions.

I DO spend an ernormus amount of time here in the shadows reading and following along...its all most like i know some of you these days as you are my regular reading partners. I just wanted to talk with some of you about what i am thinking about which is shrink and clone and where they are heading and the speed its all of a sudden accelerated too. I try not to post frivoless questions wasting eveyones time hence the broad approach that i thought should cover it all in one go.

Anyway lesson learnt, been scolded, raised my protest , the protest was fairly heard ( not just because it went my way, but because it was fairly dealt with in an open way)other memebers voiced their opinions and i have more forum etiquitte experience. So thats that ...i hope

Thankyou

Regards

Mark

[dragongodz]

just to make it clear, my deconstruction of your post was to show why it can be percieved as a "whats best" post and not to have a go at you.

yes saying exactly what you mean or want to know, even if it can sound blunt, is generally a better idea. that way people should not confuse what you want to know.

not everything is taken that serious here but if someone asks what appears to be a serious question then that is how it is treated. people generally can get offended if people make light of something they really wanted to know.

Psycrow - dont start. of course things that could get the board in trouble or closed(such as piracy) or things that can start flame wars and have nothing to do with this boards subjects(such as politics and religion) or even questions that get asked a million times annoying the crap out of long time members and have been answered already are taboo. if you dont understand those reasons then start a forum yourself and see what happens when left to run wild. :sly:

[DDogg]

zamarky1, if all the threads showed this level of maturity we would not need, or have, near as many of the dreaded rules as do exist. You and mrbass set a positive example of how two gentlemen can work though disagreement. Kudos.

Unfortunately some of our forum members will start insulting each other heredity, mothers, dogs, cats and goldfish at the slightest perceived insult or disagreement :) BTW, this behavior nearly always happened in a "what is best" thread. Thus, some form of 'environmental control' became absolutely necessary in order to keep the forum experience positive for the majority of the users.

I think all consider it a necessary evil that we wish was not needed, but sadly it is. So, we live with it and avoid a lot of the chaos that exists on more uncontrolled forums - and by and large, it works out more times than not. Most things in life end up having to be a compromise because none of us is perfect - Members or Mods [or forum rules for that matter].